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2012/10/15 07:04:53
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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My friend and I would love for the Eldar empire to be reborn. He plays Eldar, I play Dark eldar. A couple of weeks ago, we came up with this...
The souls in the infinity circuit are currently forming a new Eldar god, Ynnead, who is hoped will defeat Slannesh and free all the souls of both eldar and dark eldar. The harlequins, who want the eldar empire to be reborn, reveal their secret for defying Slannesh, and awaken Ynnead. The shockwaves from Ynnead birth kill all the worshipers of slannesh within the eye of terror, which used to be the eldar home world. Ynnead then seeks out Slannesh, and immediatly attacks him. The battle is fierce, but in the end Ynnead cuts both of Slannesh's hands of, and then decapitates Slannesh. All members of the eldar race regain their complete souls. However, Slannesh planes for this, and on the exact moment of his death, Kills all of his remaining worshipers and deamons, so that he has enough power to reunite and posses the many shards of Khaine's shattered body. Slannesh then seeks the dark eldar, and convinces most of them he is Khaine, and that Ynnead is an imposter emmployed by the foolish craftworld eldar, and that he is the final deaf of the eldar race. Slannesh(possessing Khaine's bod) Announces that he has come to help the dark eldar destroy Ynnead along with the eldar, and become the dominate race in the galaxy. Slannesh manipulates the dark eldars vain pride to forge an army of new worshipers, while using their new-found hatred for Ynnead to form new deamons in the warp. Slanneshand his army of dark eldar and deamons wage war against Ynnead and the eldar, both sides losing tremendous amounts of men. In the end, Slannesh challenges Ynnead to melee combat, the winner becoming the unquestioned god of the eldar. Khaine overpowers Slannesh, and drives him from his body half way through the fight, leaving Slannesh to wither away and die in the material dimension.
Ynnead forgives the dark eldar for their heresy, the says they are forever dead to him, and that he will never help them again. Khaine is appointed as the dark eldars god, and watches over them, to ensure they are never again fooled by the gods of chaos.
What do you think?
Is it any good?
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"Archon Yulliptidon sat apon a throne made of polished glass, which gleamed with magnificence in the rays of the dying suns, beautifully suspended above the the many razor sharp peaks that where Commorragh. The archon held within his hands a a delicate pyramid of sculpted crystal, from which emitted a faint glow, an echo of the soundless screams of pain belonging to countless tortured souls forever trapped within. The room in which the archon sat in was something like a throne room, but displayed apon the walls where helm of every color, but all the same in size and shape. Some bore eagles on their foreheads, and others still contained the decapitated heads of their previous owners. Two huge, beautifully carved iron double doors, engraved with intricate runes of pain and suffering, opened at the far end of the room, to reveal a tall, elegant dark eldar warrior, clad in armor made from bone and flesh. "lord Yulliptidon, you asked for my presence?" Said the arrival, " to what do I owe the pleasure?". The archon raised his elongated head, skin as pale as a full moon, eyes as vivid as a horrible nightmare. " I did not ask for you, Thrayon, I ordered your presence. Do not think to much for your self, for truly, you are not much past a feral that one would find on the streets. As for why I have ordered you to my palace, it is because their is a task that I wish you to preform. I wish you and you kabal to cleanse the imperial out fort of Sargosain Gastienagan." Thrayon was both aghast and interested at what the archon had just said. "Such a task would stretch my kabal to its limits, only a great reward would be enough to do a deed like this." Yulliptidon was outraged by the the proposal of a "great reward" by Thrayon, but did not let his anger show, hiding it with a cold smile that hid his evil intentions surprisingly well. The archon was was famous for never telling a lie in his life, but was very fond of veiled double speak, and this was no exception. "Do not worry, Thrayon, you shall receive what you deserve." Thrayon, happy with this outcome, left to carry out Yulliptidons task. Little did he know what was coming. Thrayon had done a thousand evil deeds, and what he deserved was a horrible death equal to to all those he had caused. Yulliptidons smiled. He was going to have fun."
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2012/10/15 07:25:31
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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"The Harlequins summon a new god out of nowhere who rolls into the Warp and punks Slaanesh and everything connected with him. Then, Slaanesh possesses another, dead god and tricks the Dark Eldar into worshiping him. He then challenges the new god to MORTAL KOMBAT in the material realm and loses. The Dark Eldar are given a slap on the wrist and they all live happily ever after."
