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however as the australian SAS train the British SAS I don't think they could be better or they would train us!

Ha, I never heard that before. thats awsome

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
As pointed out before, an average sized Waagh! would probably outnumber humanity. And they are all soldiers, we are not.

I heard that Thrakas WARGHH on Armageddon was probably one of the largest Imperium has faced since it's foundation and as I understood it the Orks numbered from 2.5 to 3.5 million Ork boyz. That is not over 7 billion Humans Earth is having today.

CORRECTION: Maximum number of Orks during Armageddon engagement was 3.798.000 ( and that is if e count max number for every Ork in exactly 1266 warbands that were on Armageddon during 3'rd war ). And that is still not close enough our numbers today.

Sorry man gonna need a source, cause i would beleive that in a singluar battle but never a war that large scale that it required so many marine chapters, battleships, regiments of the imperium and PDF just to try and keep them back.

Armageddon Prime

Forces of the Great Despot of Dregruk[1b]
Despot Gazgrim's War Horde - Estimated 200 warbands, 18 Gargants
Warlord Thogfang's Gargant Big Mob - Estimated 3 warbands, 7 Gargants
Warlord Rukgor's Gargant Big Mob - Estimated 5 warbands, 6 Gargants
Warlord Badfang's Battle Forts - Estimated 3 warbands, 16 Battle Fortresses
Black Slayers Tribe - Estimated 30 warbands, 4 Gargants
Firebellies Tribe - Estimated 18 warbands, 3 Gargants
Varga's Drop Legion - Estimated 24 warbands
Razor Speed Freeks - Estimated 21 'Speed Kult' warbands
Warlord Gorshag's Big Gunz - Estimated 7 'artillery' warbands

Armageddon Secundus

Forces of the Ork Warlord Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka[1b]
Great Overlord Ghazghkull's War Horde - Estimated 400 warbands, 18 Gargants
Warlord Morfang's Gargant Big Mob - Estimated 6 warbands, 7 Gargants
Warlord Skarfang's Gargant Big Mob - Estimated 3 warbands, 6 Gargants
Warlord Burzuruk's Gargant Big Mob - Estimated 4 warbands, 9 Gargants
Warlord Kroksnik's Deth Traks - Estimated 4 warbands, 32 Battle Fortresses
Blackskull Tribe - Estimated 30 warbands, 3 Gargants
Crooked Moon Tribe - Estimated 21 warbands, 5 Gargants
Red Fin Tribe - Estimated 30 warbands, 4 Gargants
Red Wheelz Speed Freeks - Estimated 18 'Speed Kult' warbands
Burning Death Speed Freeks - Estimated 25 'Speed Kult' warbands
Warlord Thugsnik's Big Gunz - Estimated 6 'artillery' warbands
Warlord Morbad's Big Gunz - Estimated 12 'artillery' warbands

The Fire Wastes

Forces of Urgok the Unstoppable[1b]
Great Slayer Grimskul's War Horde - Estimated 60 warbands, 8 Gargants
Warlord Blagrot's Gargant Big Mob - Estimated 4 warbands, 3 Gargants
Warlord Skrag's Gargant Big Mob - Estimated 2 warbands, 3 Gargants
Vultures Tribe - Estimated 16 warbands 3 Gargants
Stompers Tribe - Estimated 11 warbands, 1 Gargant?
Slasherz Speed Freeks - Estimated 12 'Speed Kult' warbands
Warlord Rukglum's Big Gunz - Estimated 11 'artillery' warbands

The Dead Lands

Forces of the Over-Fiend of Octarius[1b]
Great Fiend Gorsnik Magash's War Horde - Estimated 250 warbands, 160 Battle Fortresses
Warlord Bogsnik's Blitz Brigade - Estimated 8 warbands, 26 Battle Fortresses
Warlord Skabsnik's Blitz Brigade - Estimated 12 warbands, 41 Battle Fortresses
Black Cloud Speed Freeks - Estimated 20 'Speed Kult' warbands
White Lightning Speed Freeks - Estimated 31 'Speed Kult' warbands

Orbital support

12-16 Space hulks[1b]
2-3,500 Fighta-Bommer squadrons[1b]
2,100+ Attack Craft[1b]
80-100 Roks[1b]
250-400 Kroozers[1b]

