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 Mahrdol wrote:
Some of the art are WIP I think.

I added up all the models and the book and I come up with 810 pounds total for DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES pledge.

I am not sure how they are getting 900 pounds.

is that including the models that cost more than the normal amount?

 judgedoug wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
Some of the art are WIP I think.

I added up all the models and the book and I come up with 810 pounds total for DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES pledge.

I am not sure how they are getting 900 pounds.

is that including the models that cost more than the normal amount?

Yes and it includes early bird special so it would be 815 with non early bird.

In for 30 GBP, and I will use that to order minis I like.

In for £500. Will see if we get to any infantry to maintain that pledge or not. ( haha, I will find something to spend it on)
Looking forward to seeing what else they are planning to take us through to 100k and beyond.

Took a look. Possibly pretty mini's. The ones out now are nice. The price point is simply not for me. I'll keep an eye on this though to see if a certain model catches my eye.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Took a look. Possibly pretty mini's. The ones out now are nice. The price point is simply not for me. I'll keep an eye on this though to see if a certain model catches my eye.

Not even the Elephant man?

All I know is that Carrasco is doing all the stuff for my Norse, so looks like I'll be suckered in for all of em

OFFICIAL TRADE POST FOR MIERCE KS2!

Alright fellow Mierce fans...

I only paint monsters.
Demons, dragons, fell creatures of all kinds.
But show me a human, and I am all like: meh...

Given that, and given also the 30GBP inclusion of an exclusive, I have up for grabs:
Uhtred!
Oh, and this rulebook thingy...
I will accept a trade for anyone with the "I just want miniatures" pledge, who can purchase a monstrous mini for me.
Preferably an Aussie or Kiwi (to keep shipping costs down), but open to all takers at this stage.

Thanks!


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Wow, a furry Krull!

 zedmeister wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:
Thanks. Guess I'll pledge even if I haven't gotten my stuff yet, then.

What are you missing? Just the Khthones?

Yes. Just the Khthones. Also known as: my entire order. Which is why pledging again feels a bit like a blind guess, with some of Mierce's history.
And yes, I know they seem to be quite okay now. And I have some of the stuff from before the 'mierce' time (couple of the standard bearers that are still in the not-darklands range, as well as the big honkin' tree who's also not made the transition) so I know their sculpting/casting seems to be up to snuff.
Prices 'feel' a bit high, though I must say I felt quite a bit better about the RRP of the treeman (even though I got it through the final Maelstrom-blowout debacle and so only paid something in the order of fifteen or twenty quid for it, even when amortizing the parts of that order I never got over the parts I did) after actually assembling it and seeing how big and detailed it really is; I'm hearing the Darklands stuff is generally the same quality and I hear everyone stating it's all fething huge, so I'm probably going to be quite happy (loving the pics so far, that's for sure) but still; dropping another eighty or so quid potentially, knowing UK-NL shipping times of late, pretty much blind, is not something I like doing all that much

Understood. It may be worth getting in touch with Mierce to see if they can speed anything up. No harm in asking at the least...

Not to dismiss that irritation or the concerns about Mierce, but they've been 100% great as a backer for this. I have some kits delivered, some on hold, and have been basically emailing them from monthly to weekly for updates because I'm an awful consumer. They've been very excited that I was excited and tolerant of how I was expressing it, kept backers as a whole up to date as the process moved, and the miniatures I've gotten have been excellent.

That noted, kickstarters are kickstarters. Back them with the same money you can go gambling with.

Here's a larger finished Concept of Scecchus, the Byzantii monstrous commander



Daniel Cockersell is booked to do the sculpt...

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
hope this helps (again most of the minis so far are in the 'fancy' end of things so making a balanced force is not as easy at it will be with some solid mainstay and common units which this KS should hopefully produce)

It's been incredibly helpful in getting my head round the shape of things, thank you.

It has unfortunately not taken any options off the table, so my wallet is currently cowering in the corner of a therapy room

Maybe I should get second faction so I can entice other people to play.........

 Baragash wrote:

Maybe I should get second faction so I can entice other people to play.........

2 is always good. Also, check out who can ally with who in the quickstarter rules - should make it easier if you get two Kindreds who can ally into one big force...

Their first update has gone up, and for those of you who didn't think the mounted Generals were a good deal at £30.00, they will be when we reach £50,000:

Wow! To say that we didn't expect our Kickstarter project to be funded within an hour is an understatement. To get almost double that within the first day is incredible! We're a bit shell-shocked to be honest.
We humbly thank everyone who has allowed us to meet our funding goal of £20,000 - thank you very much guys, and it's great to see people as excited about Darklands as we are. There's plenty more to come.
So, now that we've achieved our Funding Goal, let's reward you with some free stuff once we reach £50,000...

