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Hi I use a proxy model for Abaddon with a spear I used as a daemon weapon. When getting the new codex a 'friend' of mine commented that since there is no daemon weapon category for a spear just a axe,sword,mace, scroll, brand and key so I can't use the model until I change it's weapon.

Is that true? Would there be such a issue as me using a spear as a axe for daemon weapon purposes? Didn't have a issue before but the person in question mentioned the older codex left more wiggle room but now it's well defined and will/might not be accept.

If you are still using the model as a proxy for Abaddon, then there is no problem, as his weapon has set rules.

If you are using the model as a Chaos Terminator, there is no option to take a daemon weapon, so it would be a power lance. (Same with Chaos Lord)

Just tell your opponent beforehand that it's a Daemon Weapon.

Thanks for the help.
So pretty much it's a power lance (forgot those existed actually) if it's not a proxy to Abaddon unless I can get the opposing player to agree to allow me to proxy the spear as a axe.

Thanks.

Not quite.

That classification is only for 'basic' power weapons; ones that have no other special rules.

You could model it as a big daisey, and it would still follow the rules for Abaddon's weapon... since that is what it is, and the only thing it could be.

Could someone help me understand the power lances profile? Str +1/user
AP 3/4

I'm also curious as to what others opinions are of the weapon as I'm trying to determine if I should keep it on my terminator lord. Does it fit as a chaos lords weapon or is it better suited on another piece serving another function?

 DeathRex wrote:
Could someone help me understand the power lances profile? Str +1/user
AP 3/4

I'm also curious as to what others opinions are of the weapon as I'm trying to determine if I should keep it on my terminator lord. Does it fit as a chaos lords weapon or is it better suited on another piece serving another function?

The first is used on the turn the user charged. (So he hits at S+1, AP3) Use the latter in any other case. (Base S with AP4)
In other words, it's awesome on the charge and not so much if you are not. So Jump Pack and Cavalry tend to get more mileage out of it since they have an easier time getting the charge. Termies tend to prefer some kind of AP2 weapon like the power axe.
If you can modify it into a halberd it counts as a power axe though.

 Jackster wrote:

 DeathRex wrote:
Could someone help me understand the power lances profile? Str +1/user
AP 3/4

I'm also curious as to what others opinions are of the weapon as I'm trying to determine if I should keep it on my terminator lord. Does it fit as a chaos lords weapon or is it better suited on another piece serving another function?

The first is used on the turn the user charged. (So he hits at S+1, AP3) Use the latter in any other case. (Base S with AP4)
In other words, it's awesome on the charge and not so much if you are not. So Jump Pack and Cavalry tend to get more mileage out of it since they have an easier time getting the charge. Termies tend to prefer some kind of AP2 weapon like the power axe.
If you can modify it into a halberd it counts as a power axe though.

Thanks for the info. Helped me alot in what I might do.

Just to clarify while we are here too, Technically the only true "Daemon Weapons" you can get without taking a special character are the aforementioned Axe and Mace, the Sword taken from the same wargear section is actually not a Daemon Weapon.

On the same subject, what about a TDA lord model with a fething huge two handed sword made from the hilt of a thunderhammer and a daemon princes sword? Would you all allow that to count as the khornate daemon axe? lol

 Bausk wrote:
On the same subject, what about a TDA lord model with a fething huge two handed sword made from the hilt of a thunderhammer and a daemon princes sword? Would you all allow that to count as the khornate daemon axe? lol

Sounds like a badass daemon cleaver! I would think it would be easier to pass it off as the non daemon sword than anything else but personally i would allow the cleaver of epicness to pass as an axe.


Am I the only one abit annoyed at the lack of daemon weapon options? I have seen alot of creative models with daemon weapons that just don't fall into these given parameters anymore.

Yeah I agree, given that if you don't have the Mark of Khorne there's actually only 1 option for a Daemon Weapon I think it's pretty underwhelming, I really think they should have given the option to take any of the 4 power weapon types with the daemon weapon rule added on.

I dont believe the two chaos artifects actually have to be model as axes or maces, since they are special melee weapons anyway.

 DeathRex wrote:

 Bausk wrote:
On the same subject, what about a TDA lord model with a fething huge two handed sword made from the hilt of a thunderhammer and a daemon princes sword? Would you all allow that to count as the khornate daemon axe? lol

Sounds like a badass daemon cleaver! I would think it would be easier to pass it off as the non daemon sword than anything else but personally i would allow the cleaver of epicness to pass as an axe.


Am I the only one abit annoyed at the lack of daemon weapon options? I have seen alot of creative models with daemon weapons that just don't fall into these given parameters anymore.

Awww, the blade to hilt is longer than most pole arms and its not like its unwieldy like a normal axe. Not to mention drach'nyen is AP2 and a sword that's half the size. Oh well, he still makes a mean counts as for The Don.

