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2012/10/06 15:08:19
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Assuming that the Imperium can not repair the Golden Throne and we can fairly safely assume they can't, if and when the Emperor finally dies, what would happen? I read an interesting fan-fic about this event, it was basically a massed case of Universe screwed. The Sol system and many systems around it were consumed in the birth of what the writer called the Holy Tyrant and the Eye of Terra.
this is a quote from the fic:
In the year 176.M42, a terrible event occurred, one that tore our Imperium forever apart. The Golden Throne failed, its arcane mechanisms, broken beyond repair, finally giving out. Instants later, the Emperor ascended to the status of a God, his mortal body tearing itself apart. What happened next, no mortal man can truly say, for the Immaterium is ever-chaotic, impossible to describe. But its effects on the material realm are easy enough to describe. The new god born from the apotheosis of the Emperor was something new and terrible, the god of submission, of domination, of arrogance and pride, of the haughty tyrant and the cruel overseer, of power for power's sake, the will to impose oneself upon the universe at its fundamental core. This was not the Star Child we had hoped for - this was something unspeakable, a god of tyranny - the Holy Tyrant. The Aether disrupted itself in Segmentum Solar, new and more terrible Warp-storms enshrouding Terra and all nearby systems in a matter of moments. It is as such that we must turn to conjecture and data gleaned from the mad reports and rantings of those that reached the heart of the Eye.
Moments after the Holy Tyrant had been born, Terra, cradle of mankind, imploded, as the Warp burst out into reality there. Untold trillions of souls were sucked into the growing vortex, the Tyrant drinking deep of their essence. It likewise took instants for the end to come to Venus and Mercury, as the planets were devoured by the screaming vortex where Terra had once been. Mars however found itself cast out from the Solar System, as the Tyrant sensed that another nascent Power had already claimed it. The spreading tide of madness slowed, taking hours to reach Jupiter, which was ignited as a newborn sun by the unspeakable power that is the Holy Tyrant. As the Tyrant spread his newfound might, Titan, home of the proud Grey Knights, ceased to exist as it was ripped apart by immense tidal forces. Not a single one survived.
Would folks say that this is a pritty fair approximation of what would happen when/if the Emperor finally kicks the bucket?
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2012/10/06 16:27:23
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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No, the Star Child is what would happen.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2012/10/06 16:36:11
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Burn this heritic at the stake for his unclean thoughts how dare he say the God-Emperor can die!
Maybe, I like to believe the Emperor is trapped on the throne and when it fails he will rise anew and take the high lords to task. After fixing the hole in the basement he will have to re-educate everyone about the lack/loss of tech and go a crusade (not a galaxtic one) to find his lost sons. that should keep him busy for a couple hundred years and still keep the Imperium grimdark.
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
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2012/10/06 16:59:36
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Thing is, Empy has always done in his mind whats best for humanity and balls to what anyone else has has to say about it. He's not going to be a good god if and when he dies, but then again there's no chance of that happening, you've got more chance of GW advancing the story.
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2012/10/06 19:58:59
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Maybe they might advance the fluff after they're done with the Horus Heresy, ( not having a go at you )personally I am sick of all this he's dead malarky, if he was then when the throne finally breaks thats it for the Imperium and GW's main money maker and the end of 40k so it makes sense ( at least business sense ) if they do the star child thing or what I said earlier.
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
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2012/10/06 22:11:40
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Grey Templar wrote:No, the Star Child is what would happen.
Starchild was retconned.
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2012/10/06 22:26:55
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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 LoneLictor wrote:Grey Templar wrote:No, the Star Child is what would happen.
Starchild was retconned.
When?
Its never been retouched AFAIK.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2012/10/07 03:19:27
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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In the 3rd ed. Warhammer rulebook, it's revealed that it's a Tzeentch cult. Starchild was never about the Emperor.
Think about it. A strange, fringe group obsessed with 'hope and change', worshiping divine powers they don't quite understand. I'm on vacation now, but in a few days when I get home I might be able to scan the page.
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2012/10/07 04:32:13
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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Dakka Veteran
Eye of Terra.
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LoneLictor wrote:
In the 3rd ed. Warhammer rulebook, it's revealed that it's a Tzeentch cult. Starchild was never about the Emperor.
