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Ok guys, so the new chaos codex is out, & I’m gonna make a dreadclaw out of a drop pod. So. As I can see, if I put a helbrute, with 2 powerfists in a dreadclaw, then deepstrike it, it can assault on the same turn as it’s an assault vehicle. Is this correct? Seems a bit moody to me, but thats the way I’m reading it.

Any thoughts?

Hope I’ve put this in the right forum this time.

From the FAQ...

Q: Do Transports with the Assault Vehicle special rule permit their passengers to charge on the turn they arrive from Reserve? (p33)
A: No.

So did they add the dreadclaw to the codex, or is it still a ForgeWorld thing?

Forgeworld only

I’ve just check pg 33. I presume you mean the specific ‘assault vehicle’ rule. I can’t see anything that say’s they can’t assault if they deep strike. If i’ve missed something, please do point it out.
However, FW have now put stamps on their things that can be used in standard 40K games. The dreadclaw is one of them, so i’ll probably still give it a go.


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 chelsea_hollywood wrote:
Forgeworld only

Like I said to the guy above, the latest FW books have 40K stamps on the stuff you can use in a ‘standard’ game. It does say you should clear it with your opponent first though. All the guys I play should be cool with it though. I can’t really see a problem with it myself.

They can't assault because there are two restrictions.
1. Arrived from reserve.
2. Disembarked from a vehicle.

The assault vehicle removes restriction 2, but not restriction 1.
This is further clarified in the BRB FAQ.
So that's a big official "NO" for them being able to assault after deep striking.

OK, no worries then. I’ll have a closer look at the FAQ. Still a pretty viable option though I think. I reckon a 105 point dreadnought in my enemies ranks should give people something to think about. If it dies, oh well. If it lives. It’s time to munch.


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So much to take in with these new rules!

unless the dreadclaw specifically allows you to assault out of Deep Strike then its not going to work.

it has Assault Vehicle because it can move after it comes in, so you could leave the passanger(s) on board so you can assault later.

So, another thought occurs. Can I drop the Dreadclaw, release the helbrute, then in the next turn boost it 36” to pick up a squad that are in the open that were in a rhino that just got blown up?
I guess the question is:
Can units embark into a flyer that has just boosted?
I look into it & see if anyone responds in the meantime.

No, you can't embark onto something that just Turboboosted. And you can't embark into a Zooming Flyer at all.

To embark it would have to be in Hover mode, and move no more than 6" that turn.

 grendel083 wrote:
They can't assault because there are two restrictions.
1. Arrived from reserve.
2. Disembarked from a vehicle.

The assault vehicle removes restriction 2, but not restriction 1.
This is further clarified in the BRB FAQ.
So that's a big official "NO" for them being able to assault after deep striking.

Yeah this, I think there's only like two things that can assault from reserve now. Vanguard vets and Boss Zagstruk. I think there may be one more but I can't remember for sure.

Thingy Genstealers.
Can never remeber their name.

 Bausk wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
They can't assault because there are two restrictions.
1. Arrived from reserve.
2. Disembarked from a vehicle.

The assault vehicle removes restriction 2, but not restriction 1.
This is further clarified in the BRB FAQ.
So that's a big official "NO" for them being able to assault after deep striking.

Yeah this, I think there's only like two things that can assault from reserve now. Vanguard vets and Boss Zagstruk. I think there may be one more but I can't remember for sure.

Ymgarl Genestealers.

 Grey Templar wrote:
unless the dreadclaw specifically allows you to assault out of Deep Strike then its not going to work.

it has Assault Vehicle because it can move after it comes in, so you could leave the passanger(s) on board so you can assault later.

I’m not sure I understand that dude. Do you mean, as the vehicle counts as having moved at cruising speed, it can still move flat out?
Sorry if this is a stupid question.

 Klueless wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
unless the dreadclaw specifically allows you to assault out of Deep Strike then its not going to work.

it has Assault Vehicle because it can move after it comes in, so you could leave the passanger(s) on board so you can assault later.

I’m not sure I understand that dude. Do you mean, as the vehicle counts as having moved at cruising speed, it can still move flat out?
Sorry if this is a stupid question.

Sure, I see no reason a Deep Striking vehicle can't move Flat Out the turn it deep strikes. Just like how a deep striking unit can run as normal.

And since the Dreadclaw isn't an immobile vehicle like a Drop Pod it can do the above.

