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 RiTides wrote:
I don't think you'd get that at a GT- the only problem players I've run into were at RTTs.

I do it to get fun games in and as a goal to build armies toward I don't have to win.

TBH i think he was ticked at me, When i meant to compliment his army, I insulted it, I meant to say "Mine is nothing compared to his" and i jumbled up some words and said the exact opposite.
But then again, he gave me pointers at the end how to i could have beat his army.

I said unpainted armies. However lots of factors come into play. Cost is a close second. WAAC types don't tend to be an issue for me due to the natural equilibrium that exists after round 2+. Having said that I would never attend a GT type event. I love the throne of skulls format because its a tourney with all the annoying bits removed. I don't think I've ever regretted going to a tourney though. The last 5th ed one I ran my Tau, and after facing horde orks... was so happy 5th was over it was untrue!

My dice!

Or maybe, my ability to roll them? Because they always seem to end up as any other number than I need at the moment.

I think with 6th edition GW has finally admitted they don't know how to balance all of their varied rules, so they have stopped trying. It will be interesting to observe the local tourney scene to see what type of meta emerges in regards to what will and won't be allowed (rules-wise) - can you imagine how annoying it would be to have a 'fluff' item (for example, rolling for the dangers that await in EVERY PIECE OF TERRAIN that you enter) bone your plan?

Looking forward to learning what the internet consensus is on what rules will be allowed and what won't.

Allowance of unpainted models, and I'm happy to see that a few others are out there that agree with me. I've always thought that players should run unpainted models and proxies leading up to a tournament to test army lists, get a feel for their list, etc. But the actual tournament is supposed to be when you bring your finished product to the battlefield. I'll get my arse handed to me over the course of a tournament, so after I'm tabled on the third turn I usually have a half hour before the next round and I like to walk around and take a look at the other armies involved to check out neat conversions and perhaps learn a new painting technique. I've found that it's easier to have a good conversation with a stranger at a tournament over a neat conversion in their army rather than debating interpretations in the rulebook.

I voted "Other" as I feel that the increased focus on winning moves 40K away from the game it is intended to be, ie a fun time between two friends.

Where is the section for flying units not in your codex/flying units period?

Looking at your storm talon

Obviously location and cost are major hurdles for events as well as time.....but all that being equal, and I could afford any tournament at anytime, the biggest deterant for me would be allowing non-painted armies to participate.

I think unpainted stuff should be for pick up games, painted armies for tournaments.

That being said, even though Ard Boyz allowed unpainted models, that was my favorite tournament/format to date(even though fighting against grey plastic hordes really grated on my nerves). Hopefully Feast of Blades takes off and becomes a similar style event.

Drama school. On Saturdays when my tourneys mostly are.

Zeork33 wrote:
Drama school. On Saturdays when my tourneys mostly are.

If you went to a tournament you could totally practice your "Drama." I bet you could get other people to as well.

I'll be honest with you, I don't always like the idea of people bringing Forgeworld units into a game. That's a friendly, noncompetitive game, mind you. Basically unless I already know you as a player or am very familiar with the unit you intend to bring I'm not going to be thrilled about it, because I don't believe the FW unit selections are balanced in terms of what is available to what army. Biased towards IG, etc.

But the biggest reason I don't attend most tournaments? The players who tend to gravitate there. I don't play this game to win, to brag, or to pwn people. I play it for fun. Arguing rules to the point where the English language fails and otherwise pure intentions to gather and enjoy a game become twisted into an opportunity to browbeat your opponent with fuzzy logic and superior manipulation of the rules is not my idea of fun. Especially if said players / opponents have a real bad attitude in the process.

I like to play tournaments so that I can test myself against competitive opponents even though I run themed lists and have never even won anything besides "best painted" or whatever.

The only thing that would stop me from playing a tournament is if it has those goddamned Death World scenarios.

Sorry, but losing ALL of my troops to poisonous flora/fauna while nothing significant happens to my opponent is not my idea of fun

It depends on the level of tournament, if its a GT I'm going, if it a RTT, then it depends on the location. The other then about FW.......dam cry babies....it part of the game and it here to stay...told you so.

The reason I don't play in Tournaments is simply because I don't find them fun. The point of a tournament is to win, which means people generally will build a list which is meant to completely stomp the opponent versus having a list that was made with fluff/story in mind. Personally that's not my idea of fun, although I know it is for many others (otherwise tournaments wouldn't exist) and that's fine... just not for me.

Travel, I need to go through a highway triangle to get to the closest place.

