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You tip ANYONE that touches your food or drinks over here...

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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Tipping at the bar for your booze really, really won't occur to most Brits unless it's explained to them.

I was warned immediately by my wife on visiting and had already learned that lesson on visiting Austria previously, but it's not done in the UK.


I'm a fairly generous tipper here, especially after learning that many jobs, especially bar and waiting tables, pay below the (already feeble) US minimum wage, because the amount is tallied up to include projected tips. Unless the service is crap, obviously.




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Being that they don't know they should be tipping, it's difficult as most of the doctors would (should) be embarrassed that they haven't been. Then again, walking up to them and saying 'hey, you should give me a tip' won't go down well at all.

If there is an american with their party, perhaps taking them aside and saying 'I don't think the Brits have tipping for bar staff over there, they don't know we do'. Or something like that, might work.

Yeah, that's why I wondered if it was a cultural issue. Jebus knows I've been abroad and not known the local customs and done something that a local wouldn't do and been blissfully unaware of it. Tipping really is one of those things where, unless you absolutely know the local rules, you're pretty much just fumbling around in the dark.

The little lady's just livid because, like most bartenders, the overwhelming majority of her income comes from tips. These guys - all of them stone-cold nice and otherwise great, according to her - have been monopolizing the place, so she's essentially making $4.25 an hour or whatever it is she officially gets paid.

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I guess the rule is always 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do'. If tipping is common over there, then that should be respected, especially if it's anticipated as part of the wage structure.

It's tricky though, how do you go up to someone and say, 'hey, you should be tipping me for my service' without sounding rude, and thus lessening your chances of getting a tip? I would never do that, but then, I'm a Brit - 'Keep Calm and Carry On' and all that! I think the best solution is to get someone like the manager to discretely mention it to them, like:

'Hi guys! Firstly, thanks for coming to our establishment - we really appreciate your custom, and we hope you've enjoyed your stay in the US so far. That said, I couldn't help but notice that you haven't been tipping your waitress. Now, that's entirely up to you of course, but I should point out that waiting staff here typically get paid a lower wage based on the idea that their earnings are supplemented by gratuities, so it's generally accepted that most people tip waiting staff for that reason. No big deal, but I'm sure it be appreciated by the staff. Thanks.'

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


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 Albatross wrote:
I guess the rule is always 'When in Rome, do as the Romans do'. If tipping is common over there, then that should be respected, especially if it's anticipated as part of the wage structure.

It's tricky though, how do you go up to someone and say, 'hey, you should be tipping me for my service' without sounding rude, and thus lessening your chances of getting a tip? I would never do that, but then, I'm a Brit - 'Keep Calm and Carry On' and all that! I think the best solution is to get someone like the manager to discretely mention it to them, like:

'Hi guys! Firstly, thanks for coming to our establishment - we really appreciate your custom, and we hope you've enjoyed your stay in the US so far. That said, I couldn't help but notice that you haven't been tipping your waitress. Now, that's entirely up to you of course, but I should point out that waiting staff here typically get paid a lower wage based on the idea that their earnings are supplemented by gratuities, so it's generally accepted that most people tip waiting staff for that reason. No big deal, but I'm sure it be appreciated by the staff. Thanks.'

That's probably the way to do it, and much better than my plan of going in tonight to sit down and act like a casual bar patron and, if they happened to show up, mention to them that the female bartenders are notorious for going home with you if you tip them big.
   
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 Albatross wrote:

Nashville, TN in my case.


Apparently my bad joke was bad.

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 kronk wrote:
You tip ANYONE that touches your food or drinks over here...
Except fast food or takeout. If you go to pick it up/buy it from a counter, tipping is not expected. If you sit down and there's a waiter, or if the food is delivered, you tip. 15% min, though I usually default to 20%, rounding up or down a little to make a round number on the bill.

And you always tip the bartender. I usually default to a dollar per drink, but more than that's expected if it's a nice/pricy place.

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Jeez, and people think WE live by a system of incomprehensible social etiquette!

Why would you tip more in a posher place? I would be more likely to tip more in the less posh places, because the waiting staff would presumably earn less, right?

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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 Albatross wrote:
Jeez, and people think WE live by a system of incomprehensible social etiquette!


If you go to really posh places its expected that you will tip based on drink complexity.

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 dogma wrote:
 Albatross wrote:
Jeez, and people think WE live by a system of incomprehensible social etiquette!


If you go to really posh places its expected that you will tip based on drink complexity.

Um, I don't drink cocktails. I'm straight.


 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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 dogma wrote:
 Albatross wrote:
Jeez, and people think WE live by a system of incomprehensible social etiquette!


If you go to really posh places its expected that you will tip based on drink complexity.

Yeah.

Don't get overly worried about tipping though, Albatross. I work with a guy who religiously tips 10%, to the point where he'll put down 70 cents on a $7.00 tab. He hasn't gotten shot yet.
   
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A quid per drink? Tipping madness... that's good drinking money going to waste!

   
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 Medium of Death wrote:
A quid per drink? Tipping madness... that's good drinking money going to waste!

