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Pretty simple. With the huge thread about allowing FW in tournaments the topic of it keeping people from attending a tournament or not came up several times. I was curious as to what actually does or will keep them from attending a tournament. While not a strictly scientific poll it will be nice data to see and I couldn't find a previous version of this poll, especially 6th edition.

No tournaments where i live! ...... Damn Islands!

Mission Design. Too many tournaments, to my mind, try to 'fix' things they believe are in need of fixing. Leave well alone and use book missions, I say.

Distance. I don't mind whether a tournament allows Forge World or not, my main problem is being a student and my lack of ability to travel.

Cost of attendance to include travel and stay

Distance as well. Gas prices have wrecked our household budget and my favorite store (Game Empire) is 70 miles away (140 round trip or about $50 in gas). I would come every single time if it was closer.

I got spoiled before I moved to Cali with my FLGS being right down the street...

While I'm pretty much up for anything when it comes to format for a 40k tournament. The "character" of players that frequent any given LGS is often the deciding factor on whether or not I attend a tournament. The chance of being paired up with an opponent who simply isn't fun to play against, for any number of reasons, will keep me from traveling whatever distance. I'm aware that I'm certainly missing some good opponents and possible friends. But with my luck, it isn't worth the aggrivation.

I chose other; I hate rule lawyers and tournaments are just places for them to thrive and ruin the game for me. I dont play to face 'good opponents' i play for fun with my friends and for painting purposes. I actually dont like the 40k game, not as dynamic as I'd like it to be and it leaves many armies unbalanced/crippled due to length between updates.

Having to deal with the WAAC players and dice throwers. No thanks. I'll stick to FLGS RTTs and gaming groups.

Allowance of unpainted Minis and lack of an event FAQ.

Poll needs more options. Lack of painting and softscores being on there is two of the hotly debated reasons people don't like formats.

 Riker210 wrote:
I chose other; I hate rule lawyers and tournaments are just places for them to thrive and ruin the game for me. I dont play to face 'good opponents' i play for fun with my friends and for painting purposes. I actually dont like the 40k game, not as dynamic as I'd like it to be and it leaves many armies unbalanced/crippled due to length between updates.

How many rules lawyers have you actually run into at tournaments? Most people who debate rules online do not at tournaments.

I chose other. My major limiter is that I can really only hit one one-day event per month due to family requirements. Other than that, I would do any kind of event.

nkelsch wrote:
Allowance of unpainted Minis and lack of an event FAQ.

Poll needs more options. Lack of painting and softscores being on there is two of the hotly debated reasons people don't like formats.

Updates with those thanks.

You forgot boredom. Gamer fatigue. 6th edition in general. Blech.

 Dok wrote:
You forgot boredom. Gamer fatigue. 6th edition in general. Blech.

6th edition was an option.

Perhaps I should have included inability to adapt to a new edition? Then again I could have said jumping ship for warmahordes and finding it to be a difficult transition. But I can't tailor the poll specifically for my friends

As a caveat to everyone reading that; Dok and I know each other in real life and play each other at our FLGS, all that was in jest between to real life friends.

@Dok: 6th edition is up there.

I voted type of player... it's the only thing that would truly keep me from attending an event. Distance, comp or no comp, etc hasn't stopped me before, and won't in the future for events I really want to attend.

Well then, I will happily vote! Also, inability to adapt is one of my key features. It's why I still play NES games.

I'm really curious about the 'rules lawyer' 'type of player' answers... Do you guys really run into that many donkeycaves at tournaments or is it a 'I heard they would be there' kind of thing?

 Dok wrote:
Well then, I will happily vote! Also, inability to adapt is one of my key features. It's why I still play NES games.

It's the superiority of early gaming platforms games that you play them. Never admit the inability to adapt in that case. NEWS and SNES > Anything put out today. Sorry I am derailing my own thread again aren't I?

Also, the combination of lack of interest and distance makes for a cruel mistress. If I lived closer to a worthwhile game store, I would probably drag my ass out of bed to throw some dice regardless of my feelings about the system. I paid for all these minis and I want to use them... and I do like bull-s***ting with my friends regardless of how rude they are on the internet. However, the 30 minute drive and the cost of gas on a saturday morning keeps me in bed now more often than not.

I'm prolly just getting old.

 Dok wrote:
Also, the combination of lack of interest and distance makes for a cruel mistress. If I lived closer to a worthwhile game store, I would probably drag my ass out of bed to throw some dice regardless of my feelings about the system. I paid for all these minis and I want to use them... and I do like bull-s***ting with my friends regardless of how rude they are on the internet. However, the 30 minute drive and the cost of gas on a saturday morning keeps me in bed now more often than not.

