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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Leerstetten, Germany

Jon Steward had a good segment this week on military certificates and how they are often useless in civilian life. Really sucks.
   
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Fixture of Dakka






Being as I never even bothered to tell potential employers about them, you might say I had guessed that.
They sound good at the time, but I didn't take them to get hired later, I was looking for a raise.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.

Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
 
   
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Leerstetten, Germany

 AustonT wrote:
Being as I never even bothered to tell potential employers about them, you might say I had guessed that.
They sound good at the time, but I didn't take them to get hired later, I was looking for a raise.


I think the segment might have been more about the general "jobs" in the military. He had a couple combat medics whose training and experience in keeping our soldiers from dying qualifies them to take vital signs and to drive an ambulance in civilian life.
   
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 Alfndrate wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I never understand why people dont want a job while in college, Im taking 3 classes, Ten units, and i work 14 hours a week, Last semester i worked sometime 20 hours a week with 14 credits. Isnt College the time you most want a job?

This neatly summarizes everything I want to say about this:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im a college student, and i will admit, I know very little about sentence structure.
If your ask me, I think its because of how flipping bad English teachers are.

That and you're a sociology major. I considered attaching a meme.


I would like to point out that I held a job for all 5 years of college. Now before you (all) go ripping into me about my length of time spent at Uni, my degree program is impossible to complete in 4 years without AP credit, Post-Secondary work, or summer classes, a fact they failed to mention to me. During that time, I worked on average 20 hours a week, maintained a solid GPA hovering right about 3.0. I never have been an ace student, but I did work my arse off, and am proud of my college career. My final three semesters were all above a 3.6. I agree that students in college should spend their time going to class, doing well, and having fun at the same time. I just cut 20 hours of fun or studying out of my week. It happens, but it can be done. Looking back, I would probably have attempted to have more fun, and less money, but that's life.

Lord knows I've got crazy college stories.


Maybe I've been reading the wrong sources but isn't 5 years to complete a "4 year" program rather normal these days? I can only really think of a handful of people I know who didn't make it to being a Super Senior, or more. Hell I graduated from high school in 2004 and didn't graduate from college until 2010. Granted that included pretty much a whole year off school smack dab in the middle of it to deal with a family crisis, but still. I can't really see realistically ripping into someone for taking a few extra semesters to finish a program .
   
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 d-usa wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
Being as I never even bothered to tell potential employers about them, you might say I had guessed that.
They sound good at the time, but I didn't take them to get hired later, I was looking for a raise.


I think the segment might have been more about the general "jobs" in the military. He had a couple combat medics whose training and experience in keeping our soldiers from dying qualifies them to take vital signs and to drive an ambulance in civilian life.

First I'd like to circle back to the part where a comedian who claims he doesn't do news is now producing articles wit journalistic integrity. It's not a slight on Jon, it should be on the MSM.
Yeah, I get where that happens and it's frustrating. By especially in the medical field .mil experience doesn't transfer over into comparable jobs. A medic in the field has significantly more decision making latitude than the EMT job he is nominally comparable to. That's why a lo of them become Nurses or PAs, and relatively easily given thier experience.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.

Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






Leerstetten, Germany

 AustonT wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
Being as I never even bothered to tell potential employers about them, you might say I had guessed that.
They sound good at the time, but I didn't take them to get hired later, I was looking for a raise.


I think the segment might have been more about the general "jobs" in the military. He had a couple combat medics whose training and experience in keeping our soldiers from dying qualifies them to take vital signs and to drive an ambulance in civilian life.

First I'd like to circle back to the part where a comedian who claims he doesn't do news is now producing articles wit journalistic integrity. It's not a slight on Jon, it should be on the MSM.


The comedian often has more real news and often much better and hard hitting interviews than any of the talking heads on the MSM. I don't know if that says more about him or the MSM, but it is a bit sad. I do think that his interviews in particular seem much better and less reserved than actual "news people".

Yeah, I get where that happens and it's frustrating. By especially in the medical field .mil experience doesn't transfer over into comparable jobs. A medic in the field has significantly more decision making latitude than the EMT job he is nominally comparable to. That's why a lo of them become Nurses or PAs, and relatively easily given thier experience.


I work with a combat medic, he is an LPN at our hospital which is a very basic nurse and he officially can't even assess a patient, let alone do many skills. As an RN I have to do a lot of stuff for him just because they are outside his scope of practice. If it wasn't for what he was "allowed" to do he could out-nurse me on most days.
   
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My mother was an LPN in a NICU back when she was in college. Because of the shortage of RNs her responsibilities were identical to RNs on the floor. Now LPN is basically a prerequisite for a lot of nursing programs and LPNs get treated like PCTs which is ridiculous.
TLDR: I know what you mean.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.

Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
 
   
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New Orleans, LA

 Chongara wrote:

Maybe I've been reading the wrong sources but isn't 5 years to complete a "4 year" program rather normal these days?


It is. 4.5-5 years sounds normal. I only graduated in 4 years because I took a full load of night classes every summer while I worked during the day. I also took one quarter off to internship as an Engineer, too. That was Fall 1994 through Spring 1998, though. Now, that's more of the exception than the norm.

 AustonT wrote:

In that case it seems likely my certificates in small team management, project management, and managerial budgeting are from LSS...or not who knows?


