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I selected "Other". I don't attend more tournaments because I have too much other gak to do, mostly involving my wife and her family.

 pretre wrote:
I'm really curious about the 'rules lawyer' 'type of player' answers... Do you guys really run into that many donkeycaves at tournaments or is it a 'I heard they would be there' kind of thing?

When I played Star Wars CCG, yes. Oh my god, yes.

I've never played a 40k Tournament.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Dok wrote:
Also, the combination of lack of interest and distance makes for a cruel mistress. If I lived closer to a worthwhile game store, I would probably drag my ass out of bed to throw some dice regardless of my feelings about the system. I paid for all these minis and I want to use them... and I do like bull-s***ting with my friends regardless of how rude they are on the internet. However, the 30 minute drive and the cost of gas on a saturday morning keeps me in bed now more often than not.

I'm prolly just getting old.

Guilty as charged! Or were you not talking about me? I'll take it either way. I thought you lived like 20 minutes from the store, is 30 that far to you? I would drive an hour if I had to, luckily I don't have to.

It builds up over time. I work 10ish minutes from the store and that's a 45+ minute drive from my house in traffic. I just get tired of driving to pasadena. I might make it to the one tomorrow, but I've been saying that a lot lately, haha. You also have more commitment to the cause than most, John.

I said other. Usually it's not distance, or paint, or anything like that. Usually it's just because I suck. Horribly. Like, I suck so bad that it just wouldn't be fun for me to end up getting steam-rolled at a tourny. Even a friendly one. Hahahahaha

I suck too - I think I've finished above the middle one time. But I always have fun even getting steamrolled.

This should have been multiple choice...

Sportsmanship and painting scores in final decision, the WAAC TFGs that tend to show, and spam lists are what woild keep me out of tournaments.

How would you determine the "spam list" criteria, SoloFalcon? Knowledge of attendees who are likely to show up, and what they usually run?

For me its the people. Don't get me wrong I'm a nerd, but some of these people look like they've been living in their moms basement for the last 30 years and never had a girlfriend, and I have yet to meet any female wargamers. On top of all that I love my cigarettes, and most places are non-smoking.

My perfect tournament would be the 'go play a bunch of games against new armies and people you've never met over the course of a weekend and have a laugh.'

I suppose a 'campaign weekend' would fit my tastes more, but they're not too common.

I do think it's possible to have that kind of game in a tournament, but if you win your first match or two, you're kinda stuck.

In my first proper tournament, I won my first game handedly, then ran into an ETC player (I think?), got crushed, then played a normal guy, won, then ran into an ETC team captain, got crushed, then played a semi-normal guy who was a bit better than me - Sadly he was a bit of waac-ey.

So yeah, it didn't quite work out really. I can't help but think I was basically wasting the ETC guys time

 Dok wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Dok wrote:
Also, the combination of lack of interest and distance makes for a cruel mistress. If I lived closer to a worthwhile game store, I would probably drag my ass out of bed to throw some dice regardless of my feelings about the system. I paid for all these minis and I want to use them... and I do like bull-s***ting with my friends regardless of how rude they are on the internet. However, the 30 minute drive and the cost of gas on a saturday morning keeps me in bed now more often than not.

I'm prolly just getting old.

Guilty as charged! Or were you not talking about me? I'll take it either way. I thought you lived like 20 minutes from the store, is 30 that far to you? I would drive an hour if I had to, luckily I don't have to.

It builds up over time. I work 10ish minutes from the store and that's a 45+ minute drive from my house in traffic. I just get tired of driving to pasadena. I might make it to the one tomorrow, but I've been saying that a lot lately, haha. You also have more commitment to the cause than most, John.

I won't be there tomorrow. 3 week old baby and all, I would rather . I am not sure if the last bit is a compliment or not

People. Bad luck makes for a humorous anecdote. Bad balance can be adapted to or embraced. One turd in the punch bowl, however, ruins the party for everyone and kills attendance for up and commingle events. I am pretty tolerant but once my limit is hit, I avoid events with a person who exceeds it because even if I do not have to play them it bothers me watching them pushing others around.