Click here for a larger version of the above image.
As it says on the tin, a general on foot is FREE if you've purchased his equivalent on horseback from the same kindred. So if you've purchased Eadric already, you'll get Eadric on foot for free once we reach £50,000!
(Obviously, the purchase of Xontór will net you Ágriosávra - for free).
Please note, however, a miniature from this stretch goal is ONLY free to those backers that have chosen the "DARKLANDS & UHTRED", "DARKLANDS & UHTRED, EARLIER", "DARKLANDS, UHTRED & NOBLES" or "YOU'RE THEIR DESCENDANT" rewards, and purchased a mounted general.
Thus, if you have not chosen those rewards, or if you fancy additional generals on foot, you must increase your pledge by £10 ($15) to purchase a general on foot.
Please note, there are no additional shipping fees for acquiring a general on foot if you've already chosen a reward, and they'll be shipped with the first wave of rulebook and miniatures, in June 2014.

And yes, if you purchased the "Darklands, Uhtred & Nobles" deal you get ALL of the general's on foot for free (as you have already purchased all the mounted generals).

More Lizardmen, this pleases me

Hopefully we will see more human-sized monster infantry (lizardfolk, beastmen etc...) as this progresses.

So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.

 Yodhrin wrote:
So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.

Seems like a pretty solid deal to me. The mounted figures we've seen are just massive, and the on-foot dudes are easily valued at about $20.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.

Seems like a pretty solid deal to me. The mounted figures we've seen are just massive, and the on-foot dudes are easily valued at about $20.

I agree. The Mierce figs I own are just the best sculpts on the planet. And they're cheaper than Finecast (what, Archaon is up to $50 now? for a worse sculpt in a shittier material?)

 judgedoug wrote:

I agree. The Mierce figs I own are just the best sculpts on the planet. And they're cheaper than Finecast (what, Archaon is up to $50 now? for a worse sculpt in a shittier material?)

Yea, GW has price increased themselves to the point where Mierce are only a fraction more expensive, especially when you can find their stuff at a discount.
$57.50 for a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, or $62.50 for Shaaroc the Reviled during KS1? $24.75 for a Razorgor or $22.00 for Baintaac at Mierce's retail price? $49.50 for a Doombull, or $35.98 for Ckaarakk, Untain of the Tarvax at his retail price? It's an easy call, for my money. Yea, Mierce is expensive, but GW is so close behind that I'm willing to shell out an extra few bucks (or save more than a few, in some of these cases!) for the better quality.
Really, if I ever want to field a Slaughter-Brute, I can buy Blood Maw for a whopping $1.38 more and have a far, far, far superior (and much creepier!) model to put on the table.

 razormage wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

I agree. The Mierce figs I own are just the best sculpts on the planet. And they're cheaper than Finecast (what, Archaon is up to $50 now? for a worse sculpt in a shittier material?)

Yea, GW has price increased themselves to the point where Mierce are only a fraction more expensive, especially when you can find their stuff at a discount.
$57.50 for a Dragon Ogre Shaggoth, or $62.50 for Shaaroc the Reviled during KS1? $24.75 for a Razorgor or $22.00 for Baintaac at Mierce's retail price? $49.50 for a Doombull, or $35.98 for Ckaarakk, Untain of the Tarvax at his retail price? It's an easy call, for my money. Yea, Mierce is expensive, but GW is so close behind that I'm willing to shell out an extra few bucks (or save more than a few, in some of these cases!) for the better quality.
Really, if I ever want to field a Slaughter-Brute, I can buy Blood Maw for a whopping $1.38 more and have a far, far, far superior (and much creepier!) model to put on the table.

Especially as Mierce's models are larger and more detailed. Comparing the Dragon Ogre Shaggoth to Shaaroc only barely works, Shaaroc is at least twice as massive.

I think it's a bit of a red herring to claim Mierce miniatures are good value by comparing them to GW, given that GW are horribly over-priced. I can't disagree that they're aesthetically superior (wrote earlier in the thread during KS1 that they've taken the GW mantle of quality, where GW's quality has been steadily,unceasingly declining over time), but to say they're ok for price by comparing them to something that's really not ok at all, I dunno. Then again I don't know what their finances are, I'd be very surprised if they had a Scrooge McDuck style coin vault at Mierce HQ.

Isn't Aradae the Shaggoth equivalent? I really like the Shaggoth, it comes from an era when GW could claim to be the Ferrari of toy soldiers with something resembling a straight face. I think the Aradae is a lot bigger though, and made with proper resin.

Looks like I'll be adding a mounted general with news of the 50k stretch bonus.