If your goal was to make Wardian fluff, then you succeeded quite well, but as far as actual fluff, it's pretty bad. It contradicts a lot of precedent fluff and overall just doesn't jive with the rest of the 40k Universe. I don't mean to be harsh, but it just really makes no sense at all.
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2012/10/15 08:31:06
Subject: Re:Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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Thank you!  your response really made me laugh! I needs a lot of work, and you constructive critism is welcome. Their are MASSIVE holes in the plot, and I will refine it.
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"Archon Yulliptidon sat apon a throne made of polished glass, which gleamed with magnificence in the rays of the dying suns, beautifully suspended above the the many razor sharp peaks that where Commorragh. The archon held within his hands a a delicate pyramid of sculpted crystal, from which emitted a faint glow, an echo of the soundless screams of pain belonging to countless tortured souls forever trapped within. The room in which the archon sat in was something like a throne room, but displayed apon the walls where helm of every color, but all the same in size and shape. Some bore eagles on their foreheads, and others still contained the decapitated heads of their previous owners. Two huge, beautifully carved iron double doors, engraved with intricate runes of pain and suffering, opened at the far end of the room, to reveal a tall, elegant dark eldar warrior, clad in armor made from bone and flesh. "lord Yulliptidon, you asked for my presence?" Said the arrival, " to what do I owe the pleasure?". The archon raised his elongated head, skin as pale as a full moon, eyes as vivid as a horrible nightmare. " I did not ask for you, Thrayon, I ordered your presence. Do not think to much for your self, for truly, you are not much past a feral that one would find on the streets. As for why I have ordered you to my palace, it is because their is a task that I wish you to preform. I wish you and you kabal to cleanse the imperial out fort of Sargosain Gastienagan." Thrayon was both aghast and interested at what the archon had just said. "Such a task would stretch my kabal to its limits, only a great reward would be enough to do a deed like this." Yulliptidon was outraged by the the proposal of a "great reward" by Thrayon, but did not let his anger show, hiding it with a cold smile that hid his evil intentions surprisingly well. The archon was was famous for never telling a lie in his life, but was very fond of veiled double speak, and this was no exception. "Do not worry, Thrayon, you shall receive what you deserve." Thrayon, happy with this outcome, left to carry out Yulliptidons task. Little did he know what was coming. Thrayon had done a thousand evil deeds, and what he deserved was a horrible death equal to to all those he had caused. Yulliptidons smiled. He was going to have fun."
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2012/10/15 10:13:01
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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As if the other Powers will just let this happen...Khorne would definitely take issue with Slaanesh taking control of Khaine's shards and Khaine's latter return. And its unlikely the Emperor and the Imperium are just going to sit back and watch the Eldar reclaim the galaxy - Warp Storms would ravage the Eldar ala Storm of the Emperor's Wrath and the Imperium would re-direct Waaagh! and Hive Fleets against the Eldar. Then there's the Necrons...the Ancient War has not been forgotten...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/10/15 12:44:32
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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The Dark Eldar don't worshop Khaine... They also don't hate other Eldar... Also, Slaanesh cannot become material and possess the avatar.
But most importantly, Ynead can only come to 'life' when ALL eldar are dead. Exodites, and Craftworld anyway.
Von chogg
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LunaHound wrote:Eldrad was responsible for 911 *disclaimer, because Eldrad is known to be a dick, making dick moves that takes eons to fruit.
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2012/10/15 13:42:38
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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The Incubi do...there's supposed to be an iron statue of Khaine in their shrines.
...They also don't hate other Eldar...
Don't they have a blood feud with the Craftworld Eldar?
Also, Slaanesh cannot become material and possess the avatar.
Well, we have the Emperor to thank for that...otherwise, not just Slaanesh, but also the other Powers, would be able to physically manifest like the Eldar Gods did during the War in Heaven.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/10/15 18:13:04
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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....and then a fourth of GWs newest codex became cometely unusable because every worshipped of one of the most powerful beings in the universe was killed off by the contents of a single underpowered codex entry with vague mysterious powers.