That was our battle #s

Space Marine Chapters

Angels of Fire: 7 Companies[1b]
Angels of Redemption: 4 Companies[1b]
Angels of Vigilance: 6 Companies[1b]
Angels Porphyr: 8 Companies[1b]
Black Dragons: 9 Companies[1b]
Black Templars: 3 Crusades[1b]
Blood Angels: 1 Company[1b]
Celebrants: 10 Companies[1b]
Celestial Lions: 10 Companies[1b]
Exorcists: 12 Companies[1b]
Flesh Tearers: 5 Companies[1b]
Iron Champions: 7 Companies[1b]
Marines Malevolent: 2 Companies[1b]
Mortifactors: 10 Companies[1b]
Omega Marines: 9 Companies[1b]
Raptors: 5 Companies[1b]
Relictors: 10 Companies[1b]
Salamanders: 6 Companies[1b]
Silver Skulls: 7 Companies[1b]
Sons of Guilliman: 6 Companies[1b]
Space Wolves: 3 Great Companies[1b]
Storm Giants: 5 Companies[1b]
Storm Lords: 2 Brotherhoods[1b]
White Scars: 3 Brotherhoods[1b]

Imperial Guard and PDF

Armageddon IG and PDF
Armageddon Ash Wash militia: 5 Regiments[1b]
Armageddon Command Guard: 5 Companies[1b]
Armageddon Hive Militia: 120 Regiments[1b]
Armageddon Ork Hunters: 5 Regiments[1b]
Armageddon Steel Legion: 25 Regiments[1b]
Arphista Penal Legion: 11 Legions[1b]
Asgardian Rangers: 2 Regiments[1b]
Cadian Shock Troops: 15 Regiments[1b]
Catachan Jungle Fighters: 3 Regiments[1b]
Death Korps of Krieg: 5 Regiments[1b]
Elysian Drop Troops: 14 Squadrons[1b]
Jopall Indentured Squadrons: 17 Battalions[1b]
Krourk Ogryn Auxilis: 2 Regiments[1b]
Minervan Tank Legions: 3 Legions[1b]
Monglor Ogryn Auxilia: 1 Regiment[1b]
Mordian Iron Guard: 6 Regiments[1b]
Noctan Strike Forces:6 Regiments[1b]
Ocanon Phalanax Troops: 11 Regiments[1b]
Pyran Dragoons: 10 Regiments[1b]
Savlar Imperial Guard
Savlar Chem-Dogs: 6 Regiments[1b]
Savlar Chem-Riders: 2 Regiments[1b]
Semtexian Bombadiers: 9 Batteries[1b]
Storm Troopers: 18 Companies[1b]
Zouvan Skirmishers: 4 Brigades[1b]
13th Penal Legion[3]

Adepta Sororitas

Order of Our Martyred Lady: Equivalent 3 Companies[1b]
Order of the Argent Shroud: Equivalent 7 Companies[1b]
Adeptus Mechanicus
Centurio Ordinatus: 4 Ordinatus[1b]
Legio Crucius: Demi-Legio[1b]
Legio Ignatum: Legio[1b]
Legio Invigilata: Legio[1b]
Legio Magma: Quatro-Legio[1b]
Legio Metalica: Demi-Legio[1b]
Legio Tempestor: Legio[1b]
Legio Victorum: Legio[1b]
Skitarii: 14 Regiments[1b]
Departmento Munitorum
Engineer Corps: 2[1b]
Pioneer Corps: 1[1b]
Adeptus Arbites
Precincts: 20[1b]
Punitive Battalions: 12[1b]
Officio Assassinorum
Agents: CLASSIFIED[1b]
Officio Sabatorum
Agents: 34[1b]
Ordo Xenos
Kill-Teams: 2[1b]
Templars Psykologis
Disruption Squads: 15[1b]

Imperial Navy

Imperial Deep Space Support
His Will - Apocalypse Class Battleship[1b]
Triumph - Apocalypse Class Battleship[1b]
Insomine Veritas - Emperor Class Battleship[1b]
Green Lake - Oberon Class Battleship[1b]
First-Line Cruiser Squadrons: 6[1b]
Second-Line Cruiser Squadrons: 9[1b]
Light Cruiser Squadrons: 12[1b]
Escort Squadrons: 36[1b]
Starhawk Bomber Strike Wings: 43[1b]
Fury Interceptor Strike Wings: 67[1b]
Space Marine Battle Barges: 14[1b]
Space Marine Strike Cruisers: 103[1b]
Thunderhawk Gunships: Various[1b]

that was yours.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
As pointed out before, an average sized Waagh! would probably outnumber humanity. And they are all soldiers, we are not.

