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 Grey Templar wrote:
An animal's life is not comperable to a human's.


You know people used to say that about blacks and the disabled?

   
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Having emotions doesn't put an animal on the same level as a human. Humans have souls, animals don't.


 streamdragon wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
 streamdragon wrote:
So women who take the morning after pill are guilty of first degree murder?


If it causes the death of an embryo, yes.


So to follow up, if I cause an auto accident, and this woman suffers a miscarriage, I am guilty of manslaughter?


Yes, involuntary manslaughter. You caused the death of a human being, albeit unintentionally. And I'm sure you would be horrified at what you had just done.

You wouldn't be charged with murder, you didn't intend to kill anyone. But you did in an accident that you caused.

This is totally different to body processes, or any number of reasons, that a women has no control over that cause a miscarriage or the Embryo to never implant.


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 SilverMK2 wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
An animal's life is not comperable to a human's.


You know people used to say that about blacks and the disabled?


And that was wrong because they are still humans.

Until you can prove animals have souls they are not worth the same as a human.

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 streamdragon wrote:
 labmouse42 wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
An animal's life is not comperable to a human's.
Except for a heartbeat.
And eating/breathing. Many of them share the same vertebrate structure as you.
Many of them also have higher level feelings and emotions. If you had a pet dog you would know this.

Your a smart guy GT. It suprises me to see a comment like that come from you.

I believe the standard line is that non-human life does not have a soul, and is thus intrinsically inferior to human life.

Which I think is a load of crap, but there you are.


I had to get my soul removed due to health concerns does that make me not a human as well, or are there options to get soul implants?
   
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And now you just being silly.

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 streamdragon wrote:
 labmouse42 wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
An animal's life is not comperable to a human's.
Except for a heartbeat.
And eating/breathing. Many of them share the same vertebrate structure as you.
Many of them also have higher level feelings and emotions. If you had a pet dog you would know this.

Your a smart guy GT. It suprises me to see a comment like that come from you.

I believe the standard line is that non-human life does not have a soul, and is thus intrinsically inferior to human life.

Which I think is a load of crap, but there you are.


I've known horses who were more intelligent then the average human I interact with these days.

I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long


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The souls thing is such an arbitrary standard.

Can't we all just agree that humans are our own kind, and its only natural that we care a bit more about organisms of our own species than others? It's not like the rest of the animal kingdom is any different. Most species tend to be more discriminating towards others than they are towards their own.

   
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 streamdragon wrote:
I believe the standard line is that non-human life does not have a soul, and is thus intrinsically inferior to human life.

Which I think is a load of crap, but there you are.
Anyone who believes that must lie awake in fear at night that we might encounter intelligent extraterrestrial life.
Imagine if they treated us like those others treat animals....
   
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An excellent compromise LordofHats.

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 LordofHats wrote:
The souls thing is such an arbitrary standard.

Can't we all just agree that humans are our own kind, and its only natural that we care a bit more about organisms of our own species than others? It's not like the rest of the animal kingdom is any different. Most species tend to be more discriminating towards others than they are towards their own.


I've always felt that human rights come before animal rights, I love animals but there are a lot of problems with humanity as well.
   
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 LordofHats wrote:
Most species tend to be more discriminating towards others than they are towards their own.
Except dolphins, which have been known to help humans in the ocean.
   
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 labmouse42 wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
Most species tend to be more discriminating towards others than they are towards their own.
Except dolphins, which have been known to help humans in the ocean.


But also are one of the only species known to rape and murder besides humans.

I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long


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Hence my use of "most."

   
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 labmouse42 wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
Most species tend to be more discriminating towards others than they are towards their own.
Except dolphins, which have been known to help humans in the ocean.


And rape them as well.
   
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 LordofHats wrote:
Can't we all just agree that humans are our own kind, and its only natural that we care a bit more about organisms of our own species than others?
That's a reasonable compromise.
   
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 labmouse42 wrote:
 streamdragon wrote:
I believe the standard line is that non-human life does not have a soul, and is thus intrinsically inferior to human life.

Which I think is a load of crap, but there you are.
Anyone who believes that must lie awake in fear at night that we might encounter intelligent extraterrestrial life.
Imagine if they treated us like those others treat animals....


I don't believe aliens exist so that solves that. It just makes for damn fine entertainment.


And anyway, if said Aliens did come here and were so advanced, I really wouldn't expect them to treat us simple humans better then animals. Of course in this case it would just be one species believing it is superior to all other species.

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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.

MURICA!!! IN SPESS!!! 
   
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 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
 labmouse42 wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
Most species tend to be more discriminating towards others than they are towards their own.
Except dolphins, which have been known to help humans in the ocean.


But also are one of the only species known to rape and murder besides humans.
I've seen documentries of primates doing the same.
Canines (wolves) and felines (lions) have done the same.

Most of those cases are over territory which equals food sources.....of course this is getting off topic

 Grey Templar wrote:
I don't believe aliens exist so that solves that. It just makes for damn fine entertainment.
So you think that out of the billiions of solar systems in the universe, there was something magical about the earth that made life appear here and nowhere else.
This is from the hubble telescope. This is a patch of the night sky the sky of a pin. The next time your looking up at the sky, imagine all the galixies out there. The billions of worlds.


 Grey Templar wrote:
And anyway, if said Aliens did come here and were so advanced, I really wouldn't expect them to treat us simple humans better then animals. Of course in this case it would just be one species believing it is superior to all other species.
You should watch more science shows.

As I mentioned earlier, why do animals (and humans) complete and kill each other. Resources. Food and land.
Humankind if a few hundred years from developing nantotechnology (as described in the book "The Diamond Age"). When one has built machines to assemble molecues, you can stick a piece of dirt into your transmuter and pull out steaming bacon.