It's crap in terms of fluff but imagining the player backlash is hilarious. It'd be like if gw wrote off the black Templars by having Draigo carve his name into every one of their hearts. Or if the entirety of the sisters of battle were killed by the flayed ones.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2012/10/15 21:01:35
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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...I'd advise against bringing back the Eldar Empire as a cohesive entity because it'd completely invalidate the setting as a whole; the forces of Chaos couldn't take them on directly at their height, without the C'tan the Necrons would have an uphill slog to take them down, being able to blow up stars for their own amusement would probably derail the Tyranid invasions. Not to mention the fact that we're talking a galaxy-spanning empire with technology and spacecraft that outstrip individually anything the Tau or the Imperium can field...
So you basically want the Eldar to 'win' the 40k universe.
Newsflash: You don't 'win' the 40k universe. Matt Ward's dickery aside, this is supposed to be a grim, bloody, hopeless place consisting of a galaxy full of people fighting eternal and unwinnable wars. I have a sneaking suspicion that trying to 'fix' it runs contrary to the very core of the setting.
If you really, really want a unified Eldar political entity running a few outlying planets that isn't in the middle of population decline, I suppose that's a little more plausible; Biel-Tan particularly is known for fighting to reclaim old Eldar-terraformed worlds and having a significantly higher birth rate than other Craftworlds, maybe start from that premise rather than "Ynnead wakes up before all the Eldar are dead (in direct contradiction to everything we know about him) and beats up everyone in the galaxy, leaving the Eldar to live happily ever after"? Anything that doesn't involve any possibility of 'happily ever after' would be better, really...
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2012/10/15 23:42:14
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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To balance this out, the other factions have to be re-written too.
First of all, the Emperor has to be alive, and ALL the Primarchs have to be loyal. The legions have to be intact too. The Imperium has to have complete STCs, and following the Imperial Truth to keep up. Next, the Chaos Powers have to be able to manifest in reality (though I don't know how to replace the traitor legions). Oldcrons could probably handle the Eldar Empire...Orks - well, Orks can handle anything. Tyranids and Tau...no idea.
Long story short - its not gonna work.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/10/16 02:57:41
Subject: Re:Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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Tyranids would need the rest of the Hive Fleets to come, not just the little Fleets that have been here, but the monstrous thing hiding in the darkness between galaxies. As for the Tau, well something tells me they would need Gundamesque units, they would need armies of those, and I suppose for Chaos, replacing each of the traitor legions with daemons of equal size and strength, and also a insurmountable amount of greater daemons
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With blood and rage of crimson red,
Ripped from a corpse so freshly dead,
Together with our hellish hate,
We'll burn you all--That is your fate!
I am Red/Black
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2012/10/16 03:13:35
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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Nasty Nob
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It should be
All eldar die > Ynnead comes to life > Ynnead clobbers Slaanesh > Ynndead disappears
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2012/10/16 08:41:45
Subject: Re:Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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I have my own hope for the fall of the Eldar, the birth of Ynnead, and the hopeful rebirth of the Eldar.
In short, it would go something like...
1) All eldar fall in the final battle
2) Ynnead is born and challenges Slaanesh
3) Slaanesh falls as predicted.
4) Isha uses the shift in the great powers pantheon as a distraction and escapes.
5) with the help of Ynnead, Isha reforms the broken shards of Khaine
6) With Ynnead and Khaine backing her, Isha "rebirths" the Eldar
7) Eldar are returned to the 40k universe, their new goal is to reclaim the lost galaxy in the name of their Gods and former glory.
Obvious plot holes I can see
1) Have to figure out if Isha actually is still held by Nurgle, and find a way she could get away.
2) Hope that all the remaining pieces of Khaine are enough to bring him back
3) The chaos gods don't punk the forming Eldar gods in their weakened state (No followers at that point)
4) the "rebirthed" Eldar don't get exterminated before they know what the heck is going on.
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2012/10/16 09:49:45
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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 CuddlySquig wrote:It should be
All eldar die > Ynnead comes to life > Ynnead clobbers Slaanesh > Ynndead disappears
THIS. Finally...an end to the biggest trolls in galactic history. Cheers.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/10/17 16:00:26
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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The other option to haev a Eldar cetnered plot is to do what apparently seveal Craftworlds have already done - leave this Galaxy and head off to pastures new - hoping that the next Galaxies are not full of Tryanids, Orks or worse.............
You could write a whole new chapter in their encounters etc.......
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"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos 
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
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2012/10/20 18:46:52
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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 Mr Morden wrote:The other option to haev a Eldar cetnered plot is to do what apparently seveal Craftworlds have already done - leave this Galaxy and head off to pastures new - hoping that the next Galaxies are not full of Tryanids, Orks or worse.............
