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 Kilkrazy wrote:
The controversy over the 2000 election was the hanging chads in Florida, not the popular vote.

For some maybe. I lost a lot of faith in this country when no one even tried to reform the electoral college after that election.


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 Squigsquasher wrote:
I find it ironic that in what is supposed to be the world's greatest democracy that there are only 2 political parties with any chance of election. Over here we at least have a huge selection of bullets to shoot ourselves with. You get 2.

Also, if Romney wins I will be very, very angry.

In most states there's anywhere from 6 to 12 parties on the ballot - Libertarian, Green, Socialist etc.

But none of them ever manage more than a percent or two.

The big two have stacked the deck with a winner-take-all system and also, frankly know their work. The last several elections have all been only a few points apart. If any 3rd party starts to rise the big two work to steal their best ideas and undercut their chance for success.

The thing about the electoral college is, as dogma has pointed out, if the candidate receiving the electoral majority were reversed we'd be having the same conversation with the sides switched.

It lessens the disenfranchised victimhood angle when you know it's totally partisan. Plus, you know what we do to victims round these parts.

And in fairness, dogma would be laughing as people on either side had conniptions.

IIRC Bush actually win both the popular and the electoral in his second campaign. He lost both in the first, IIRC, but the Supremes cancelled the normal recount procedures and gave him Florida, giving him the electoral vote.

That's why dogma is blood of my blood.

Saw a lawn sign walking home from work today

"Vote for the black one 2012"

Found it amusing.

 LoneLictor wrote:
My point is, us democrats have earned an unfair win.

Eh, the only "unfair win" is the one you don't get.

I cant wait for continued wars of false pretense, thousands of dead Americans and many billions in added debt that Romney is chomping at the bit to get started on.

Good times await...

Get ready for the draft then when we go to war against multiple countries.

 Jihadin wrote:
Get ready for the draft then when we go to war against multiple countries.

Isn't that hat Romney's plan for the 47%?

All about your last four of your social. So if your in college you only have time to finish off that semester before induction.

Get your popcorn and brewski... it's going to be interesting till election day.

I don't give much credence to endorsement... but this... THIS takes the cake.

http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/topstory/ci_21822760/editorial-endorsement

Remember this is a MASSACHUSETTS Newspaper who endorsed Obama in 2008 in "Massa D+26 chusetts" endorsing Mitt with two weeks to go before election.

In The Sentinel & Enterprise’s view, that’s where America has fallen off track these past four years. America trusted a “hope and change” candidate, it didn’t work, and we’re suffering the consequences. Now we’ve got a tested leader with a proven track record standing before us — Mitt Romney — and it’s his time to inspire Americans to greatness.

Dayum!

Well it's not like Mittens was the Governor of the state they're based in or anything.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Well it's not like Mittens was the Governor of the state they're based in or anything.

Right... so... given their perspective... whaddayathink?

The editors of a newspaper in Western (the more rural end) Mass, a state which elected Scott Brown to take Ted Kennedy's seat in the Senate (mostly on the weight of votes from the Western end), have endorsed another Republican, who was moderate enough to get elected Governor of the same state?

Shock and awe!

Or, you know, yawns.

This is only some kind of shock or surprise to people who don't know anything about Massachusetts beyond the nickname "taxachusetts", and they only know that much from Fox News.

 Mannahnin wrote:
The editors of a newspaper in Western (the more rural end) Mass, a state which elected Scott Brown to take Ted Kennedy's seat in the Senate (mostly on the weight of votes from the Western end), have endorsed another Republican, who was moderate enough to get elected Governor of the same state?

Shock and awe!

Or, you know, yawns.

This is only some kind of shock or surprise to people who don't know anything about Massachusetts beyond the nickname "taxachusetts", and they only know that much from Fox News.

So... you saying it's a righty paper? o.O

And again Ragnar... I don't watch fox news. The only "FOX" I watch was the football/baseball games on local Fox channel and the FRINGE show.

I don't know the paper personally. I do know that Fitchburg isn't a suburb of Boston, that there are plenty of conservatives in MA (though they tend to be more moderate on social issues), and they managed to elect Scott Brown and Mitt Romney. Fitchburg is in Worcester County; as is the biggest rock radio station in MA, whose morning show I occasionally listen to on the way in to work, whose host is definitely on the Right end of the spectrum.

So no, there being a paper in Fitchburg that endorsed Romney is no shock to me.

 Mannahnin wrote:
I don't know the paper personally. I do know that Fitchburg isn't a suburb of Boston, that there are plenty of conservatives in MA (though they tend to be more moderate on social issues), and they managed to elect Scott Brown and Mitt Romney. Fitchburg is in Worcester County; as is the biggest rock radio station in MA, whose morning show I occasionally listen to on the way in to work, whose host is definitely on the Right end of the spectrum.

