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Twisting Tzeentch Horror




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That's assuming said battlegroup can get to the planet in time, and fight its way past at least 1 maybe 2 opposing fleets.

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 -Loki- wrote:
 Shlazaor wrote:
both sides were pre occupied, and the Imperial Fleet got in, and Exterminated it.


That is the exact same situation as Octarius. I think this effectively negates your first point about how they don't have the capacity to unleash Exterminatus.

However, I still agree with your second point biggest challenge is overcoming the time lag induced by the Shadow so that they can still strike at the opportune moment.


No it's not. In that case, then they arrived, both sides were in full conflict on the surface. Right now? The IoM is ignoring Octarius. They didn't even like that Kryptman set it up - he was rejected from the Inquisition for doing it. There's no indication that they have a battlegroup ready to launch - and that kind of thing takes years for the Imperium just to mobilize.


Again you bring up a point I'd concede to but I definitely need citation of that. But another point in favor of Exterminatus are those solo planet wrecker ships with super shields and stealth that destroy planets on their own. Though not to be a hypocrit I don't remember where I found that information. Does anyone have citations for that?

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re the 1 Imperial Ship can exterminatus a planet:

Tactica Imperialis p69 describes a " A single vessel, equipped with the fastest drives and the most arcane of shielding devices"

It slips past the orbiting bio fleet, fires a single cyclonic torpedo and destroys the Tryanid infested world.

The Imperium could do this again if you accept this and other similar fluff.

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octarius sector squishin bugz

Thats if the ship survies the first planet. This isnt just the Nids though this is both nids and orks so it will be taking doulbe the damage as usually plus ork ramming it is possible.

If they lose that ship at all doesnt matter cause they have just showed who the next oppenet for the winner is. Plus a huge lose of ancient tech.

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willhman wrote:
Thats if the ship survies the first planet. This isnt just the Nids though this is both nids and orks so it will be taking doulbe the damage as usually plus ork ramming it is possible.

If they lose that ship at all doesnt matter cause they have just showed who the next oppenet for the winner is. Plus a huge lose of ancient tech.


Its not fighting its way through - its a submarine style attack run - get in, fire and (hopefully) get out. It took no damage from the Nids last time as it was not seen or fired upon.
It worked against the Nids last time without them detecting it, so unless the Orks actually notice it - which is possible but unlikely it should work just fine.

Now its got to be rare as otherwise the Imperium would use them alot but its effective.

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If it worked last time against the Nids... I wouldn't bpput too much faith in it working a 2nd time. The hive mind is nothing if not adaptable.

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I'll be banking on a warp storm to wipe out the whole region of space, should GW ever decide to end the storyline.

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 Eetion wrote:
If it worked last time against the Nids... I wouldn't bpput too much faith in it working a 2nd time. The hive mind is nothing if not adaptable.


Very true - if it is aware of exaclty what happened and how

It is highly adapatable but like any other organism is faliable and lets face it the whole blow up the planet whist the fleet is feeding keeps being used on them?

If the stealthy Kill Ship was detected and / or destroyed - then the Hive Fleet can adapt and overcome - but at present it may lack hard data to act on?

Plus it will be foccussed on destroying and consuming the Orks not looking for Imperial threats - granted once it discovers Imperial style weapons are being used - then it will try to counter. I would think it will work a few times before serious problems arise for the Kill Ship/s.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
 Eetion wrote:
If it worked last time against the Nids... I wouldn't bpput too much faith in it working a 2nd time. The hive mind is nothing if not adaptable.


Very true - if it is aware of exaclty what happened and how



If the stealthy Kill Ship was detected and / or destroyed - then the Hive Fleet can adapt and overcome - but at present it may lack hard data to act on?

Plus it will be foccussed on destroying and consuming the Orks not looking for Imperial threats - granted once it discovers Imperial style weapons are being used - then it will try to counter. I would think it will work a few times before serious problems arise for the Kill Ship/s.


This. The Hive Mind is not omnipotent. In fact stealthy retrieval of Kroot rifles was one of the key reasons the Tau were able to defeat the Tyranids invasion of one of their Septs. I'd say stealth has proven to be one of the biggest assets against the Tyranids. Does it mean it will work everytime? No. But I don't seem them stopping the kill-ship this time around considering the only information that they have from last time was "o gak the planet is blow- ugfhfgdfgrtdgrd."
   
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octarius sector squishin bugz

Yes but the thing with nids ships is they are focused on one task only which either eat or defend. We have orks here, yes you might say they are focused only on killing but They are also on the look out of for more enemy ships in the area. Chances are one ork ship will be like "Move in der and-- Ehh wot dat ship dere??" *BOOM* "Woah me wants it. Eh warphead follow that ship time for Boarding actions. hehehe"

Plus after awhile Im pretty sure nids will just put up defences around planets that they are eating. You making them sound like they are computers. The hive mind is a living thing. It will create strategies to protect its food.

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yes it will defend - if it knows there is a threat - same with the Orks - the whole point of the Stealthed Kill ship is it sneaks in and kills before its noticed and slips away - job done.