I heard that Thrakas WARGHH on Armageddon was probably one of the largest Imperium has faced since it's foundation and as I understood it the Orks numbered from 2.5 to 3.5 million Ork boyz. That is not over 7 billion Humans Earth is having today.

CORRECTION: Maximum number of Orks during Armageddon engagement was 3.798.000 ( and that is if e count max number for every Ork in exactly 1266 warbands that were on Armageddon during 3'rd war ). And that is still not close enough our numbers today.

Mind you, that Thrakka's Waagh! did not just attack Armageddon, but the entire solar system. There are still orks in space, on other planets, on the moons of Armageddon, maybe even in neighboring systems. In fact, the story around Armageddon even highly suggests this to be the case.

I also highly suspect you pulled that number from the lexicanum, so keep in mind that they were basing the calculation on a section which was a selection of ork bands involved in the ground fighting - not a complete list.

Imperial Armor 8: Raid of Castorel Novem tells the story of a warband which is just on the brink of becoming a Waagh!, and the Raven Guard trying to assassinate the MekBoss who is the driving force behind it in order to prevent that. That warband, across several planets and their fleet, numbered 2.5 billion.

 Jidmah wrote:

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:
As pointed out before, an average sized Waagh! would probably outnumber humanity. And they are all soldiers, we are not.

I heard that Thrakas WARGHH on Armageddon was probably one of the largest Imperium has faced since it's foundation and as I understood it the Orks numbered from 2.5 to 3.5 million Ork boyz. That is not over 7 billion Humans Earth is having today.

CORRECTION: Maximum number of Orks during Armageddon engagement was 3.798.000 ( and that is if e count max number for every Ork in exactly 1266 warbands that were on Armageddon during 3'rd war ). And that is still not close enough our numbers today.

Mind you, that Thrakka's Waagh! did not just attack Armageddon, but the entire solar system. There are still orks in space, on other planets, on the moons of Armageddon, maybe even in neighboring systems. In fact, the story around Armageddon even highly suggests this to be the case.

I also highly suspect you pulled that number from the lexicanum, so keep in mind that they were basing the calculation on a section which was a selection of ork bands involved in the ground fighting - not a complete list.

Imperial Armor 8: Raid of Castorel Novem tells the story of a warband which is just on the brink of becoming a Waagh!, and the Raven Guard trying to assassinate the MekBoss who is the driving force behind it in order to prevent that. That warband, across several planets and their fleet, numbered 2.5 billion.

in other words; and i always try to stress this to people. Orks are more numerous than anything in the galaxy, the nids are a grey area which I will believe is still smaller than us till concrete evidence is provided as much as our own.

We would be completely and irrevocably screwed. Given the size of the "average" waaagh!, and the speed at which orks can mass... I give us a month at the outside. Maybe two, but that feels too optimistic.

Hmm... Just curious, but were any of the "We don't have that many Soldiers! The Civilians will be defenseless!" people Americans?

Anvildude wrote:
Hmm... Just curious, but were any of the "We don't have that many Soldiers! The Civilians will be defenseless!" people Americans?

I would bet at least one was. Why? I personally beleive it myself and I am. I know guns traffic more freely in other countries but the mass of people with guns are generally asked to submit to regiments of identification for their local law enforcement to know if they are called to the premise that they can identify if they have guns on site. Obviously in less developed areas that isn't the circumstance but i think it goes without saying the vast majority of people wouldn't provide any real defense against even a small group of orks. The universal sign of respect is a gunshot in the air and you see people drop to the ground, less they are packing and obviously dealt with.