You could write a whole new chapter in their encounters etc.......
Do you have a source for that? I've never heard of craftworlds actually leaving the galaxy...
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LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
 LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space.
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2012/10/20 20:20:08
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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I've always preferred the Asuryata version, where at the end times the Phoenix Lords are present and all perish in the final battle against Chaos that ends in the destruction of both realms as we know it.
I like to think that Russ, the Lion and a few others will be fighting along side them, and all go out in this glorious end-battle, though its more fitting to Russ' imagery than the other primarchs.
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2012/10/24 06:26:24
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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I'll get my pen and paper and correct, ad-to and change my usightly creation
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"Archon Yulliptidon sat apon a throne made of polished glass, which gleamed with magnificence in the rays of the dying suns, beautifully suspended above the the many razor sharp peaks that where Commorragh. The archon held within his hands a a delicate pyramid of sculpted crystal, from which emitted a faint glow, an echo of the soundless screams of pain belonging to countless tortured souls forever trapped within. The room in which the archon sat in was something like a throne room, but displayed apon the walls where helm of every color, but all the same in size and shape. Some bore eagles on their foreheads, and others still contained the decapitated heads of their previous owners. Two huge, beautifully carved iron double doors, engraved with intricate runes of pain and suffering, opened at the far end of the room, to reveal a tall, elegant dark eldar warrior, clad in armor made from bone and flesh. "lord Yulliptidon, you asked for my presence?" Said the arrival, " to what do I owe the pleasure?". The archon raised his elongated head, skin as pale as a full moon, eyes as vivid as a horrible nightmare. " I did not ask for you, Thrayon, I ordered your presence. Do not think to much for your self, for truly, you are not much past a feral that one would find on the streets. As for why I have ordered you to my palace, it is because their is a task that I wish you to preform. I wish you and you kabal to cleanse the imperial out fort of Sargosain Gastienagan." Thrayon was both aghast and interested at what the archon had just said. "Such a task would stretch my kabal to its limits, only a great reward would be enough to do a deed like this." Yulliptidon was outraged by the the proposal of a "great reward" by Thrayon, but did not let his anger show, hiding it with a cold smile that hid his evil intentions surprisingly well. The archon was was famous for never telling a lie in his life, but was very fond of veiled double speak, and this was no exception. "Do not worry, Thrayon, you shall receive what you deserve." Thrayon, happy with this outcome, left to carry out Yulliptidons task. Little did he know what was coming. Thrayon had done a thousand evil deeds, and what he deserved was a horrible death equal to to all those he had caused. Yulliptidons smiled. He was going to have fun."
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2012/10/24 07:00:59
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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 Tadashi wrote:...They also don't hate other Eldar...
Don't they have a blood feud with the Craftworld Eldar?
Not particularly.
I mean, any given Dark Eldar might decide to start flaying any given Craftworld Eldar slowly to suck away the unfortunate Craftworlder's soul just as soon as talking to them, but they do the same to other DE just as readily. By the same token, any given Craftworld Eldar is going to be devious and untrustworthy in their dealings with Dark kin, just like they are with everyone else outside of their Craftworld.
A Dark and Craftworld Eldar might hate each other for being a weak-minded fool who squanders the glory of their race to wallow in damnation/self-denial, but at the end of the day, and Eldar is an Eldar.
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2012/10/24 17:02:18
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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I just have a problem with the Ynnead vs Slaanesh battle. Ynnead couldn't cut off 'both' of Slaanesh's hands since
1. Slaanesh is a warp entity with no defined form.
2. If it did have a form, it'd likely have more than two hands considering how its daemons look.
Plus, Tzeentch would likely interfere on Slaanesh's side, since it's better for Tzeentch to have a chaos god that doesn't either hate sorcery, Tzeentch's main power, or simply hate Tzeentch itself. Then Tzeentch would interfere on Ynnead's side because that's what Tzeentch does.
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2012/10/25 00:56:50
Subject: Eldar gods/ My idea for birth of Ynnead.
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It seems to me that we're getting in hypothetical arguments about a 'what if' scenario that basically involves rewriting the entire 40k setting...Are you sure a 40k forum is the best place to argue about your own setting that seems to be borrowing proper nouns from 40k?
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