So no, there being a paper in Fitchburg that endorsed Romney is no shock to me.

Okay... good to know... that don't mind me.

I just saw this on the Yahoo aggregate as I was trawling for stuff today.

whembly wrote:Get your popcorn and brewski... it's going to be interesting till election day.

I don't give much credence to endorsement... but this... THIS takes the cake.

http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/topstory/ci_21822760/editorial-endorsement

Remember this is a MASSACHUSETTS Newspaper who endorsed Obama in 2008 in "Massa D+26 chusetts" endorsing Mitt with two weeks to go before election.

In The Sentinel & Enterprise’s view, that’s where America has fallen off track these past four years. America trusted a “hope and change” candidate, it didn’t work, and we’re suffering the consequences. Now we’ve got a tested leader with a proven track record standing before us — Mitt Romney — and it’s his time to inspire Americans to greatness.

Dayum!

My favourite part of the editorial is when they confused "He's got a track record of buying failing companies and turning them around" with "He's got a track record of buying failing companies and selling them off for parts like a chop shop, putting hundreds of thousands of American workers out of a job whilst moving those jobs overseas to Malaysia and Vietnam."

Oh, and I'll see your economics newspaper endorsing Romney, and raise you a Merle Haggard endorsing Obama.



For feth's sake. I think the Internet is broken or something. Here's the link.

 CT GAMER wrote:
I cant wait for continued wars of false pretense, thousands of dead Americans and many billions in added debt that Romney is chomping at the bit to get started on.

Good times await...

I must have missed that part of the stump speech.

I think I was closer to the mark than I realized when I started this thread. I wonder how much the storm is going to affect things like the publics perception of the candidates, and the response times for help.
One misstep, real or percieved, on either man's part could have huge consequenses.

When was the last time a presidential race WASN'T neck in neck?
I'm starting to think this is a fabrication of the news industry to keep viewership up.

 matphat wrote:
When was the last time a presidential race WASN'T neck in neck?

Reagan versus anyone. Most elections aren't blowouts, but they rarely are this close heading up to election. Usually someone who isn't an ideologue can see the writing on the wall, but this time it could really go either way at this point. I can't think of one in my lifetime that was this up in the air at this point in the election as this one is now.

"This will be an election you tell your kids about"

Yeah, I remember all those times my grandpa would gather us around the campfire and tell us about Truman defeating Dewey... We'd laugh and laugh and say "Tell it again, Grandpa. Again!" And he would.

Then he tell us about that ice storm that hit the state and he and his family were cold and had to burn a lot of wood. And we'd laugh and laugh and say "Tell it again, grandpa! Again!" And he would.

Good times...

matphat wrote:When was the last time a presidential race WASN'T neck in neck?
I'm starting to think this is a fabrication of the news industry to keep viewership up.

The last one didn't even pretend to be close. Gallup had 55/44 Clinton/Dole was 52/41 Clinton/Bush was 49/37 Bush/Dukakis Was 56/41
Nixon damn near doubled McGovern. Close races are not typical. Nobody really talks about Carter/Ford or Bush/Kerry.and those were real squeakers. We talk about Bush/Gore for pretty obvious reasons. So unless the House votes in the. new POTUS I doubt we'll give two gaks in the United Saints of America.

 kronk wrote:
"This will be an election you tell your kids about"

Yeah, I remember all those times my grandpa would gather us around the campfire and tell us about Truman defeating Dewey... We'd laugh and laugh and say "Tell it again, Grandpa. Again!" And he would.

Then he tell us about that ice storm that hit the state and he and his family were cold and had to burn a lot of wood. And we'd laugh and laugh and say "Tell it again, grandpa! Again!" And he would.

Good times...

This post is amazing.

 Mannahnin wrote:
And in fairness, dogma would be laughing as people on either side had conniptions.

IIRC Bush actually win both the popular and the electoral in his second campaign. He lost both in the first, IIRC, but the Supremes cancelled the normal recount procedures and gave him Florida, giving him the electoral vote.

Wrong..they only stopped a further recount. They didn't "give him the election". Even when Gores requested recounts were recounted by independent counters, Bush still won.

There is a case that could be made that the overcounts could have helped Gore..but overcounts were not part of "the normal recount procedure".

I'm from Florida..I lived that.


GG

Thanks Manny....if there's a chad count again I'm nuking your car....and your army on the table..

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Vote third party

I am. Go green.

 ENOZONE wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Vote third party

I am. Go green.

Suuuure, throw your vote away!

 Bromsy wrote:

 ENOZONE wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Vote third party

I am. Go green.

Suuuure, throw your vote away!

Honestly,

this is the dumbest crap I hear people say every election season.