You're forgetting the exchange rate. One British pound is currently worth, what, seven or eight hundred dollars? All I know is London was fething expensive last time I was there.
   
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 Seaward wrote:
I work with a guy who religiously tips 10%, to the point where he'll put down 70 cents on a $7.00 tab. He hasn't gotten shot yet.


I imagine his drink service is very slow.

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Most places you tip based on the service.... if they refill the drinks in a timely fashion, bring all the food at the same time, ask about desserts, clear away the empties quickly... then big tip. If they are slow or the food is cold.. small tip.... if they are rude and such, no tip or pocket change.
Bar rules are different depending if you run a tab or not. This is what I do..... Running a tab you tip when you settle, usually a $20 bump. If you are paying by the drink, an extra dollar or the coinage depending on the drink, shots and beers get change, mixed get the buck. As I rarely have only one drink.....it evens out.

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 dogma wrote:
I imagine his drink service is very slow.

It's not when he's with me because, as I date a bartender, I'm obliged to tip 50%. According to her, anyway.

He's a weird dude though, that's for sure. But I look much more suave and debonair when standing next to him, so he has his uses.
   
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 Seaward wrote:
But I look much more suave and debonair when standing next to him, so he has his uses.


That's a truism in every country. Always have 1 ugly friend. Always stand next to him around chicks.

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 Albatross wrote:
Jeez, and people think WE live by a system of incomprehensible social etiquette!

Why would you tip more in a posher place? I would be more likely to tip more in the less posh places, because the waiting staff would presumably earn less, right?

Because in a posher place the drinks are more expensive, so that dollar becomes a much smaller percentage.

If you're having more than one drink in a bar, it's also a good habit to tip $5 or $10 on the first round (or more in a fancypants joint), just to get the bartender's attention and encourage faster service and stronger drinks for the evening.

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I'd be friggin mortified if I found out I wasn't tipping appropriately. I'd be really ashamed. I hope someone tells those doctors, I'm cringing reading this.

   
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Da Boss wrote:
I'd be friggin mortified if I found out I wasn't tipping appropriately. I'd be really ashamed. I hope someone tells those doctors, I'm cringing reading this.

Why would you be mortified? Unless someone tells you, it's impossible to know.
   
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I always get a travel book when I go oversees and look at things like dining etiquette and the like.

It most certainly is possible to know.

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The biggest thing is to know how tipping is regarded. In some places its expected, in some its flattering, and in others its insulting.

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You must have BBQ. You'll be in a place with real BBQ, so it's actually a sin (like the 8th deadly one) to not have BBQ while you're there.

Find one of those hole-in-the-wall places with a line around the block, and you're in business. And yes, you have to tip, at least 15%.

 
   
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 Seaward wrote:

That's probably the way to do it, and much better than my plan of going in tonight to sit down and act like a casual bar patron and, if they happened to show up, mention to them that the female bartenders are notorious for going home with you if you tip them big.


I have a cunning plan...

Get your girl, who presumably gets on well with all these doctors and has had some banter with them, to go up to their table/area and ask for them all to give her their attention.

"Guys, I wanted to ask you all a question, because I am very worried and confused. I want to know what I am doing wrong, because you keep coming back to this bar, but you don't leave any tips, which I can't figure out as you all know tipping your barmaid for drinks is standard in America, so much so that I get paid less than $5 per hour here as it's assumed I'll make up my wages in tips from happy customers...

So, my question is why aren't you guys happy to tip me for my work, is it not good? I want to be able to earn that tip from you, as it's a sign that I'm doing my job right, providing good customer service and also making enough to keep my rent paid, so, tell me what I am not doing right so I can get back to earning the tips that make my wage, help me out guys!"


Let her be a bit upset/dressed cute and appeal to the sense of honour/remind these bozos they earn a fortune in comparison/make it look like they upset a poor little waitress.

If they still don't realize they should be tipping, they are fethers and she should phlegm in their beers.



 
   
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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 Seaward wrote:

That's probably the way to do it, and much better than my plan of going in tonight to sit down and act like a casual bar patron and, if they happened to show up, mention to them that the female bartenders are notorious for going home with you if you tip them big.


I have a cunning plan...

Get your girl, who presumably gets on well with all these doctors and has had some banter with them, to go up to their table/area and ask for them all to give her their attention.

"Guys, I wanted to ask you all a question, because I am very worried and confused. I want to know what I am doing wrong, because you keep coming back to this bar, but you don't leave any tips, which I can't figure out as you all know tipping your barmaid for drinks is standard in America, so much so that I get paid less than $5 per hour here as it's assumed I'll make up my wages in tips from happy customers...

So, my question is why aren't you guys happy to tip me for my work, is it not good? I want to be able to earn that tip from you, as it's a sign that I'm doing my job right, providing good customer service and also making enough to keep my rent paid, so, tell me what I am not doing right so I can get back to earning the tips that make my wage, help me out guys!"


Let her be a bit upset/dressed cute and appeal to the sense of honour/remind these bozos they earn a fortune in comparison/make it look like they upset a poor little waitress.