Oh god, my head is spinning. I’ll check out zooming flyer, embaring/disembarking & Hover mode.... Good grief.

 grendel083 wrote:
Thingy Genstealers.
Can never remeber their name.

Yamgal?


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rigeld2 wrote:

 Bausk wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
They can't assault because there are two restrictions.
1. Arrived from reserve.
2. Disembarked from a vehicle.

The assault vehicle removes restriction 2, but not restriction 1.
This is further clarified in the BRB FAQ.
So that's a big official "NO" for them being able to assault after deep striking.

Yeah this, I think there's only like two things that can assault from reserve now. Vanguard vets and Boss Zagstruk. I think there may be one more but I can't remember for sure.

Ymgarl Genestealers.

Thats the one

 grendel083 wrote:
To embark it would have to be in Hover mode, and move no more than 6" that turn.

Where does it actually say that dude? i can’t see anything about it in embarking? Am I in the wrong section?


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 Bausk wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
Thingy Genstealers.
Can never remeber their name.

Yamgal?


Ymgarl. Definitely. I use them all the time. Only problem is.... How the hell do you pronounce it?!?

Hmmm, I can't find anything either. The only restriction I can find is that Passengers can only disembark if the vehicle moved 6" or less. And nothing in the Flyer section even touches on Transports.

It would seem you can Embark onto a Zooming Flyer afterall

But you can't disembark unless it goes into Hover mode(or has something allowing you to do it)

A ha! A legitimate tactic has come from all this cross country banter!

Thank you all. I will be sure to keep you informed how my tactics are going.


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So, as I see it, the tactic is deep strike, leave the unit inside, then, in the next turn, disembark it, then zoom the flyer! Which will be useless as it has no guns, unless a rhino gets blown up. At least it might attract some bullets. Maybe 65 points isn’t a great investment to attract bullets though. However, I can’t really see that running a helbrute up the board is a great tactic either.

If you want to drop it from the sky, take a MM and a fist with a combi-melta.

Gives you a chance to have a shot at armour, so even if you dont make it into combat, it may still do something.

Yeah, probably not a bad idea. Just like the idea of getting in there & killing some stuff hand to hand. Although, I realise in practice, this doesn’t always happen.

 Klueless wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
To embark it would have to be in Hover mode, and move no more than 6" that turn.

Where does it actually say that dude? i can’t see anything about it in embarking? Am I in the wrong section?

Hmm... Well you learn something new every day.
Seems you're not limited on speed when embarking.

However you can't embark or disembark from a Zooming flyer. Page 80, last sentence of "Zoom", just before "Zoom, Tank Shock and Ramming".

"Finally, models cannot embark upon, or disernbark from, a Zooming Flyer."

page 80

 Klueless wrote:
So, as I see it, the tactic is deep strike, leave the unit inside, then, in the next turn, disembark it, then zoom the flyer! Which will be useless as it has no guns, unless a rhino gets blown up. At least it might attract some bullets. Maybe 65 points isn’t a great investment to attract bullets though. However, I can’t really see that running a helbrute up the board is a great tactic either.

Your tactic would have to be:
Deep strike, leave it inside.
Next turn change to Hover mode, disembark then move off (as a skimmer, no zooming).

Ype, after 6+ years they still cant give the Dradclaw decent rules.

Compared to the Lucius, where the one attempt at "balance" was to make the dreadnought take a dangerous terrain check. Which the Ironclad, the only dreadnought worth taking given how easily Kraks kill dradnoughts now, ignores.

OK, so, having some trouble with the Dreadclaw.
Main problem being, It arrives via deepstrike. Then moves as normal. So, as we are interoperating it, it must be able to deploy it’s folly, then becomes a flyer when the contents are out, which can then hover or zoom.
Point being, if it arrives on turn 2/3/4, if it can’t unload it contents, it arrives, gets shot, then dies, (or has to keep hold of it’s contents until the following turn) unload it’s contents, which then again has to stand there for another turn, & probably die, or, the turn after, which could be the last turn of the game, it finally gets to do something...?

Seems pretty crap to be honest.

It is an assault vehicle, so as long as it hovers you can move 6", get out and assault.

But it doesn’t hover when it turns up. It deep strikes, at cruising speed.... What a muddle.

Yep, it is zooming

Stupidly it used to only scatter D6, to get over the issue with no Inertial Guidance, but now 2D6. Sigh.