It might not work every time but its got a very good chance of worknig several times.

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octarius sector squishin bugz

Ok I agree that it willl work the first few times. But if it dies on the second planet completly by accident then there goes a ship with ancient tech never to be seen again. There is just two big of a chance of it failing and to small of a chance that it will work

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I'm not familiar with the steaalth ship fluff.

But if they plan on executing this there going to have to be close as it doesn't take that long for the nids to gobble a planet.
100days from first contact to imperial ship arriving and finding a husk.
About 30 days for a planet to be stripped once the main fleet starts and resistance crumbles.

That may be longer than the warp jorney.

So they would have to be watching close, so they can pull the trick, and as its not finished fighting then it can be assumed they are going to have to be there for quite some time.

That's a long time not to be discovered, or a real rush assuming you know when the fights over.

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willhman wrote:
 Bobthehero wrote:
You don't loot biotitans

You assume Thrakka's going to show his, so anybody could assume the Tyranids will send more bugs, don't go there.

Thats like sayin you dont loot carnifexes and Ive seen the pics. I Think that the orks COULD Loot biotitans. If they donts then they will use its armor for weapons/armor for vehicles and boys. Its meat for food. saving the squigs and such for rippers. and everything else imaginable. These are the orks. They leave nothing to waste. Its been said that they are the most resourceful race in the galaxy. They have proven it time and again. In the end They will loot it one way or another.

As for ghazzy. If he does come. Im not sayin he will but really, this probably will become a huge war. He will bring a huge fleet of orks with him. Billions of orks follow the prophet. If not trillions. He is respected by all orks who are smart enough to think that way. You might think that he is just another ork but He has proven to be the chosen of the ork gods.... Or to be just plain out lucky.




As for the nids ending more bugs , that frees up the Imperium on multiple fronts to move arms and troops to strengthen the blockade , eventually if the IoM sees it getting out of hand they will launch a strike and possibly spear head and allie .......yes allie with orks ........imagine Yarrack and Thrakka side by side fighing nids.... But anyway , currently ( if i recall the numbers right ) there is something like 25 Billion Guardsmen engaged in fighting Tyranids at the moment , now imagine if those 25B troops just suddenly were free to deploy as needed ? yeah we would Crush your little Space cockroachs .............. burn it with fire

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As long as the Orks get the memo about the alliance... And have the capacity to read it.

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Ummm... Yeah no. Why would the orks want to win the war with the humies help? no If the Iom did anything they would just be a third armada to join the war thats it. The orks are enjoying themselves to much for anything else.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
re the 1 Imperial Ship can exterminatus a planet:

Tactica Imperialis p69 describes a " A single vessel, equipped with the fastest drives and the most arcane of shielding devices"

It slips past the orbiting bio fleet, fires a single cyclonic torpedo and destroys the Tryanid infested world.

The Imperium could do this again if you accept this and other similar fluff.


Are we sure that destroying the planet will really help that much? The orks, they have ships, and so do the nids. You can swipe the planets out from under them, but all that dose is give the forces a reason to move on.

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Both sides have the capability to churn out reinforcements and bring more in. If the deadlock is broken, the winning side will be the one GW want to win (assuming no exterminatus) to move the plot on a bit.

   
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Gotta agree that either way the fluff may be moved forward a tiny amount just hinting toward what the winning race is going to do, and thats at best, most likely the story wont be moved forward.



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octarius sector squishin bugz

I just like imagining the battles on each planet. It has to be a huge fight.

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Mighty Vampire Count






UK

willhman wrote:
I just like imagining the battles on each planet. It has to be a huge fight.


Which is kinda the point of the Story and in fact most fluff in Codexes

re blowing up the planet - the Imperium does want to do this as its one of the few things that is effective against the Tryanids and if the Orks win - well again the Imeprium does not want the scarily powerful survivors going on a rampage.

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 Mr Morden wrote:
the Imeprium does not want the scarily powerful survivors going on a rampage.


Unless they can lead them by the nose to the EoT/Maelstrom.

   
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octarius sector squishin bugz

But how would they lead the survivors?? The eot is on the other side of the galaxy I believe.

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Some sort of gambit involving Space Hulks and Genestealers or summat. There's weirder stuff in the fluff.

   
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 lindsay40k wrote:
Some sort of gambit involving Space Hulks and Genestealers or summat. There's weirder stuff in the fluff.


Yes, it's been done. Kryptman sent a Space Hulk full of Genestealers to Octarius and Exterminatus'd any planets Leviathans tendril might have found along the way to ensure they reached Octarius.

It's worth noting that Kryptman was expelled from the Unquisition for that, as the cost was deemed too high, and the fact that it might just well make that tendril even stronger. It's not like to be done again.
   
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octarius sector squishin bugz

Yeah that isnt going to happen again... Cost the iom alot of valuable resources and manpower to start this bad idea. Not gonna happen again. If it does happen again then there goes a tendril of hive fleet leviathon

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