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And is it to much to ask to get FW Catachan Vets with SHOTGUNS? I like converting and kit bashing as much as the next guy...but c'mon!!!

FW mostly makes stuff to tie in with their books, they haven't written anything with Catachans in it, so it wouldn't make sense.

Yeah it's the plastic kit. What does it for me is that there's very little posing alterations you can make without sculpting new shoulder/arm muscle. Out of 20 guys you're gonna be able to get maybe 5 who are doing something interesting, if you've got some command squad and HWS bits.

My best tip is using catachan legs and flak vest torsos with arms from empire flagellants, makes a much more realistic vietnam veteran looking dude. Really looking out for a plastic cultist set for this reason as well.

All my IG is Catachan. I only have a few plastic models. The plastic models are maybe the worst of all the basic infantry models from the GW spectrum. The older metal models are great and now, hard to come by.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
It's come to my attention that on Dakka and in the wargaming community, there's lots of people who don't like Catachans. They call them stupid Rambos, crapachans, and other names. I just want to ask why? In my opinion, Rambo is awesome in the movies, as was Schwarzenegger, and all the other 80's action heroes that inspired Catachans. Yes, they are a rip-off but can't it be excused for something as awesome as jungle Rambos that get 5+ and 4+ saves because of their flak or carapace abs? Please just list reasons Catachans are hated or are awesome and not just "they're stupid".

It has nothing to do with Catchans and their background, but everything to do with the terrible plastic figures that came out with them that have muscled arms as big around as a space marine arm that is in armor. They just look terrible. That is why many folks dislike them.

If there was another decent GW heroic scale set of figures dressed as jungle fighters I wouldn't mind playing a catchan force at all.

Skriker

I agree with the horrible kit. I never bought one, but my friend did to make different (as the Cadian kit looked to army for him) Having to remove the lasgun's stock and grip to stick to to the arm is a horrible method of doing things.

To Inquisitor Ehrenstein, any fan made Catachan codex's would be greatly appreciated.

Edited by AgeOfEgos

deadbolt wrote:

This entire post is grossly disrespectful to the veterans depicted.

Troll account or not, you should be ashamed.

deadbolt 484741 4921780 wrote:worst post I've seen on dakka

Excuse me?

Those "losers" as you call them fought for the country you call home in miserable conditions to defend your god given rights. Doing anything but showing them absolute respect is completely uncalled for and disturbing. As a member of the armed forces, people like you make me cringe at the thought of going off to fight. There's enough to deal with in some foreign land, let alone the very people you are protecting calling you a "loser".

I would appreciate it greatly if you never said anything like that ever again. Thanks.

Also, you posted a picture of Heinrich Himmler. Putting "(not being a nazi here)" doesn't excuse you from it. And to your last sentence, no. The marines WERE better than the German Wehrmacht. History disagrees with you.

 Ignatius wrote:

deadbolt 484741 4921780 wrote:worst post I've seen on dakka

Excuse me?

Those "losers" as you call them fought for the country you call home in miserable conditions to defend your god given rights. Doing anything but showing them absolute respect is completely uncalled for and disturbing. As a member of the armed forces, people like you make me cringe at the thought of going off to fight. There's enough to deal with in some foreign land, let alone the very people you are protecting calling you a "loser".

I would appreciate it greatly if you never said anything like that ever again. Thanks.

Thank you for your service.

-Captain

Does GW realise that if humans had muscles that big they would have so little cardio that they would gas out and collapse about 30 seconds into a fight!

Guys, really, T4 is Space Marine and Ork levels--one of which is a giant gene-engineered superhuman, the other one considers decapitation fatal if left untreated. 40K isn't granular enough to give out extra Toughness to differentiate "in shape human" from "really tough human."

Something like stealth and "move through cover" makes sense. Making Catachans as tough as Space Marines and alien horrors does not.

Arturius wrote:
Guys, really, T4 is Space Marine and Ork levels--one of which is a giant gene-engineered superhuman, the other one considers decapitation fatal if left untreated. 40K isn't granular enough to give out extra Toughness to differentiate "in shape human" from "really tough human."

Something like stealth and "move through cover" makes sense. Making Catachans as tough as Space Marines and alien horrors does not.

While I agree with you, I think you're forgetting that you're using logic in warhammer.

Col. Straken, a "really tough human", has a s equal to a daemon prince, equal to a hive tyrant, and stronger than that of a ork warboss. This human, who is tiny compared to even a space marine, has enough bits in him to make him stronger than monsters that tower over him that are made of nothing more than anger and muscle.

True, Straken is filled with bionics, but those bionics are apparently a technology that surpasses much of what the astartes appearantly walk around with.

In other words, take your logic ball and go home, lol.

Special characters are... well, special. They get to distort the game around them. That's sort of their point.

Asking that a particular type of Guardsman get a statline equal to or better than Space Marines just because is a little silly.

Arturius wrote:
Special characters are... well, special. They get to distort the game around them. That's sort of their point.

Asking that a particular type of Guardsman get a statline equal to or better than Space Marines just because is a little silly.

Why? Veterans shoot like Space Marines.

 Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:
To be fair the plastic catachans are some of the oldest unchanged basic troops still in production, and are desperatly in need of a update.

I have bought and modified my fair share of these minis, and hate the headbands and nid beater shirts...but meh it is a old design..look at the orcs that GW made at that time too...



so ..yeah hate the minis, dont mind the fluff..would be nice to see them gets some nice FW stuff, boonies and slouch caps with rolled up sleeves would be much more welcome, then the roid freeks

Plastic Catachans are nowhere near that old. The metal Catachans available at the time of those Orks were far superior. Plastic Catachans came out in the late 90s, around the same time as the Space Marines, Orks, Chaos Marines, and Eldar Guardians that have remained fundamentally unchanged through now. It's strange too, since the Perry bros and Jes Goodwin worked on the plastic Catachans. I'm absolutely baffled that they went so wrong.

 TheCaptain wrote:

Arturius wrote:
Special characters are... well, special. They get to distort the game around them. That's sort of their point.

Asking that a particular type of Guardsman get a statline equal to or better than Space Marines just because is a little silly.

Why? Veterans shoot like Space Marines.

Sure. Plenty of characters have WS or BS 4.

Baseline humans, aside from some special characters, do not get more than T3 S3. That's been consistent.

Fluff is fun.

Guys like Marbo are awsome.

The models look horrible.
The guys running around shirtless have the same armor save as the Cadians who are decked out in body armor.... is fething dumb.


So in short, get new models, with unque rules and you got no problems

The metal catachans were my first real 40k army and I have a full metal Catachan infantry army that makes up 2000 points in todays prices. The plastics are horrible though.

The big problem with a Catachan codex is that it would be far too specialised if it was done properly or far too close to the IG codex if it was designed to fit into the main game. The old Codex:Catachans made them extremely nasty (and fun) in jungle terrain and utterly hopeless anywhere else, basically it was only really useable in scenario games. GW just doesn't do stuff like that anymore.

You still can make a reasonable approximation of Catachans under the current 'dex.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
It's come to my attention that on Dakka and in the wargaming community, there's lots of people who don't like Catachans. They call them stupid Rambos, crapachans, and other names. I just want to ask why? In my opinion, Rambo is awesome in the movies, as was Schwarzenegger, and all the other 80's action heroes that inspired Catachans. Yes, they are a rip-off but can't it be excused for something as awesome as jungle Rambos that get 5+ and 4+ saves because of their flak or carapace abs? Please just list reasons Catachans are hated or are awesome and not just "they're stupid".

Majority of the models are poor, the fluff is OK, but it doesn't fit how the models should be, and not everyone finds Rambo good nor is a straight rip-off.

This thread seems to be doing good, other than that one disrespectful post... Anyway, this is a more realistic Catachan profile-

Catachan Infantryman- 15pts
WS BS S T I W A Ld Sv
4 4 3 3 4 1 2 8 -
Special Rules: Stealth, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
This thread seems to be doing good, other than that one disrespectful post... Anyway, this is a more realistic Catachan profile-

Catachan Infantryman- 15pts
WS BS S T I W A Ld Sv
4 4 3 3 4 1 2 8 -
Special Rules: Stealth, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover

Giving them BS4 seems a bit silly, wouldn't you say? Doesn't really have much fluff backing.

Maybe BS 4 for vets/catachan devils, and BS 3 for the infantrymen?

Nah, they'd probably be more like

WS: 4

BS: 3

S: 3

T: 3

I: 3

W: 1

A: 1 (but can switch to pistols and ccw, or they have their own lascarbines, which are assault weapons)

LD: 7 (They are known to disobey far more often)

Sv: 6, they still have flak jackets, at the very least.

Special Rules: Stealth, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover

Points: 6-7

 TheCaptain wrote:

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
This thread seems to be doing good, other than that one disrespectful post... Anyway, this is a more realistic Catachan profile-

Catachan Infantryman- 15pts
WS BS S T I W A Ld Sv
4 4 3 3 4 1 2 8 -
Special Rules: Stealth, Infiltrate, Move Through Cover

Giving them BS4 seems a bit silly, wouldn't you say? Doesn't really have much fluff backing.

I guess it would depend how much structure the command squad has, I mean Catachans don't respect many higher-ups and would probably implement a weaker order system. BS4 would work as long as they don't have first rank, second rank which would also seen kinda dumb

Bobthehero's idea sound very good. Didn't think about them switching to pistol and ccw. Good idea. Probably 7pts.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Maybe BS 4 for vets/catachan devils, and BS 3 for the infantrymen?

That goes without saying, vets from any regiments are BS 4.

Also, if there were a catachan codex, I don't think they'd be able to take orders. Maybe, for gameplay, but catachans doing a first rank/second rank fire doesn't sound like their fluff.

 Color Sgt. Kell wrote:
Also, if there were a catachan codex, I don't think they'd be able to take orders. Maybe, for gameplay, but catachans doing a first rank/second rank fire doesn't sound like their fluff.

I agree, but I think they would need something to deal out a large amount of shots in a pinch
or perhaps secretly designating terrain features as traps and when an enemy unit enters it you can deep strike a unit right next to it, like an ambush.