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 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
I really feel like the Vindicares usefulness has been savagely lessened by "Look out Sir!" Killing Special weapons is great and all, but only killing 5-7 Special weapons guys a game is not worth his cost.

If you spend the first 3 turns selectively killing your opponents well placed melta guns, you've basically assured more of your tanks survive longer. It's not about making his points back - it's about killing what counts. Killing a few squad sergeants is just as points inefficient, but you're also only killing some extra close combat attacks. Killing a meltagun or missile launcher on your flank that has some vehicles means one of those vehicles potentially won't die.

Vindicare Assassin gets my vote, since he has the most cost effective weapon of them all.

Vindicare - I mean he can even punch through tank armor and ignore invulnerable saves.

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
Dakka, who do you think, pound for pound are the best Snipers in 40k?

For anything listed, its that unit with nothing. No dedicated transport, no IC attached, just them operating alone.

Fluff or TT?

TT sounds like the Vindicare Assassin

Fluff sounds like the Necron dudes

Vindicare... he really can change the game if used wisely

I'll take Ratlings for days, mind you when I saw the poll I was thinking from a 200 pt vs 200 pt stance. Ratlings are dirt cheap and have a decent BS

I'm suprised Deathmarks aren't coming second!

Yeah, Deathmarks are awesome. Not second place good but still.

Fluff wise, I think Deathmarks are the most dangerous. I'd rather have a Vindicare Assassin chasing me than a squad of Deathmarks,

My vote is for Eldar Pathfinders.

Do not get me wrong, the vindicare is amazing and takes out vehicles better, but pathfinders are just better in the "i will always take em" catagory.

First its a troops vs an elite choice option. second its a more guys for the points basis, pathfinders in most ruins are still 2+ cover and on a roll of 5 or 6 on shooting their guns are ap1, and those on 6's can be put where you want it.

The vindicare is good, but cant score, cant kill more then one thing a turn (granted that one thing may be a friggan landraider, but however, assume a horde army, now he shoots at the nob who can lookoutsir? sure he can pick off the melta, but if there are 12 of em? 1 per turn is kinda craaaap) second, with the number of shots that i see being put down on the table, you will kill the vindicare alot faster then the ranger squad.


Fluff wise? i would still go with pathfinders, the fluff of this game tends to favour imperium over all others, regardless of the fact that eldar pathfinders are generally ghosts in thought and act, communicate telepathically, have better sences annnnnd are generally older and "should" be more experienced (i say should since they are pathfinders and not rangers they should be specialized in this for a long time. however one vindicare could only know battle in the span of his life and may have seen more) but again, i also vote for the pathfinders caue they work as a team and not individually, so they could easily outmanuver/more shots

I've seen a vindicaire put down a predator one shot, then wreck the squad inside........

My vindicare took down a Baneblade...

I use him to take out heavy weapons and enemy commanders.

I love scouts with sniper rifles and a heavy bolter when they were BS 4. Now, they are useless as snipers.

 oracleofchange wrote:
I've seen a vindicaire put down a predator one shot, then wreck the squad inside........

Where are these Predator transports and how do I use them.

Of itself, the vindicare but give me pathfinders with a doom, guide warlock.

9 pathfinders... Average 4 AP 1 hits plus 4 regular hits... each wounding 75% of the time. 3 dead and 3 wounds with a chance of rending and target selection 1 or 2 times. Hard to kill and scoring. Drooling over an enemy terminator squad daring to show its face is awesome.

DAaddict wrote:
Of itself, the vindicare but give me pathfinders with a doom, guide warlock.

9 pathfinders... Average 4 AP 1 hits plus 4 regular hits... each wounding 75% of the time. 3 dead and 3 wounds with a chance of rending and target selection 1 or 2 times. Hard to kill and scoring. Drooling over an enemy terminator squad daring to show its face is awesome.

Yeah, but as soon as they're facing down 30 gaunts or Ork boys, they're suddenly not so scary.

You missed the best one: Marbo.

He comes with a sniper weapon.

And a demo charge, and a poisoned weapon, and an insane statline and stealth and move through cover and HE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!!

And he's super cheap. And he's right behind you.

 oracleofchange wrote:
I've seen a vindicaire put down a predator one shot, then wreck the squad inside........

I put down a Predator with a Pathfinder but mine did not have a squad inside.

It was a side armor shot

5 to hit = AP1
6 to Pen = STR 9
5 on the Rending roll = Pen
4 on Damage chart +2 because of AP1
BOOM!

Vindicare is better individually but point for point, I think Pathfinders are better.

 -Loki- wrote:

DAaddict wrote:
Of itself, the vindicare but give me pathfinders with a doom, guide warlock.

9 pathfinders... Average 4 AP 1 hits plus 4 regular hits... each wounding 75% of the time. 3 dead and 3 wounds with a chance of rending and target selection 1 or 2 times. Hard to kill and scoring. Drooling over an enemy terminator squad daring to show its face is awesome.

Yeah, but as soon as they're facing down 30 gaunts or Ork boys, they're suddenly not so scary.

True, do the same with a vindicare... They are not awesome against low cost hordes but they are there for very specialized responses.