I'm prolly just getting old.

Guilty as charged! Or were you not talking about me? I'll take it either way. I thought you lived like 20 minutes from the store, is 30 that far to you? I would drive an hour if I had to, luckily I don't have to.

 pretre wrote:
I'm really curious about the 'rules lawyer' 'type of player' answers... Do you guys really run into that many donkeycaves at tournaments or is it a 'I heard they would be there' kind of thing?

It could be what I hear about an event- particularly the group/club running it, as they set the tone. The ones I was thinking of were from personal experience, though- knowing the players attending it / club running it from past tournies.

Vast majority are fine, but there are a few I will avoid, and is the only thing that would truly keep me from considering an event.

For something amazing like Adepticon, I may go to great lengths to attend! Schedule is unfortunately the most limiting factor for me.

 RiTides wrote:

 pretre wrote:
I'm really curious about the 'rules lawyer' 'type of player' answers... Do you guys really run into that many donkeycaves at tournaments or is it a 'I heard they would be there' kind of thing?

My case is what I hear about an event- particularly the group/club running it, as they set the tone.

Vast majority are fine, but there are a few I will avoid, and is the only thing that would truly keep me from considering an event.

For something amazing like Adepticon, I may go to great lengths to attend! Schedule is unfortunately the most limiting factor for me.

I find a well-documented comprehensive FAQ really cuts down on the number of incidents because all of the potential angles and arguments or explotive tactics have been 'pre-settled' one way or another and regardless how you feel, it is settled before it becomes a mid-game debate. Even the biggest rule lawyer can't argue on with an event FAQ as the call has been made. When there is a lack of clear direction and the disagreements happen mid-game, that is when events spiral out of control with fights.

That is why good FAQ or avenue to pre-clarify rulings is almost a requirement for events for me as it usually prevents any incidents.

Simply - Painted Models.

I'm a very slow converter and painter, and I hardly ever just leave models stock. Why does this stop me attending you may ask?

Well simply, I'm of the opinion armies in tournaments should be painted, even if I rarely do it myself.

It's a weird snobbery, normal games it bothers me not a jot.

Allowing Forgeworld, and not dicking around with too many house rules are always a + for me.

Allowance of none GW models all my finished tournament armies include none GW armies. My Zulu IG arguably my best finished army is actually impractical due to being an Infantry Horde army and therefore unfair to my opponents.

It's generally a combination of things for me. I try to attend events monthly (generally RTT's) with between 4-6 GT's a year. So I obviously enjoy going out and playing with toy soldiers. I generally support any GT event within driving distance for it's first year just to give it a go. If it's poorly run, poorly organized, or just plain poor I likely will avoid it in the future in exchange for an event I'd need to travel too. If it's an intermediate distance (i.e. 2ish+ hours away) then I consider the number or quality of player who might be attending.

It really does depend on the situation. We're just heavily spoiled for choice round here. It's interesting actually that what I used to have in Cali really started up crazy here in Minnesota but with more GT's I can get too

I go to so many tournaments that I'm pretty easy to please

I don't think 6th is very balanced in terms of shooty/assault and armies in general.

There needs to be an accepted tournament ruleset with more thought put into balance than "add allies...well allies that we let you add."

 Hulksmash wrote:
It's generally a combination of things for me. I try to attend events monthly (generally RTT's) with between 4-6 GT's a year. So I obviously enjoy going out and playing with toy soldiers. I generally support any GT event within driving distance for it's first year just to give it a go. If it's poorly run, poorly organized, or just plain poor I likely will avoid it in the future in exchange for an event I'd need to travel too. If it's an intermediate distance (i.e. 2ish+ hours away) then I consider the number or quality of player who might be attending.

It really does depend on the situation. We're just heavily spoiled for choice round here. It's interesting actually that what I used to have in Cali really started up crazy here in Minnesota but with more GT's I can get too

I go to so many tournaments that I'm pretty easy to please

I just wish I had the time to be as involved as you. I still live in So. Cal and the choices around here really are amazing. The one thing I don't like is our bigger GT style events tend to be soft score heavy and I am not a fan of that.

I voted distance because that is one of the main reasons I don't attend tournaments, but the other bigger reason I don't wasn't listed: Painting Requirement. I am all for having at least a three color minimum, but with my own inability to paint (I'm currently paying two others to paint my models) that more so than anything else keeps me from attending any sort of tournament event.

The 6th ed rules set for me. Guess I have a reason to dust off the fantasy army now.