 Boneblade wrote:
I'll be honest with you, I don't always like the idea of people bringing Forgeworld units into a game. That's a friendly, noncompetitive game, mind you. Basically unless I already know you as a player or am very familiar with the unit you intend to bring I'm not going to be thrilled about it, because I don't believe the FW unit selections are balanced in terms of what is available to what army. Biased towards IG, etc.

But the biggest reason I don't attend most tournaments? The players who tend to gravitate there. I don't play this game to win, to brag, or to pwn people. I play it for fun. Arguing rules to the point where the English language fails and otherwise pure intentions to gather and enjoy a game become twisted into an opportunity to browbeat your opponent with fuzzy logic and superior manipulation of the rules is not my idea of fun. Especially if said players / opponents have a real bad attitude in the process.

Yeah. I completely agree.

 Boneblade wrote:


But the biggest reason I don't attend most tournaments? The players who tend to gravitate there. I don't play this game to win, to brag, or to pwn people.

Then why do you put your win loss record in your sig? Not trying to be a jerk, just seems like the opposite of what you said. Lots of people think everyone else is a TFG but fail to notice how they are approaching a situation in the first place.

So many reasons.

Not a WAAC player. Can never be familiar with all codices. Don't like typical wargamers very much. Would hate to have models stolen. Hate transporting models. Don't like the game enough to go through set up more than once a day.

Most of all, it's the people.

 Davylove21 wrote:
So many reasons. (...)
Most of all, it's the people.

This.

 BladeWalker wrote:
Distance as well. Gas prices have wrecked our household budget and my favorite store (Game Empire) is 70 miles away (140 round trip or about $50 in gas). I would come every single time if it was closer.

I got spoiled before I moved to Cali with my FLGS being right down the street...

Even at $4.50 a gallon (the average price per gallon in CA), you'd have to be getting 14 mpg or so for it to cost you $50 round trip. With an average gas mileage of 25, which most 6 or 7 year old cars, if not better, you're looking at $25 for 140 miles. If you get better gas mileage, it's even cheaper.

Maybe you drive a huge, Texas sized truck (I swear there are more Ford F250s out there than F150s), you're exaggerating your point.

For me, it's a matter of the kind of people that are there. I've met some really cool guys at the couple of tournaments I've played in, but some players simply ruin the experience and take this game way too seriously. For them, it's all about winning and not about having fun.

I doubt any of us would go to a tournament with the explicit desire to lose, but there's only one winner, so the odds are against you. You might as well have fun and look at winning as a bonus.

If I were to go to a tournament again, I probably would go with the explicit desire to lose my first game. As I mentioned earlier, that's my theory on how to avoid being matched against people who are clearly a million times better at the game than me.

Which sorta goes back to my starting question, any tips on how to look for events that aren't tournaments, but are just 'play a load of games against new folk over a weekend?'

 kcwm wrote:

 BladeWalker wrote:
Distance as well. Gas prices have wrecked our household budget and my favorite store (Game Empire) is 70 miles away (140 round trip or about $50 in gas). I would come every single time if it was closer.

I got spoiled before I moved to Cali with my FLGS being right down the street...

Even at $4.50 a gallon (the average price per gallon in CA), you'd have to be getting 14 mpg or so for it to cost you $50 round trip. With an average gas mileage of 25, which most 6 or 7 year old cars, if not better, you're looking at $25 for 140 miles. If you get better gas mileage, it's even cheaper.

Maybe you drive a huge, Texas sized truck (I swear there are more Ford F250s out there than F150s), you're exaggerating your point.

For me, it's a matter of the kind of people that are there. I've met some really cool guys at the couple of tournaments I've played in, but some players simply ruin the experience and take this game way too seriously. For them, it's all about winning and not about having fun.

I doubt any of us would go to a tournament with the explicit desire to lose, but there's only one winner, so the odds are against you. You might as well have fun and look at winning as a bonus.

I am pretty sure he drives a big truck. He goes to my FLGS for tournaments, I am familiar with his drive which often times has at least 2 spots of stop and go traffic. This is Los Angeles we are talking about exageration is not required when talking about fuel prices, traffic, distances, and travel time

I may have exaggerated a bit but we have a Town and Country and it gets crappy gas mileage especially when you have to climb the big ass hill from where I live up and over into the valley and beyond. LIke Overwatch said, you never know when the 101 will be a parking lot.

If we had 2 or 3 other Ventura/Oxnard area guys we could carpool but in my experience so far everyone who lives up my way is a garage gamer because of the perceived TFG syndrome this poll is showing.

