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Piff wrote:So a guy who I believe to be the winner of a slayer sword in europe is selling it on eBay for €6000, should he be allowed to or shoul it be removed from sale due to its very nature and elite standing? Opinions???

Yes - it is his now to do with it what he wills.

d-usa wrote:Do we know why he is selling it? For all we know there is a pretty legitimate and pressing reason for him to need some cash and the sword is something that can make that money in a short amount of time.

I concur - he may have pressing issues.

Tannhauser42 wrote:As long as the buyer doesn't try to represent it as his own trophy, there's really nothing wrong with it.

Agreed.

dauntless wrote:He can do whatever he wants with his personal property.

Plenty of cases of folks selling off their Olympic medals.

Yes and some throwing them away (Ali).

ShumaGorath wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
No problem, it is his property.

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Property laws are not based in morality. If a 4 year old girl spent hours lovingly making a macaroni card for her dad for his birthday and the dude sold it two hours later to buy cigarettes that would be morally reprehensible. You can do legal things that are morally wrong.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:
No problem, it is his property.

Property laws are not based in morality. If a 4 year old girl spent hours lovingly making a macaroni card for her dad for his birthday and the dude sold it two hours later to buy cigarettes that would be morally reprehensible. You can do legal things that are morally wrong.

I fully agree with you in principle,
however in this case he might just choose the money and its not amoral. Would be very weird for somebody to buy this though. That's maybe the more immoral act.

I'm honestly more annoyed by the people who insinuate themselves in other's affairs and start crying about the morality of what they're doing. A suggestion to those folks: Mind your own ing business and fix your yard before you start whining to your neighbors about their yards.

Three pages of troll feeding? In before lock...

I bought it. Then I slayed some motherf*ckers.

 mattyrm wrote:
Nothing wrong with selling it, Id be fething amazed if anyone pays anything decent for it though.. there isn't much of a market surely?

I mean, really.. what are you going to do with it?

fething slay people with it, of course.

 kronk wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
Nothing wrong with selling it, Id be fething amazed if anyone pays anything decent for it though.. there isn't much of a market surely?

I mean, really.. what are you going to do with it?

fething slay people with it, of course.

Can you claim false advertising if it doesn't 'slayer'.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
Nothing wrong with selling it, Id be fething amazed if anyone pays anything decent for it though.. there isn't much of a market surely?

I mean, really.. what are you going to do with it?

fething slay people with it, of course.

Can you claim false advertising if it doesn't 'slayer'.

Or maybe the person concerned is not physically fit to slay people with blunt sword. You can always grab its blade and use it as the club.

It's HIS SWORD TO DO WITH AS HE WISHES.

It went for $600. SIX HUNDRED. Not 6000.

Karol is also a nice bloke, a sword collector and really doesn't like or want the sword for his collection. Going on what he's described about it, I wouldn't want it either; my re-enactment swords sound like they're better made.

A shame, as the original few swords (and Young Bloods Axes) were made by a small company (Raven Armoury) that produce some pant-wettingly nice stuff.

I'm a little 'hmm' about selling a trophy (pretty sure I'd keep it, despite it being a crap sword, purely as a memento), but that's as far as any reasonable person can take a response. There's rage and frothing and it's unseemly (especially on Facebook).

It's in his right to sell it. I think I'd probably do the same!

Capitalism is by definition Amoral.

Some people like mementos and some would rather have a few extra quid.

I think the title of this thread is funny.

According to the slayer sword winner, selling it on ebay is not against his moral code. It might be against the OPs or other people's, but that doesn't mean anything to anyone but them. RAAAAGGGE!

I would have a much bigger problem with someone selling war medals, that they didn't earn, than someone selling a stupid sword from a stupid* painting contest.


*Actual painting contest might not be stupid, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things....the sword is still stupid.

 Bat Manuel wrote:

I would have a much bigger problem with someone selling war medals, that they didn't earn, than someone selling a stupid sword...

But to sell a medal that one didn't earn, either the earner or the earner's family had to first sell it.

Should only the recipient and his heirs be able to sell it and the buyer not be able to resell it?
or
Should the earner not be allowed to sell it at all?

It's a slippery slope....

 Bat Manuel wrote:
I think the title of this thread is funny.

According to the slayer sword winner, selling it on ebay is not against his moral code. It might be against the OPs or other people's, but that doesn't mean anything to anyone but them. RAAAAGGGE!

I would have a much bigger problem with someone selling war medals, that they didn't earn, than someone selling a stupid sword from a stupid* painting contest.


*Actual painting contest might not be stupid, but it doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things....the sword is still stupid.

At the point when they're things you purchased, they're essentially artefacts. With the exception of my Grandfather's stuff, all of mine are like that. Hell, I have a Soviet WW2 medal in my collection. You'd have a problem with me selling that? (RAAAAGE?) If you're talking about a family selling their son/husband's/grandfather's medals, I guess there are a whole lot of reasons people might do that - some very reasonable and some less so. Again, not my problem by the time something hits my hands.


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Eilif wrote:
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But to sell a medal that one didn't earn, either the earner or the earner's family had to first sell it.

Should only the recipient and his heirs be able to sell it and the buyer not be able to resell it?
or
Should the earner not be allowed to sell it at all?

It's a slippery slope....