Pretty much only outright cheaters get on my personal ban list, but those engaging in threats of violence also count. Right now there are three people who will make me avoid an event and they all know who they are and why. The only reason they turn up at tournaments is no one will play them willingly otherwise, for the most part.

Rules change and different areas trend differently, but cheating dbags never change their stripes and are a blight on the game that prevents newer people from staying.

6th ed. It's so poorly written, i have 0 interest in pursuing in any sort of competitive format, at least until flyers have a check on them.

 pretre wrote:
Do you guys really run into that many donkeycaves at tournaments or is it a 'I heard they would be there' kind of thing?

Perhaps its just my own peronal curse of terrible luck, But if there is anyone who is NEVER FUN to play against at a tournament, I'll end up facing them at some point.

#1 Had a guy that insisted on picking up my models that were casualties and tossing them to my side the table. Asked him not to do that the first time, and got rather ticked off when he did it again. TO sided with him and gave me a poor sportsmanship penalty, Won't be back.

#2 Had a Deathwing player take out all of my SoB rhino's in one turn back in 3rd. Threw an absolute full on 5 minute fit that I was moving behind them where he couldn't see. "I blew them up there on purpose". Love the Venue, but if he's at an event, I won't be.

#3 Spectators watching a game berate me the entire time for not taking wargear on my Tac squad sergeants. TO's response was to support his opinion, and then join in berating me about how dumb it was. Won the tournament despite Sgt's with bp/ccw, took their prizes, wont be back.

#4 Was at a tournament where you could only win best Army if you had a "FULLY" painted army, and hadn't won any other awards. Watched the only player who fit that category, a nine year old with some very respectable Blood Drinkers that I could personlly verify he painted himself, lose out to an Ork player who had one painted boss and "the rest of his army was primed black, thats painted.... Players agreed with it, TO did too. Won't be back.

There are others, sadly too many to remember all of the specifics. I'm a firm believer in people, if they show you they are a dishonest jackwagon who will do all they can to piss in your cheerio's, you should read their sign and believe it.

Disallowance of FW by far. Without my FW units I don't have a legal army, and I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars and months of painting time on models I don't like just so a TO with delusions of grandeur can have the fun of banning anything they don't like.

(I have just as much dislike for people who run comp events, but thankfully those are completely absent in my area.)

OverwatchCNC wrote: I won't be there tomorrow. 3 week old baby and all, I would rather . I am not sure if the last bit is a compliment or not

Take it as you will, haha.

@Dracpanzer: It sounds like you have horrible TO's. I would not want to participate in those events either. Fortunately, I haven't had the misfortune to run in to an event like that.

I would stay clear of a tourney that used soft scores as part of the scoring, unless they were completely separate categories with separate prizes.

 Lord Sludge wrote:
For me its the people. Don't get me wrong I'm a nerd, but some of these people look like they've been living in their moms basement for the last 30 years and never had a girlfriend, and I have yet to meet any female wargamers. On top of all that I love my cigarettes, and most places are non-smoking.

Funny story. I've found that I see a lot fewer basement dwelling rejects at GTs than at a random game store. My average GT opponent has been, like myself a married 30 to 45 year old professional who just wants to relax, have a few beers, and play with his toy soldiers for a weekend. The win at all costs douchebags don't want to be bothered with paint scoring, sportsmanship scoring, travel, hotel rooms, or anything other than putting theei unpainted plastic on a Ralm of Battle board to stomp high school kid at the local GW.

I've yet to play a tournament in 6th, and I'm not sure I will. The idea of coming up against TFG in the new rules set, really puts me off. The new edition is complicated, I don't know it very well, and there are lots of "gotcha" bits in the rules, even playing against a friend. Playing a few casual games has been Ok, but I need to have a very firm grasp of the rules when I'm up against some stranger who may or may not be cool. Plus, there is a whole layer of FAQs on top of the rules that you need to know. An opponent who wants to play fast and loose for their own benefit has plenty of opportunity to do so, especially with forge world in the mix.