(I blame Overwatch for being a WAAC TFG)

 BladeWalker wrote:
I may have exaggerated a bit but we have a Town and Country and it gets crappy gas mileage especially when you have to climb the big ass hill from where I live up and over into the valley and beyond. LIke Overwatch said, you never know when the 101 will be a parking lot.

If we had 2 or 3 other Ventura/Oxnard area guys we could carpool but in my experience so far everyone who lives up my way is a garage gamer because of the perceived TFG syndrome this poll is showing.

(I blame Overwatch for being a WAAC TFG)

This is clearly the problem across the board. I should have put "OverwatchCNC" as one of the options in the poll.

On a serious note that "hill", read mountain, is a huge gas guzzler. I used to make the trek out that way quite often for various reasons and I hated watching the mileage counter on my car when we went up that hill in either direction. Plus the 101 is terrible, and the 405, and the 134, oh and the 210 when it's a Saturday the Bruins are playing, and the 5. I hate LA traffic.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
I hate LA traffic.

Why do think I live clear up here! (Well that and I could not afford to live on the beach in LA county )

On topic: I am very surprised that the biggest reason is people at tournaments. I've played in a few GT's and lots of local stuff in different cities over the years and never had a problem. If you don't think there are very many TFG's does that mean you are one of them?!??! (looks around nervously)

In my opinion, when people make the step from local store gaming or garage gaming to tournaments they have the "big fish, small pond" feeling go away that they are probably used to. I know that I got my ass handed to me and was a little upset about it when I started tournaments. I still lose more than I win but I have no expectations because I build my armies on theme (or what I feel like painting). I think if I was more competitive and tried to "run with the big dogs" that win most of the battle points I'd get very little from tournaments. But I feel that I genuinely go just to have a good time and get in some games. Less expectations = less stress and less chance of accusing your opponent of TFG behavior.

TFG.

re: nes/snes, agreed. the only games i play on my phone are snes roms. i have two super nintendos and a nes upstairs, too.

I only take part in smaller tournaments.

My main reason is the stupid arms race you have to take part in if you want to win. You don't want to buy tons of the currently most overpowered units? TOO BAD, YOU LOSE.

I want the competitive experience but minus the WAAC I GOT SO MUCH MONEEEEEEEY crap and thus, I only play at smaller tournaments with 20- participants.

It is usually the people who attend. I've been to one (400 point alternate FOC) but I've seen people "practice" for some and watched a few tournament bat-reps. They play a bit too cut-throat for me and some even outright abuse rules. There are even a few who get into shouting matches (because whoever is louder is right apparently ). If I wanted to listen to a bunch of people take a game so seriously it no longer becomes leisure, I would go play CS:GO. Besides, I can lose against casual players just fine .

BladeWalker wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
I hate LA traffic.

Why do think I live clear up here! (Well that and I could not afford to live on the beach in LA county )

On topic: I am very surprised that the biggest reason is people at tournaments. I've played in a few GT's and lots of local stuff in different cities over the years and never had a problem. If you don't think there are very many TFG's does that mean you are one of them?!??! (looks around nervously)

In my opinion, when people make the step from local store gaming or garage gaming to tournaments they have the "big fish, small pond" feeling go away that they are probably used to. I know that I got my ass handed to me and was a little upset about it when I started tournaments. I still lose more than I win but I have no expectations because I build my armies on theme (or what I feel like painting). I think if I was more competitive and tried to "run with the big dogs" that win most of the battle points I'd get very little from tournaments. But I feel that I genuinely go just to have a good time and get in some games. Less expectations = less stress and less chance of accusing your opponent of TFG behavior.

I don't think you need to worry about being TFG when you bring fluffy lists like you do and drive as many miles as you being TFG just doesn't fit the bill. The only time we've had a problem with a guy at GE in Pasadena was a couple years ago at the first tournament of 5th when a guy from Chicago came and literally ruined a game for me and 2 other people.

hemingway wrote:TFG.

re: nes/snes, agreed. the only games i play on my phone are snes roms. i have two super nintendos and a nes upstairs, too.

NES/SNES comments FTW even if it's off topic!

 BladeWalker wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
I hate LA traffic.

If you don't think there are very many TFG's does that mean you are one of them?!??! (looks around nervously)

This is possible but you could also be extraordinarily patient or so use to seeing such behavior that you no longer recognize it.

I voted other. What kept me from signing up for our local tournament this weekend was the fact that I just don't feel "tournament ready" with my army. Going in and getting shelled by people with a lot more experience/competence than myself isn't something that I want to pay money for (I can do that just fine for free on game night ).