On that note yes I'm less than impressed with the daemon weapon turnout, I'm rather disappointed with the lack of flexibility of the weapons themselves. Further more its funny that the Khornate one grants rage even though the MoK grants rage anyway, awesome planing there. Unless DPs MoK does not grant rage then at least they can get it through the daemon Axe.

I have had plenty of people complain about the removal of the daemon prince's Lash of submission which given the new psyker system I thought would be included in some lesser fashion as optional slannesh war gear.

Removing that I can understand as daemon princes are daemon princes but To limit chaos lords daemon weapons to just two options seems wrong. Never mind to make one limited to khorne lords leaving nothing but a mace for the rest of the chaos devotes to contemplate it's use.

Any chance this might be correct in the future?

This is silly. Rules wise Abaddon has a daemon weapon with certain rules. Nothing in those rules particularly screams sword. Your counts as Abaddon can have demon spear or axe modelled, as long as your opponent knows what it actually does. Same with the Axe of Blind Fury, you can model it as Sword of Blind Fury if you like.

 Crimson wrote:
This is silly. Rules wise Abaddon has a daemon weapon with certain rules. Nothing in those rules particularly screams sword. Your counts as Abaddon can have demon spear or axe modelled, as long as your opponent knows what it actually does. Same with the Axe of Blind Fury, you can model it as Sword of Blind Fury if you like.

my abby has an axe. looked better than the silly sword.

 DeathRex wrote:
Hi I use a proxy model for Abaddon with a spear I used as a daemon weapon. When getting the new codex a 'friend' of mine commented that since there is no daemon weapon category for a spear just a axe,sword,mace, scroll, brand and key so I can't use the model until I change it's weapon.

Is that true? Would there be such a issue as me using a spear as a axe for daemon weapon purposes? Didn't have a issue before but the person in question mentioned the older codex left more wiggle room but now it's well defined and will/might not be accept.

Strictly according to the rules you are required to have every model in the game WYSIWYG. However, if the model has a clear presentation of its "intentions" (aka you have a big spikey chaos lord with an evil looking spear) and you say it is a Daemon Weapon at the beginning of the game, 99.9% of players in a friendly setting will be perfectly fine with it. If your 'friend' is stating that he won't let you use the model in a game against him in a FLGS or non-tournament setting, then he qualifies for "That Guy" status.



However. . . I've noticed after the new codex there are alot of baby Abaddon's popping up, and as someone who put the effort into getting a very nice and accurate looking Abaddizle, I'll admit it does irk me. I wouldn't stop you from playing the model as Abaddon - but just so we are clear, picking up a random piece of plastic and telling your buddies before the game that this model = X special character when it doesn't look like him and there is no clear effort to model him as such is bad form. I saw a guy at my shop the other day playing a Possessed w/ Wings and a glued on combi-bolter as Abaddon. Wasn't even wearing terminator armor, bro.

What's the Galaxy coming to?

 Boneblade wrote:

 DeathRex wrote:
Hi I use a proxy model for Abaddon with a spear I used as a daemon weapon. When getting the new codex a 'friend' of mine commented that since there is no daemon weapon category for a spear just a axe,sword,mace, scroll, brand and key so I can't use the model until I change it's weapon.

Is that true? Would there be such a issue as me using a spear as a axe for daemon weapon purposes? Didn't have a issue before but the person in question mentioned the older codex left more wiggle room but now it's well defined and will/might not be accept.

Strictly according to the rules you are required to have every model in the game WYSIWYG. However, if the model has a clear presentation of its "intentions" (aka you have a big spikey chaos lord with an evil looking spear) and you say it is a Daemon Weapon at the beginning of the game, 99.9% of players in a friendly setting will be perfectly fine with it. If your 'friend' is stating that he won't let you use the model in a game against him in a FLGS or non-tournament setting, then he qualifies for "That Guy" status.



However. . . I've noticed after the new codex there are alot of baby Abaddon's popping up, and as someone who put the effort into getting a very nice and accurate looking Abaddizle, I'll admit it does irk me. I wouldn't stop you from playing the model as Abaddon - but just so we are clear, picking up a random piece of plastic and telling your buddies before the game that this model = X special character when it doesn't look like him and there is no clear effort to model him as such is bad form. I saw a guy at my shop the other day playing a Possessed w/ Wings and a glued on combi-bolter as Abaddon. Wasn't even wearing terminator armor, bro.

What's the Galaxy coming to?

Oh I Understand and don't appreciate such half assed attempts to play a character someone doesn't have. Saw someone use a pain boy to count as Fabius. just couldn't bother to watch after that. If it's somewhat accurate or has a good deal of effort put into it I think it's cool. Interesting to see how people decide to construct their 'Abaddon'



Is this passable?

That would definitely be an Abaddon. No confusion there.