Aradae is a lot bigger than the Shaggoth, and looks a hell of a lot more impressive.

I bought Carrowek on horse and foot, and he craps all over Archaon. So massive and brutal looking, he definitely looks like what a soldier favoured by the gods would look like.

I think Mierce is more expensive than others, but I would rather pay more for a good miniature than less for ones I am not happy about.

JWBS wrote:
Isn't Aradae the Shaggoth equivalent? I really like the Shaggoth, it comes from an era when GW could claim to be the Ferrari of toy soldiers with something resembling a straight face. I think the Aradae is a lot bigger though, and made with proper resin.

D'oh, and to think I went and based up a unit of them to just use as generic massive Dragon Ogres...

 cincydooley wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.

Seems like a pretty solid deal to me. The mounted figures we've seen are just massive, and the on-foot dudes are easily valued at about $20.

I'm not fussed about their value in an absolute sense, I already own a few Mierce figures and they're stunning, worth every penny. What I object to is the proposition that I would be asked to pay more money than another backer for exactly the same product simply because I have no interest in the Darklands rules or the special edition figure. They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset. They can do that if they like, it's their KS and their product, I'm just saying that doing things that way eliminates my interest in participating; why pay full retail price(Carrowek on foot and on horseback together currently cost £38.68 including shipping, and they said a modest price rise for their line as a whole is reflected in the KS costs) and wait until some point after July 2014, when that's what I'd have to do if I was going to buy it at retail anyway? There's no incentive.

If they put in a miniatures-only pledge that includes the freebies, I'll be all over this. Otherwise, they're essentially asking me to preorder miniatures a year in advance.

Apparently they're adding another £66.666 stretch goal at any minute, some massive Servile minion of Dis uber-demon, £70 rrp


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 Yodhrin wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
So they want £40 for the mounted and on-foot pair if you go with the miniatures-only pledge? Yeah, pass.

Seems like a pretty solid deal to me. The mounted figures we've seen are just massive, and the on-foot dudes are easily valued at about $20.

I'm not fussed about their value in an absolute sense, I already own a few Mierce figures and they're stunning, worth every penny. What I object to is the proposition that I would be asked to pay more money than another backer for exactly the same product simply because I have no interest in the Darklands rules or the special edition figure. They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset. They can do that if they like, it's their KS and their product, I'm just saying that doing things that way eliminates my interest in participating; why pay full retail price(Carrowek on foot and on horseback together currently cost £38.68 including shipping, and they said a modest price rise for their line as a whole is reflected in the KS costs) and wait until some point after July 2014, when that's what I'd have to do if I was going to buy it at retail anyway? There's no incentive.

If they put in a miniatures-only pledge that includes the freebies, I'll be all over this. Otherwise, they're essentially asking me to preorder miniatures a year in advance.

Yeah I agree. I don't want the rules either but I've pledged for them due to the structure of this KS. I just hope there's plenty of decent art and fluff in the book as well as some nice freebies so that it's not a total write off (since I'm not all that fussed about the KS miniature either).

 Yodhrin wrote:
They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset. They can do that if they like, it's their KS and their product, I'm just saying that doing things that way eliminates my interest in participating

I'm sorry that you feel that way. I get the impression that this Kickstarter is their attempt to say, "We're not making models just for you to drop into games of Warhammer (or Warmahordes or whatever else you want to use them for); we're creating our own world, and these are the creatures that live in it."
Sure, a lot of their stuff is dual-use, but if you look at models like Torku, or Grimmin, or the Khthonics, or some of the Infernii concepts that are in this Kickstarter, it's clear Mierce is trying to get away from just being a higher quality model company that replicates a lot of what GW has rules in place for. It would make sense to me that, if this is their goal, they're going to reward the backers who want to join in on sharing this vision and try out the ruleset that they've been working on for the past year. I think it's really a necessary step for them take if they want to go from being a Gamezone scaled manufacturer into more of a Privateer Press or Reaper sized company that has its own rules supporting its miniature sales. It's always risky to rely on other companies to give people an excuse to buy your models.
That's not to bash Gamezone - they do fantastic stuff as well - but I think Mierce is trying to have some control over their own success, rather than assuming Warhammer will always be The Fantasy Miniatures Game everyone plays. Confrontation was quite popular in my area before Rackham collapsed, and Mierce could step in and fill that void for a high-quality skirmishing fantasy game in my area.
[Edit: too many typos, made my brain hurt!]

The miniatures are made un the UK. I am more then willing to pay a little extra for better quality items not produced by indentured servants in china.

Updated http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mierceminiatures/darklands-first-edition/posts

[EDIT: JWBS beat me to it. Just ignore this.]

He looks awesome. I will pick him up for sure.