To qualify my answer. I put down disallowing forgeworld as the number one thing because there are no tournaments around me and my work schedule does not give me days off that I could go to a tournament. Any event I want to attened has to be well planned out and I have to take time off of work and spend a bunch of money to participate in them. So the real thing that keeps me from going is distance but when I look at the events if I am going to spend the time and money to attend than I want to attend one that plays the game as close to the rule book as possible so I want all of the random terrain and objectives and such. I also very much want to bring what ever toys I want to play with from my collection and I have a lot of forgeworld.

When I lived where there were events and gaming on a regular basis and I had a lot more disposable income I was not a choosy about what I did, but now that an event is most of the actual gameplay I get to do I want it to be worth the time and money.

When I ran events I allowed forgeworld and tried to stay close to the rules because I found that people had more fun that way.

I voted cost.

I just entered for a tournie in March next year, was $30 because of early bird and because I entered before.

However, will be about $80 in petrol round trip, then theres accomadation for two nights, food etc. It all adds up, probably end up being a good $250 trip.

I voted the type of player but wow that doesn't even begin to cover it. I can't stand the WAAC mentality tournaments bring out, the spam lists and rules lawyering. This game is meant to be played for fun not for tournaments. The rules are not written for tournaments or the whole RAI v. RAW would never exist. There would not be the ridiculous amount of inconsistancies and armies would be more balanced. FAQ's would be updated etc.

Now I am not knocking people for wanting to play in tournaments, the game is awesome and some people want to take it to the next level. I get it. I have tried it myself but I realized that GW ruleset is not appropriate for competitive play. I feel there are other games better suited to tournaments and I would rather play those games in a competitive environment.

I only really play in tournaments, have never really played against a WAAC player, rarely have game stopping rules arguments (and those last all of 30 seconds) and I can remember 1 game in the last year I did not have fun playing.

Maybe it's just my area is good, but I feel like the horrible player tournament scene is more made up and Internet rumor than actual experience.

Edit: or maybe it only happens at the "higher level" tournaments?

Work is the main thing that stops me from getting to tournies.

rigeld2 wrote:
I only really play in tournaments, have never really played against a WAAC player, rarely have game stopping rules arguments (and those last all of 30 seconds) and I can remember 1 game in the last year I did not have fun playing.

Maybe it's just my area is good, but I feel like the horrible player tournament scene is more made up and Internet rumor than actual experience.

Edit: or maybe it only happens at the "higher level" tournaments?

I have never done a "higher level" tournament just the small local store ones and that is where I experience the WAAC people. I don;t usually run into long rules arguments though as the tournament crowd are the type that really study the rules.

I've actually had more problems at smaller events, as well. I feel like once you've paid a lot of money to play in a GT, stay in the hotel, etc etc... everyone just mellows out a bit and also wants to get their money's worth and have a good time.

Vast majority of events are fine, btw! But particularly when things like 'Ard Boyz were going on (free event, no painting requirement, not necessarily a lot of organization depending on the site... all the makings of a bad experience!) there were a few places I knew not to go.

But I've never had a truly bad experience at a GT. Even one tough game I did have a misunderstanding with my opponent in, we resolved it afterwards and put it behind us, and I now think he's an awesome guy

Morale of the story for me... attend high quality, well-organized events, and you likely won't have any problems!

Only Tournament i have been to is at my local FLGS, the best we had was 9 people at once. But its distance that stops me. I cant afford to take a weekend off because of schoolwork. And because i hate dealing witth lists that are WAAC.

the people, 6th ed... they're usually too expensive and since I don't powergame i haven't a chance in hell in winning any prizes
so I waste a day playing games, most if all of which aren't fun, waste lord knows how much money
all for nothing
rather sit home and order a pizza and watch a b movie

I know, In one of those tournements i mentioned, someone said i wasnt a real player because i dont play across state lines for tourneys.
I mean he wwas nice about it, but still that kinda stung.

I don't think you'd get that at a GT- the only problem players I've run into were at RTTs.

I do it to get fun games in and as a goal to build armies toward I don't have to win.

I said cost, but for me that also is included with how far to get there, this is also bundled into when. So the cost of my time and money, since say Adepticon is on the other side of the US from me and is in April. I'm still in college, don't have much money, and it's a long way from here.