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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 18:38:07
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Is there any hope that the Terminator entry will be changed with a FAQ? I'm looking at my tray of Abaddons homies and realizing that out of 20 of them only 4 are legal with the new entry in the codex only allowing you to upgrade either the hth weapon or the shooty one. I would probably never take them to a tournament anyway but am I doomed to house ruling them to keep them in their current form? I already broke them off their 25mm bases, filed off the tabs and rebased them on 40mm during the last edition and now I'm looking at popping off arms and repainting them to use them legally for this edition. Even the box of new plastic terminators can barely make a legal squad using the new entry.
I love all my old metal termies, I even have 5 more I was going to build just for the Annihilation Force formation for special scenarios in our home campaign. I'm sure there are quite a few other people in the same position, what do you intend to do? Wait for the FAQ? Start popping off arms? Leave them and house rule/counts as them?
This problem plus a less than satisfying run in with customer service over my preordered kits is buzzkilling the whole release for me. I used to be such a fanboi too!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 18:48:07
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Longtime Dakkanaut
West Midlands (UK)
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Where did you find this new restriction of being only able to upgrade either the cc or the shooty weapon=?
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Ahh. never mind. Found it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 18:49:42
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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It's in the Codex... "Any Chaos Terminator may choose one of the following three options:" Edit: If a FAQ can just change the one to any we are good to go...
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/19 18:50:51
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 18:49:44
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Sneaky Lictor
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Let's be honest, the chances of this getting FAQ'd from GW is
You should know how GW rolls by now. "Whoops, we seemed to have made a change that forces you to re-model your models. You could just buy some more!" *hint* *nudge* *push*
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"To crush your opponents, see their figures removed from the table and to hear the lamentations of TFG." -Zathras |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 18:54:43
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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60mm wrote:Let's be honest, the chances of this getting FAQ'd from GW is
You should know how GW rolls by now. "Whoops, we seemed to have made a change that forces you to re-model your models. You could just buy some more!" *hint* *nudge* *push*
The worst part is that the new Termie arms are way bigger so using the ones in my bitz box won't work... I'm seeing your point about "suck it up and buy more models".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:00:58
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Or quit and play another game, by a different company. Seems to be the option GW is pushing the most these day.
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CSM Undivided
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:01:48
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I sent the following to gamefaqs@games-workshop.co.uk and recommend that others do the same.
1. For the Terminator Entry:
"Any Chaos Terminator may choose one of the following three options"
This is significantly different than the previous codex. This means that I can no longer run a power fist and a combi-melta as you have to choose one or the other. Was this intentional? Did this mean to read "choose ANY of the following three options"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:04:35
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Magents are your friend, use them wisely and no codex update can beat you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:05:35
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Lord of the Fleet
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I honestly doubt that this is going to be changed, but I doubt it was a way to get you to buy more models.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:09:17
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Stern Iron Priest with Thrall Bodyguard
UK
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I've been told on their facebook they've admitted this was a mistake and people seem to think FaQ will change this.
Cross your fingers its true.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:13:34
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Seriously. Don't cross your fingers. Send them an email to gamefaqs@games-workshop.co.uk
Don't hope for change. Make it happen.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:17:31
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Sweet! Thanks kronk, did not know where to ask questions before.
I'll send it a few dozen times to be sure along with a few other questions that are paralyzing my list making from the book... Automatically Appended Next Post: juraigamer wrote:Magents are your friend, use them wisely and no codex update can beat you.
I magnetized the Icon bearers in the Termie squads...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:20:43
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The entirety of that email, for what it's worth. Copy/paste/send, add other questions.
I have a few questions that my group is curious about from the recent Chaos Space Marine Codex. Thank you for any help.
1. For the Terminator Entry:
"Any Chaos Terminator may choose one of the following three options"
This is significantly different than the previous codex. This means that I can no longer run a power fist and a combi-melta as you have to choose one or the other. Was this intentional? Did this mean to read "choose ANY of the following three options"?
2. Typhus
His entry says that cultists become zombies, but may not take options. However, the ability to field more than 10 zombies in a unit is listed under options. Was that the intent? Was Typhus meant to limit zombie cultists to 10 models per squad or can they be increased to 35 like a normal squad of cultists but are prevented from taking weapon options?