And then you have the question - what about medals or awards that were taken as war booty (looted from fallen enemies), or sold off by families that wanted nothing to do with what the medals or the iconography on them represents? - eg think German WWII Medals with Nazi imagery on them. Eastern Bloc medals with Communist iconography on them, etc.

 scipio.au wrote:
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Eilif wrote:
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But to sell a medal that one didn't earn, either the earner or the earner's family had to first sell it.
Should only the recipient and his heirs be able to sell it and the buyer not be able to resell it?
or
Should the earner not be allowed to sell it at all?
It's a slippery slope....

And then you have the question - what about medals or awards that were taken as war booty (looted from fallen enemies), or sold off by families that wanted nothing to do with what the medals or the iconography on them represents? - eg think German WWII Medals with Nazi imagery on them. Eastern Bloc medals with Communist iconography on them, etc.

That's a good point. I forgot about war booty. I've got some that my Grandfather took in WW2. From what I hear, WW2 German stuff is big business in collectors circles. Putting aside the iconography issue, (that's a thread in itself) are there moral arguments being made against buying and selling those items?

But I digress.
I think the point many of us are making is that once you take a moral argument against selling awards to it's logical conclusions it begins to fall apart.

I agree with the point - that's why I initially brought up medals and fossils - as in the scheme of things their importance is a little higher (IMO) than a painting award. As a (very casual) collector of both, I don't have an issue with the fact that I can buy them, but as mentioned in the earlier post, I have a real WTF moment when holding one of them in my hand and re-realising just what it is and/or represents. A lot "heavier" than a cool-looking painting trophy.

I posted this already under the GD UK thread.
Thanks to Pacific for pointing me here! Restecp!

Most of you know that Karol Rudyk, the winner of the Slayer Sword UK 2012, sold his sword on ebay for 600$.

Many of you do not know why yet. In short, Karol - a passionate sword collector - thought the sword was a cheap Chinese piece of "§$%. He asked me to write up an article on his feelings. I think its a good read (although now you kinda now the jist of the story. Spoiler Alert! )

I'm not sure that this is a question of morals. He won the award, it's his, and if he wants to sell it, he can.

The extra information from Zaphod's article still doesn't change that argument, it does however, give more information on why he's selling it; good luck to him I say. However, Z's article does reinforce the GW strategy of producing shoddily-made products that people will fall over themselves to buy...

Who cares?

If you win a Victoria Cross or Medal of Honour and sell it, power to you. You still won the award and not feeling like you need to prove it is only admirable.

Nobby Stiles sold off his World Cup winners medal so that his family could live more comfortably. Nobodies disrespected him for it because it just isn't an issue.

If you win a cheap sword from GW and some idiot wants to pay you hundreds for it, cash in.

Piffs' final thought: so it's great to see so many strong views about it and as always common sense prevails in that a person is free to do what the want with their property and its reassuring to know that it's still wrong to sleep with your sister. Take care of each other and don't put dice in your mouth you might choke

If he was disappointed with the sword he got, I don't blame him for getting rid of it. Also, who cares if somebody buys it and tries to claim it as their own-if they have any actual painted WH models around, chances are they won't be GD quality, and everyone who sees will know they're a jackass. Friends will tell them to cut it out and quit pretending, cuz it makes them look like a tool, and people who aren't friends with the person will tell them worse and then avoid them. Claiming to have won it without doing so is VERY easy to disprove, and it'll turn the person in a gaming-circle pariah (not the recently deceased Necron kind either). So let a prick claim to have won the sword he bought-he'll suffer in his circle, very, very badly.

I'm going to choose to believe that he had no idea how to paint until he decided he wanted a Slayer Sword.
Disappointed, he is now training for the 100m, because he thinks Olympic medals are pretty sweet looking.

 Davylove21 wrote:
If you win a Victoria Cross or Medal of Honour and sell it, power to you. You still won the award and not feeling like you need to prove it is only admirable.

Nobby Stiles sold off his World Cup winners medal so that his family could live more comfortably. Nobodies disrespected him for it because it just isn't an issue.

If you win a cheap sword from GW and some idiot wants to pay you hundreds for it, cash in.

Going to be a pedant here and point out it is illegal to sell the Medal of Honor.



It is a little disappointing how often people sell things that are supposed to be personal tokens of recognition or honour. I've seen it come up on the news when people sell their Keys to the City or their Order of <X Nation> honours. In the scheme of things, a Slayer Sword is incredibly minor.

6000 euros isn't chump change. You can buy a used car for that much. I could care less if he wants to sell it. If he's asking 6000 EU, I'm sure he needs it quick.

I didn't know it was illegal to sell the MOH. Interesting. I'm assuming the ones they use in movies are either theatrical props, or borrowed from someone then? Clint Eastwood played a Marine who had earned the MOH, and he had the ribbon, but no medal, even though you're obliged to wear it with Blues even if you wouldn't normally wear full medals.

Well, you can get replicas of anything. Medals aren't hard, and I assume there's a whole sub-industry of replica military medals, rank and unit badges, uniforms and other memorabilia easily accessible by anyone in the entertainment industry.

Not wanting to go through the mess of dealing with the government to replace his medals, I purchased all my dads medals from official suppliers, no questions asked.

Blog post with the sword winners reasoning: http://masterminis.blogspot.de/2012/10/slayer-sword-winner-speaks-out.html

Yup, as mentions, a sword collector who after seeing one, knew he had to get it. The swords use to be made by British company. In 2012, the year this guy won, GW switched to a cheaper outfit in China. Cheap piece of crap.

Maybe hes selling it to buy a new army!...