Think about it. A strange, fringe group obsessed with 'hope and change', worshiping divine powers they don't quite understand. I'm on vacation now, but in a few days when I get home I might be able to scan the page.
What the... you're on vacation and reading dakka?
I dub thee Sir Nerdly Nerdlington Knight Commander of Dakka. 
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2012/10/07 04:58:08
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Uhlan wrote: LoneLictor wrote:
In the 3rd ed. Warhammer rulebook, it's revealed that it's a Tzeentch cult. Starchild was never about the Emperor.
Think about it. A strange, fringe group obsessed with 'hope and change', worshiping divine powers they don't quite understand. I'm on vacation now, but in a few days when I get home I might be able to scan the page.
What the... you're on vacation and reading dakka?
I dub thee Sir Nerdly Nerdlington Knight Commander of Dakka.
It's not the fun kind of vacation. It's more like "Technically this is a vacation, but its actually horrible".
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2012/10/07 08:03:55
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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So what would happen when the throne fails, apart from the gak about him dieing?
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
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2012/10/07 08:10:52
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Stormin' Stompa
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Madassa wrote:Assuming that the Imperium can not repair the Golden Throne and we can fairly safely assume they can't, if and when the Emperor finally dies, what would happen?
It wouldn't.
Thank you for playing.
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2012/10/07 08:33:20
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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I think it has to because you can't put a quote in a dex(?) saying it is braking and will brake because they don't know how to fix it. Something has to come next but not - it's ok folks we fixed it, move along now there nothing more to see hear - that would be lame. But since the Tau are/will be allies I bet they come and fix it = lame
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
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2012/10/07 15:44:51
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Stormin' Stompa
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The time-line will simply not move to that point.
We will constantly be right on the brink, and never beyond it.
Time in Warhammer 40K does not follow the same rules as time in real life.
It can stand still for ever, events can be changed to never have happened or it can suddenly jump forward.
Just like the loyalist Space Marines will never take over the Imperium and Chaos Space Marines will never break out en masse from the Eye of Terror, so will the Emperor never die.
Several different options exist that does not lead to the breakdown of The Golden Throne and the death of the Emperor.
GW can simply stop mentioning it (the Squat treatment), a xenos race or Mechanicus genius can suddenly fix it (the Deus Ex Machina treatment) or the timeline simply does not reach that point.
Considering that the death of the Emperor would have a huuuge impact on the way the universe of 40K is built, my money is on it simply not happening.
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2012/10/07 15:53:16
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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I personally would love it if he got up from the throne, from reading about him in the HH I think it's a waste that such a good/important character has been left to rot, but your proberly right Steelmage99. (sighs)
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Come into my web, said the spider to the fly.
Come rest your wings, and let us talk eye to eye.
For I am a spider, and you are the fly. Now that you are here, let us sit, and say hi.
But I have have no morsel to share, nor anything to eat. But wait, what is that stickiness upon your feet.
Ah now I have you, now I can eat. Now I can enjoy you, or store you as meat.
For I am the spider, and you are the fly. How else could it have gone, between one such as you, and one such as I.
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2012/10/07 16:04:29
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Fixture of Dakka
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I'm surprised and disappointed that in a thread concerning the death of the Emperor, no-one has mentioned Dark Lord Seanron's highly popular, massive, fluff-piece going over such an event:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257813.page
It may be worthwhile to simply filter the thread to DLS's posts.
Ultimately however, what would happen is unknown. It could starchild/create the God-Emperor, could allow Daemons to spill into the material realm, could create the noise of a toilet flushing, we don't know.
Personally, I'd imagine it would allow the Emperor to be re-born as a god; due to the amount of belief placed in the idea of the Emperor as a god and the power of belief in 40K.
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"It is the great irony of the Legiones Astartes: engineered to kill to achieve a victory of peace that they can then be no part of."
- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2012/10/07 17:24:29
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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I like how he made the entire GK's killed, simply becuase.
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2012/10/08 09:21:50
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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LoneLictor wrote:
In the 3rd ed. Warhammer rulebook, it's revealed that it's a Tzeentch cult. Starchild was never about the Emperor.