Orks wouldn't really be interested in taking hostages either i'd imagine so it would probably erupt into chaos fast and i imagine people scrambling to pick up guns from shops that have been secured by military (for however long they could) and quickly mob rule would break out when military boundaries fail. Everyone would flee into the wilderness or the like somewhat like zombie doomsday nuts (i am one ) thinking that being away from people means you won't run into them as much which would clearly create dissatisfying results when squigs sniff em out.

Everyone keeps talking like only the boyz are making it planetside. Stompas, Gargants, all the smaller vehicles of mass destruction. somehow i doubt we can take down even one Stompa without using a Nuke, or throwing EVERYTHING we have at it.

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:
Everyone keeps talking like only the boyz are making it planetside. Stompas, Gargants, all the smaller vehicles of mass destruction. somehow i doubt we can take down even one Stompa without using a Nuke, or throwing EVERYTHING we have at it.

I'm assuming the orks can't transport gargants easily like IOM i would have to think that is something they work on for some time while earth is being taken over.

LADZ START KRUMPIN' DA 'UMIES.
Dats dat.
Nuff said.


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I can imagine a Deff Dread stamping down Bond Street, grabbing an SAS man in its' Klaw, and using its' Buzzsaw to saw his head.
Sounds very sadistic, but hey, that's the sort of thing a Dread does.

And then gets introduced to a 120 (125?)mm round.

Its scrap metal, after all, be it futuristic scarp metal or not, its going down from a AP shell.

 Bobthehero wrote:
And then gets introduced to a 120 (125?)mm round.

Its scrap metal, after all, be it futuristic scarp metal or not, its going down from a AP shell.

Lawl no, 40k fluff > RL tank would say we'd be lucky to match a heavy bolter or maybe assault cannon with our tank weaponry you have to remember that even a nasty shell like what you imagine isn't gonna do very much other than put a huge hole in it which more than likely will do nothing to it's combat effectiveness. Also a walker is probably gonna get someplace a tank isn't likely to get as well too 30-40 foot tall mekanical monster smashing through walls seeming pretty easy to avoid the slow aiming and los

HE shells then, if their armor is that gakky.

Heavy bolter? Please... that's 25 mm round, nowhere near the stuff we use. We have sniper rifles chambered in 25mm.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:
Everyone keeps talking like only the boyz are making it planetside. Stompas, Gargants, all the smaller vehicles of mass destruction. somehow i doubt we can take down even one Stompa without using a Nuke, or throwing EVERYTHING we have at it.

I'm assuming the orks can't transport gargants easily like IOM i would have to think that is something they work on for some time while earth is being taken over.

Fluff bit in the ork codex, page 53

Inbound: "dis is Nugrob da Slayer, callin'. I got me boyz wiv me. fort you lot might want to make a deal. You give us a thousand Shootas each time we visit, and yer ain"t got no more worries, see?"

Governor Kubris: "We'r not giving into your outrageous ultimatum - never!"

Inbound Shame about that, cos i got 'arf a dozen Dreadmobs and a couple a Gargants wiv me"

The underlines are mine.

Orks can transport everything they make. it is NEVER safe to assume that orks cannot do something. Nugrob is such a minor Warlord he does not even have a Waaagh listed in the map on page 19 of the codex.

Orks also have teleportation technology, tractor beams, power fields and much more - it might not always work but any of these will be exxrremly effecitve against modern military - especially if they have no diea what they are up against.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

Big Mek Dattrukk wrote:
Everyone keeps talking like only the boyz are making it planetside. Stompas, Gargants, all the smaller vehicles of mass destruction. somehow i doubt we can take down even one Stompa without using a Nuke, or throwing EVERYTHING we have at it.

I'm assuming the orks can't transport gargants easily like IOM i would have to think that is something they work on for some time while earth is being taken over.

They putt three gargants on a rokk. Crash rokk into wherever they want to start the fight. One gargant gets crushed on impact, one is heavily damaged and gets repaired by meks and one will be ready for action right away. That's the way orks do things.

We would have to put $20 trillion into a new military programme known as the Adeptus Astartes

Booo!

Nah, just start loading up on Flamethrowers, Napalm and Incindiery grenades. Fire Good.

Earth would be an Ork-infested jungle planet with trash in the ocean (more than now) and our skulls would line their forts.