3. Abbaddon
His unit entry gives him every mark; however, the Chaos Codex prevents a model with a mark from joining a unit with a different mark. Can Abbaddon join a unit with a Mark of Nurgle since he also has the Marks for Tzeentch, Slaanesh, and Khorne? Was the intent that he cannot join any Marked unit or was the intent that he can join every marked unit.
4. The Helldrake
This model is a dragon with a long neck. The flamer is in his mouth. Can this dragon turn his head and flame a unit that is behind him or can it only fire directly in front of it? What is the firing arc for this model?
5. The Axe of Blind Fury and a Daemon Prince
If a Daemon Prince takes the Khorne upgrade, can he then take an Axe of Blind Fury? The Axe of Blind Fury is only eligible to characters with Marks of Khorne; however, a Daemon Prince of Khorne is still a pretty devout Khorne follower, correct? Is the intent that a Daemon Prince of Khorne cannot take an Axe of Blind Fury?
6. Dark Apostles and friendly units in assault
"Friendly units from this codex within 6" of a Dark Apostle must use his leadership instead of their own." What happens when a unit of Chaos Space Marines within 6" of the Dark Apostle loses a close combat by 4 wounds? Would they take the Dark Apostles unmodified Leadership of 10, or would they still reduce that by 4 for a total of 6?
7. Will we be seeing the Chaos Space Marine, Necron, Grey Knights, and other army reference sheets anytime soon? A number of the Army Reference Sheets are very out of date.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:22:16
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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It's like you are in my brain man! Those are all my sticking points so far too...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:23:14
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I just jotted down a few things then trolled through the You Make Da Call area, to be 100% honest...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:26:37
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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So, operation rip arms off while blinded with tears is on hold until a FAQ.
Crosses fingers AND sends in questions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 20:42:41
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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hobojebus wrote:I've been told on their facebook they've admitted this was a mistake and people seem to think FaQ will change this.
Cross your fingers its true.
They have a facebook?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 21:37:24
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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Another question to ask would be in regards to the Noise Champion and if he can take a Close Combat Weapon and/or a Sonic Blaster.
Right now he's;
a) The ONLY unit leader who doesn't come stock with his bolter/bolt pistol/ ccw combo.
b) can ONLY gain the +1A for a pair of close combat weapons by shelling out at least 15pts for a Plasma pistol, or else he's got to double that for a pair of lightning claws.
Seems pretty  ing stupid that Noise Champs are over-taxed for the basic option that every other similar unit leader in the game gets for free!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:07:50
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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A lot of the unit options and costs, especially for HQ's and Champions, don't seem to have really been very well thought out. 30pts for dual lightning claws?
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:12:53
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:hobojebus wrote:I've been told on their facebook they've admitted this was a mistake and people seem to think FaQ will change this.
Cross your fingers its true.
They have a facebook?
Yes they do http://www.facebook.com/mobileprotection#!/pages/Games-Workshop/108298445861551?fref=ts&rf=108439352520955 Automatically Appended Next Post: Vaktathi wrote:A lot of the unit options and costs, especially for HQ's and Champions, don't seem to have really been very well thought out. 30pts for dual lightning claws? 
Thats what everyone else pays for them. Why should you be any different?
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:18:24
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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Is it? I'll have to double-check when I get home, I remember them being noticeably cheaper. For terminators it used to be 10pts period.
Either way, still overcosted no matter who is paying it.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:22:50
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Lord of the Fleet
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Shock and awe, they've changed it!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:28:06
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Perfect Shot Black Templar Predator Pilot
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I NEED to start magnetizing pretty much everything from now on. It's an extra step that adds work to the process (I'm mostly a painter, not much for the actual MODELING part) but man, is it worth it when stuff like this pops up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:29:16
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Magnetizing also reduces the number of models you need to buy.
Now, you don't need to have a model for each possable loadout. You only need to have the number of models you will actually field, and change their arms to match what you are running.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:31:17
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:37:49
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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And issues are solved
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:40:38
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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So I take it everyones happy now? Chaos players should be very happy with that, even though it is quite small! Is the Hellbrutes change to 100 points significant?
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- "Do not believe in me who believes in you, do not believe in you who believes in me, but believe in you who believes in yourself! DUMBASS!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:46:01
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Makes him more likely to be taken I guess.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:49:31
Subject: The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
Kelowna BC
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i like how you roll, kronk.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/19 22:52:21
Subject: Re:The New Chaos Book Broke My Terminators
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Could it be that GW has started listening to the fan feedback
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! |
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