The 'Tzeentchian Cult' story was implied to be a cover-up by the Illuminati members of the Ordo Malleus...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/10/08 09:28:22
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Dakka Veteran
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My theory: He wakes up, looks around, feels like too much work to fix, goes back to sleep and the plot continues to stand still.
He may awaken some years later to pee but this could just be wishful thinking.
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2012/10/08 14:49:37
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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 Just Dave wrote:I'm surprised and disappointed that in a thread concerning the death of the Emperor, no-one has mentioned Dark Lord Seanron's highly popular, massive, fluff-piece going over such an event:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/257813.page
It may be worthwhile to simply filter the thread to DLS's posts.
Ultimately however, what would happen is unknown. It could starchild/create the God-Emperor, could allow Daemons to spill into the material realm, could create the noise of a toilet flushing, we don't know.
Personally, I'd imagine it would allow the Emperor to be re-born as a god; due to the amount of belief placed in the idea of the Emperor as a god and the power of belief in 40K.
This. From what I remember, the excess of belief, or just raw emotion, is what created the other gods. After just reading False Gods, and seeing a character turn a demon with her belief in the Emperor (before the cult of the Emperor even got going) I think it's all about belief. The fact that so many Imperial citizens believe the Emperor is watching over them and protecting them, I think he would turn into that god thru the power of the Immaterium.
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2012/10/08 15:58:31
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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 Tadashi wrote: LoneLictor wrote:
In the 3rd ed. Warhammer rulebook, it's revealed that it's a Tzeentch cult. Starchild was never about the Emperor.
The 'Tzeentchian Cult' story was implied to be a cover-up by the Illuminati members of the Ordo Malleus...
Where?
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2012/10/08 23:47:59
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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LoneLictor wrote: Tadashi wrote: LoneLictor wrote:
In the 3rd ed. Warhammer rulebook, it's revealed that it's a Tzeentch cult. Starchild was never about the Emperor.
The 'Tzeentchian Cult' story was implied to be a cover-up by the Illuminati members of the Ordo Malleus...
Where?
The Inquisition War trilogy...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/10/09 00:13:52
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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dying on the throne......bit like elvis
thank you very much....
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2012/10/09 14:14:32
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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What if.....in 7th edition GW decides to retcon all of this by making the whole Horus Heresy a dream sequence?
The Emperor wakes up and tells Horus this whole weird dream he has about making him Warmaster....
Emperor leaves the room and cut to Horus with dramatic music and rubbing his hands together a la Snively whiplash!
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Looking forward to the opening of 40k: The Musical
List of TV show ideas: Late night with Kharne, Farseer and friends, Sigvald in Space
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2012/10/09 15:53:50
Subject: Re:The Emperor's Death
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If GW advances the the story, they will declare that it has been discovered that the Adeptus Terra had been keeping secret the fact that the Emperor has been dead for thousands of years.
The Golden Throne is a psychic beacon powered by the lives of 1000 psykers per day, not to support the emperor, but to act as his replacement. The Emperor himself is a gem-encrusted corpse.
In the time of ending, it talks about concern over irreparable flaws in the golden throne. THAT is the thing keeping the imperium afloat. Not the mummy hooked up to it.
The psychic choir of the astronomican is a multitude of voices... Not the emperor's. etc. etc.
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2012/10/09 22:10:52
Subject: The Emperor's Death
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The most logical explanation I've been able to come up with that wouldn't kill the fluff or the game is that the Emperor is already dead. Alternately, when he dies the Adeptus Custodes keep his death secret from everyone, then it turns out that his spirit/soul/whatever was already mostly detached from the Golden Throne doing its job directly in the Warp, meaning that when he dies he just becomes a new Chaos God on the side of the Imperium. Or we could consider that the Golden Throne was built from blueprints the Emperor provided on his deathbed, suggesting the people who maintain it don't actually know what it does and the 'Golden Throne failing!' panic might just be bs in the first place. Or maybe it's already failed. Or maybe it's turning off because the Emperor is waking up again. Who knows?
Knowing Matt Ward he's going to take the throwaway line in the Space Marine Codex about Robute Gulliman's fatal wound healing in his stasis field to excuse the Emperor dying and Gulliman taking over as his replacement...
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