That's why aliens would not either care about us, or not want to take the earth. The simply would not need the resources.
(assuming they could survive in an oxygen filled environment. Oxygen is horribly corrosive. Look at what it does to iron. Cut an apple open and watch it go to work)

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Having emotions doesn't put an animal on the same level as a human. Humans have souls, animals don't.


Well, animals have magical fairy-dust and we don't. Go on, disprove it.

 Cheesecat wrote:
 purplefood wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Albatross far too often these days...

I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.


 Crazy_Carnifex wrote:

Okay, so the male version of "Cougar" is now officially "Albatross".
 
   
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, imagine this, you and your GF/BF/Booty call are getting busy, passionate and everything, the guy stops and says, "Let me put on the spermicide/condom"
Boom, Mood Killed.


I don't know if you remember the Femidom which was marketed in Europe but failed as a barrier method of contraception to help prevent AIDS.

It has been very successful in much of Africa, because it allows women to take control of contraception, not having tor ely on men to use condoms.

The interesting thing is, according to an article I read, that it has become part of the foreplay.

When the wife goes to put in her Femidom, the husband knows that sex is on the menu, and gets excited.

I'm writing a load of fiction. My latest story starts here... This is the index of all the stories...

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 SilverMK2 wrote:
"Well, I have epilepsy and was holding a knife when I had a seizure... I couldn't help it! I was just trying to chop the vegetables for dinner!"
 
   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
Until you can prove animals have souls they are not worth the same as a human.


Do you have any proof that humans (or indeed anything else) have a soul? I mean proof other than it says so in [insert your religious text here]. You know, actual proof.

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As I mentioned earlier, why do animals (and humans) complete and kill each other. Resources. Food and land.
Humankind if a few hundred years from developing nantotechnology (as described in the book "The Diamond Age"). When one has built machines to assemble molecues, you can stick a piece of dirt into your transmuter and pull out steaming bacon.


Somehow basing the future on fictional works seems like a bad idea to me.

Assuming all conflict hinges solely on material resources is also probably a bad idea XD

EDIT: Just saying. For all we know, those aliens are the IRKEN EMPIRE!

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 streamdragon wrote:

So to follow up, if I cause an auto accident, and this woman suffers a miscarriage, I am guilty of manslaughter?


You absolutely are!

Vehicular Homicide, Motor Vehicle Homicide, and so on. An example.

And if you kill the mother and child, you'll be facing two counts of homicide.

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 LordofHats wrote:
Somehow basing the future on fictional works seems like a bad idea to me.


Satellites were predicted in science fiction before they were invented, as were robots and continuous propulsion ion drives. Science fiction extrapolates from science. Sure, a lot of it can be off, but good science fiction is often eerily close to reality when it comes to predicting future developments.

   
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 SilverMK2 wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
Somehow basing the future on fictional works seems like a bad idea to me.


Satellites were predicted in science fiction before they were invented, as were robots and continuous propulsion ion drives. Science fiction extrapolates from science. Sure, a lot of it can be off, but good science fiction is often eerily close to reality when it comes to predicting future developments.


Yeah, but science fiction also proposed computers the size of a quanta, dog fights in space, beings made of pure energy, and hot green space women.

I.E. Just because something is presented as being possible in a work of fiction, isn't really a good reason to assume things will be that way. There's a multitude of problems in assuming all food problems will disappear because a nano-bot can magically turn dirt into bacon.

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 LordofHats wrote:
 SilverMK2 wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
Somehow basing the future on fictional works seems like a bad idea to me.


Satellites were predicted in science fiction before they were invented, as were robots and continuous propulsion ion drives. Science fiction extrapolates from science. Sure, a lot of it can be off, but good science fiction is often eerily close to reality when it comes to predicting future developments.


Yeah, but science fiction also proposed computers the size of a quanta, dog fights in space, beings made of pure energy, and hot green space women.

I.E. Just because something is presented as being possible in a work of fiction, isn't really a good reason to assume things will be that way.


All three of those things may still happen. Albeit the dog fights won't look near as cool as we hope, but space combat is what it is.

I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long


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 LordofHats wrote:
Yeah, but science fiction also proposed computers the size of a quanta, dog fights in space, and hot green space women.

I.E. Just because something is presented as being possible in a work of fiction, isn't really a good reason to assume things will be that way.


Quantum computers are certainly on the horizon. I'm pretty sure that when space flight becomes common place, there will be dog fights in space. As for hot space women... that can only be a matter of time

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
Somehow basing the future on fictional works seems like a bad idea to me.
Gotta love Zim!

Seriously, science-fiction has blazed the trails for science in more than one occasion.
Neal Stephenson does not just pull stuff out of his ass. He does a lot of research and writes his books around what he predicts will happen in the future.

If you have never read one of his books, I highly suggest Cryptonomicon.
   
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Computers cannot be the size of a quanta...

Quanta don't have 'size' even before one considers the laws of thermodynamics

Quantum computers are certainly on the horizon


Much like AI, people think quantum computers are something completely different from what they actually are.

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Alot of the time Science Fiction mearely comes up with names, the actual science isn't even close to each other, but the developers of the new technology decide to name their new product something cool. Something they've heard before etc...

The only reason Mobile Phones arn't called Communicators is because phones were around before Star Trek, and it just seemed natural to call a phone you can carry around a mobile phone.


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 LordofHats wrote:
Computers cannot be the size of a quanta...

Quanta don't have 'size' even before one considers the laws of thermodynamics


Quantum effects really blew away pretty much everything we knew about the sub-nanoscale universe. Whilst I would not put money on it happening in my lifetime, I'm sure that at some point we will have developed technology enough to be looking at whatever is below the quantum level.

   
 
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