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As said above I would like to create a new army for myself using the 2 armies that i never new exsisted when I began. They are by FAR my favorite armies for the fact of an all female army ( with few males) is just amazing and the black templars being my favorite classes to play in all RPG's ( except for paladins) was just an amazing find. I am a newer player and started with Dark Eldar as my first army. Sinse then I have gotten the startings of a Black Templar army and was wondering if it is even worth putting them together ( aside for a fun game at my LGS).

The bad news is that neither is very competative atm and with the sisters you are going to pay through the nose for models all of which are metal (save the tanks).

The good news is that both armies are long since due for a new codex. So maybe in the next year or two each force will get a bit of GW love.

Money is not the issue for myself atm. Just thought both together might be pretty cool. Do you think its even semi competitve?

Sisters are great. Just need a little luck. They are my favorite army to play. They are not very forgiving so there is a steep learning curve. Hardest part about them is getting their codex cheap. They are a white dwarf only release on two issues. So eBay or swap shop with a little luck. Usually around 40 for the pair.

This project sounds like a great idea. May I suggest having your sisters force be from the Order of the Valorous Heart since the two paint schemes and iconography are rather close.

 Zakiriel wrote:
This project sounds like a great idea. May I suggest having your sisters force be from the Order of the Valorous Heart since the two paint schemes and iconography are rather close.

That was the idea that i had. 2 holy warriors side by side defending the holy land is the idea i have.

It may or may not be competitive, but these two really do not work well together. Fluff-wise the black templars entire belief system is borderline heretical to the sisters, who the templars see as also being tools of a corrupt heretical order that violates Imperial truth. Not sure they'd work together much, if at all.

Between one's visions and the other's worship, they'd probably end up betraying each other for the good of the Imperium.


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Ever wonder why they're desperate allies? Of the IoM forces, they work together the worst!

 Lobukia wrote:
It may or may not be competitive, but these two really do not work well together. Fluff-wise the black templars entire belief system is borderline heretical to the sisters, who the templars see as also being tools of a corrupt heretical order that violates Imperial truth. Not sure they'd work together much, if at all.

Between one's visions and the other's worship, they'd probably end up betraying each other for the good of the Imperium.


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Ever wonder why they're desperate allies? Of the IoM forces, they work together the worst!

Bovine excrement. The biggest piece of fluff in the Black Templars Codex is about the Battle of Fire and Blood, where the Templars and Sisters work together against a powerful Daemon. Furthermore, in Helsreach the Sisters and Templars aren't hostile to each other either. The line of thought you're pushing is a piece of fan-explanation to why the Templars and the Sisters are Desperate Allies. Considering that Sidters and Space Wolves are Allies of Convenience I think you'll find that the Allies chart is fethed up.

I do not agree on the allies table either. It doesn't make sense As to why some can Ally and some can't. My sisters can Ally with dark eldar and tau on the same level as black Templar.

 Lobukia wrote:
It may or may not be competitive, but these two really do not work well together. Fluff-wise the black templars entire belief system is borderline heretical to the sisters, who the templars see as also being tools of a corrupt heretical order that violates Imperial truth. Not sure they'd work together much, if at all. Between one's visions and the other's worship, they'd probably end up betraying each other for the good of the Imperium. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ever wonder why they're desperate allies? Of the IoM forces, they work together the worst!

Nope - until the Allies table was "crafted" in the 6th Ed rulebook - apparently without anyone looking at the fluff - the Black Templars and Sisters work just fine together - certainly better than the Wolves and the Sisters.

The Templars have a Crusade banner hnouring the Sisters, have fought together on several occassions and for an Astartes Chapter are relatively close in their beliefs to the Sisterhood. There is every reason why they would work together - except for the stupid new table.

Short answer - you idea is very cool - the images previously look great and the Allies table is badly put together - In friendly games I would hope that you would be able to use them as Allies of Conveneince as it should be (like with Tau and Marines).

I wanted to do the same thing until the 6th ally chart came out. Which sucks because the local hobby shop started carrying Sisters. May still buy a few.

I cant speak for SoB but BT does just fine if you have a firm grasp on their tactics. If you are competitive be sure to check out Bolter and Chainsword under the Black Templar thread. Tons of tactics and builds; study well and you will stay current and hang with the current armys.

Fluff wise I would suggest a BT/IG (Steel Legion) alliance ala Armaggedon. IG is a great support unit to cover up holes for BT.