If they still don't realize they should be tipping, they are fethers and she should phlegm in their beers.


Exalted for a brilliant plan with simple execution.

Tipping really is an interesting culture in the United States... and it can be an actual insult to tip your waiter in parts of Europe from what I understand. I don't have a tried and true amount or percentage I tip but it is always service based. The better your service is, the better you're compensated for it.

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I'm currently leathered in a pub in Britain with my American missus.

She said that the information about America is incorrect. But she refuses to discuss the point further at this time.

I suppose the point should be that getting your hands on the booze is more important than worrying about the paying part.

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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 Seaward wrote:

That's probably the way to do it, and much better than my plan of going in tonight to sit down and act like a casual bar patron and, if they happened to show up, mention to them that the female bartenders are notorious for going home with you if you tip them big.


I have a cunning plan...

Get your girl, who presumably gets on well with all these doctors and has had some banter with them, to go up to their table/area and ask for them all to give her their attention.

"Guys, I wanted to ask you all a question, because I am very worried and confused. I want to know what I am doing wrong, because you keep coming back to this bar, but you don't leave any tips, which I can't figure out as you all know tipping your barmaid for drinks is standard in America, so much so that I get paid less than $5 per hour here as it's assumed I'll make up my wages in tips from happy customers...

So, my question is why aren't you guys happy to tip me for my work, is it not good? I want to be able to earn that tip from you, as it's a sign that I'm doing my job right, providing good customer service and also making enough to keep my rent paid, so, tell me what I am not doing right so I can get back to earning the tips that make my wage, help me out guys!"


Let her be a bit upset/dressed cute and appeal to the sense of honour/remind these bozos they earn a fortune in comparison/make it look like they upset a poor little waitress.

See, I would hate this. It's just not the 'done thing' to ask for tips so blatantly like that. It's humiliating for both parties. After all, it is still a discretionary thing to do, tipping.

I mean, I'd take the advice on board - I'd just apply it to a different bar, because I wouldn't be going back to that one. Ugh, cringe.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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 mattyrm wrote:
I'm currently leathered in a pub in Britain with my American missus.

She said that the information about America is incorrect. But she refuses to discuss the point further at this time.

I suppose the point should be that getting your hands on the booze is more important than worrying about the paying part.


Tipping is a pretty tricky thing really. Almost everybody has a different amount they learned to tip growing up. It usually goes from 10% to 30%. 10% is pretty low and you are considered a cheapskate for it. 30% is fairly generous.

There are different ways for how a business deals with tips, they can either have their wait staff share tips or get individual tips. You should take this in to consideration in a place you are going to eat.

Also, if you go to a place, keep an eye on the menu. Sometimes the tips for the servers are included in the price of the food. Places that do this like to put the writing in the small print at the very bottom of the menu. Kinda sketchy if you ask me.

But yes, always tip your bartenders. More money means faster drinks and more attention. They are pretty busy people.
   
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 Necros wrote:
You must have BBQ. You'll be in a place with real BBQ, so it's actually a sin (like the 8th deadly one) to not have BBQ while you're there.


This is what I'm thinking.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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 Albatross wrote:
 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
 Seaward wrote:

That's probably the way to do it, and much better than my plan of going in tonight to sit down and act like a casual bar patron and, if they happened to show up, mention to them that the female bartenders are notorious for going home with you if you tip them big.


I have a cunning plan...

Get your girl, who presumably gets on well with all these doctors and has had some banter with them, to go up to their table/area and ask for them all to give her their attention.

"Guys, I wanted to ask you all a question, because I am very worried and confused. I want to know what I am doing wrong, because you keep coming back to this bar, but you don't leave any tips, which I can't figure out as you all know tipping your barmaid for drinks is standard in America, so much so that I get paid less than $5 per hour here as it's assumed I'll make up my wages in tips from happy customers...

So, my question is why aren't you guys happy to tip me for my work, is it not good? I want to be able to earn that tip from you, as it's a sign that I'm doing my job right, providing good customer service and also making enough to keep my rent paid, so, tell me what I am not doing right so I can get back to earning the tips that make my wage, help me out guys!"


Let her be a bit upset/dressed cute and appeal to the sense of honour/remind these bozos they earn a fortune in comparison/make it look like they upset a poor little waitress.

See, I would hate this. It's just not the 'done thing' to ask for tips so blatantly like that. It's humiliating for both parties. After all, it is still a discretionary thing to do, tipping.

I mean, I'd take the advice on board - I'd just apply it to a different bar, because I wouldn't be going back to that one. Ugh, cringe.


That's because you're still thinking in Brit terms, this is a foreign country. Despite talking in (almost) the same language, you are not in the UK and different social norms and etiquette are in play.

And besides, he said they'd taken over the bar, if they are too ignorant to tip after the subtle alert, then they should just piss off and not tip some other poor lass or lad in some other bar for a few, free the place up for folks who've taken the time to understand how things work. Hopefully they'd just get the point and give the girl some folding stuff to say sorry and start a new night as they should.



 
   
 
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