The Valorous Heart would indeed fit to the Black Templars - not just because of the colour scheme, but also because they are apparently the most penitent of the six Major Orders Militant.



The Ebon Chalice might be nice, too, at least visually. True, you'd miss out on the cross, but they have a little more white in their colour scheme, which might look nice next to the Black Templars with their white pauldrons.

Also, +1 to the Allies Chart being ridiculously unfluffy. My suggestion would be to simply ignore it; I do not think anyone would truly protest if you field them by another combination, although of course your opponent should be consulted beforehand with what alliance level he or she would be comfortable with.

But one thing we should not over look is the fact that sisters and the Inquistion work closely together.... something the Black Templar DOES frown upon, if i am not mistaken.

I do agree, it is kinda BS that they are not buddy buddy on that chart.

I would recommend against including the two in one force due to the Ally rules. If you are dead-set on it, I would use counts-as to field another codex (C:SM, C:SW, etc) and Sisters.

On the positive side: With both armies you don't have to bother with new Codices or miniatures for years

And I agree: Make complete armies and forget allies at the beginning.

 Kroothawk wrote:
On the positive side: With both armies you don't have to bother with new Codices or miniatures for years

Ouch.

 Kroothawk wrote:
On the positive side: With both armies you don't have to bother with new Codices or miniatures for years

And I agree: Make complete armies and forget allies at the beginning.

If that leaked release list from a cpl months back is remotely accurate, we should have a box of Neophytes and other BT-related goodness coming relatively soon.

I continue to hope sisters get something new soon. Unlikely but It may happen. Just got another 2k of sisters in today so I'm happy. I'm actually a fan of their molds, minus the repentia mistress leader and dialogus.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
On the positive side: With both armies you don't have to bother with new Codices or miniatures for years

And I agree: Make complete armies and forget allies at the beginning.

If that leaked release list from a cpl months back is remotely accurate, we should have a box of Neophytes and other BT-related goodness coming relatively soon.

If by relatively soon you mean Q2/3 next year, maybe.

Hardcore zealots + Hardcore zealots = fluffy awesomeness.

To everyone above that said to do separate armies, the idea is to do both ideas i want a SOB and BT list, as well as the idea to take them together to get the best of both worlds. I was more asking in the fluff if it made sense if they were together because i seen that they were desperate allies. Which to me made no sense whats so ever seeing them both as holy warriors protecting the emperor ect.

The fluff is all behind you - the only thing against is the poorly put together Ally chart.

This does of course mean that you will have difficulties playing in RAW tournaments etc. but if thats not an issue go for it.

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
The bad news is that neither is very competative atm and with the sisters you are going to pay through the nose for models all of which are metal (save the tanks).

The good news is that both armies are long since due for a new codex. So maybe in the next year or two each force will get a bit of GW love.

There are rumours based on some leaked release list that Sisters are getting a resculpt and update.

I'm curious as to how many people will buy them though, might be a little too 'gay' to use girly miniatures, based on my local GS. They definitely deserve a proper codex though, or maybe just put it all under a Codex: Inquisition or something.

Black Templar model range seems to be done and ready for production for quite some time, doesn't mean they are released soon.
Plastic Sororitas have been worked on, doesn't mean they are released soon.
Tau model range is complete for quite some time, will probably see a release next year.
Yeah, GW makes weird things sometimes.

I'd totally buy some Sisters if I could get a proper Inquisition book; I've got some side fluff written about an Inquisitor who fields a detachment of Stormtroopers and Sisters that was legal under the 3e Hereticus book that isn't anymore.

I'd also prefer a proper Codex for the Sisters of Battle in addition to plastic models; they haven't changed a lot from the 3e book except that they neutered Acts of Faith significantly, which makes them suck.

Plastic Sisters have been rumored for as long as I have been playing. (10-15 years)

As for Sisters sucking... Umm, results differ with that opinion.

Sisters...they're good-looking and good as in ratings, but you need a few of them, and some strategic ideas to get you through those bloody orks or eldar

I am not talking about Sister rumours, but Jes Goodwin talking about about his work on them.

I will say though, that I do believe that the sisters have waited long enough for models and for a proper codex. It seems as if GW doesnt ever want these guys to go full scale almost?

Lunacara wrote:
I will say though, that I do believe that the sisters have waited long enough for models and for a proper codex. It seems as if GW doesnt ever want these guys to go full scale almost?

i hope not. they are a great army, and GW did promise to never "squat out" an army ever again