As for your classes you took in the military, AustinT, I don't know if they were "LSS classes" or not, but I doubt it. Those sound like general project management courses. You'd know if it was LSS. They will generally have some Belt associated with the training. Yellow, Green, or Black.

As for hiring military vs non-military, we've generally had more success with the folks from the military than those that weren't. Disciplined, think on their feet, potential shift supervisors and so on. Of course, we have a few guys we hired that are lumps, but you get that in every group.

As for education, if you have a chance with the GI Bill to get a degree, take advantage of it. College is freaking expensive, and everyone wants to see a degree (right or wrong), unless you're just going for a general manufacturing job.

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Lakewood, Ohio

 Chongara wrote:


Spoiler:
 Alfndrate wrote:
 AustonT wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I never understand why people dont want a job while in college, Im taking 3 classes, Ten units, and i work 14 hours a week, Last semester i worked sometime 20 hours a week with 14 credits. Isnt College the time you most want a job?

This neatly summarizes everything I want to say about this:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im a college student, and i will admit, I know very little about sentence structure.
If your ask me, I think its because of how flipping bad English teachers are.

That and you're a sociology major. I considered attaching a meme.


I would like to point out that I held a job for all 5 years of college. Now before you (all) go ripping into me about my length of time spent at Uni, my degree program is impossible to complete in 4 years without AP credit, Post-Secondary work, or summer classes, a fact they failed to mention to me. During that time, I worked on average 20 hours a week, maintained a solid GPA hovering right about 3.0. I never have been an ace student, but I did work my arse off, and am proud of my college career. My final three semesters were all above a 3.6. I agree that students in college should spend their time going to class, doing well, and having fun at the same time. I just cut 20 hours of fun or studying out of my week. It happens, but it can be done. Looking back, I would probably have attempted to have more fun, and less money, but that's life.

Lord knows I've got crazy college stories.


Maybe I've been reading the wrong sources but isn't 5 years to complete a "4 year" program rather normal these days? I can only really think of a handful of people I know who didn't make it to being a Super Senior, or more. Hell I graduated from high school in 2004 and didn't graduate from college until 2010. Granted that included pretty much a whole year off school smack dab in the middle of it to deal with a family crisis, but still. I can't really see realistically ripping into someone for taking a few extra semesters to finish a program .


5 years is becoming the norm. Most of the people I knew and went to school with were in college for 4 years. Only the education majors I went to school with were the ones possibly taking it to 5 years...

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It does take significantly longer to complete degrees. I'm in my 3rd years, and I am still in general ed.

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Lakewood, Ohio

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It does take significantly longer to complete degrees. I'm in my 3rd years, and I am still in general ed.


Really? With the exception of an art and science class, I was only completely major specific work.

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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes




Kelowna BC

My English Lit / Liberal Studies (don't laugh) degree took me 6 years or so, but I went about it in a roundabout way. Graduated high school in '97, worked at entry level unskilled jobs for a year or two, went back and upgraded math, physics, chem, and biology, then went into BA English around 2001. Some years I worked, and some years I did school full time. I didn't go to college to party, but I did have a pretty good time. College kids tell themselves that they're too busy to work while they attend school, but for most programs, that's bs. I thought I was busy being a parent and working, until I started running my own business. And I thought that was busy until I went to Depot and worked 17 hours days 7 days a week for six months. Being out in the field on shift work and doing up to 8 files a night is pretty busy, though.
   
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 Alfndrate wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It does take significantly longer to complete degrees. I'm in my 3rd years, and I am still in general ed.


Really? With the exception of an art and science class, I was only completely major specific work.

Part time student.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.

Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut






New Orleans, LA

Yeah, by my Junior year of college, I was taking all Engineering and Chemistry courses with a few electives sprinkled in.

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Corn, IL, USA

Currently on my 5th year of college but I will be leaving in Dec with my Masters in Computer Science. My job includes keeping a small (5 switches/routers and 15 machines) running on a network made to let networking students dink around with CISCO switches and routers. This means I have a lot of downtime (like right now and earlier when I played a game of Supreme Commander). I was going to shoot for State Farm for my "career" (as they call it). Over the years I've worked as a seasonal janitor at my local high school, a dishwasher (two times at different locations), a "Morning Stock Crew Member" at Menard's and the local computer guy. Lately I've been spending time on Civilization V, Dwarf Fortress and MineCraft.
   
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I don't really have a hobby that I support, but I'm enlisted, waiting to ship out. I can't imagine what my hobbies will be within the limitations of Barracks life. Besides buying a brand spanking new computer and a couple new sets of clothes, I'll probably continue with being a wabo, which can be expensive, if you're a good person and don't just pirate everything.


If only ZUN!bar were here... 
   
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Kelowna BC

 Samus_aran115 wrote:
I'll probably continue with being a wabo, which can be expensive, if you're a good person and don't just pirate everything.


Wabo?
   
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*anime fan

haha, Dakka filters the word, but that's fine.

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If only ZUN!bar were here... 
   
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Reading, England

I am starting my new job as a Health Care Assistant on Monday, it will be my first full time job and means the end of almost 2 years of unemployment.

Jobs I had before were as a party host then kitchen assistant at a bowling alley, sales assistant at a crummy store and a casualty simulator-basically got paid to pretend to be unconscious or hurt.

Bruins fan till the end.

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 Samus_aran115 wrote:
I don't really have a hobby that I support, but I'm enlisted, waiting to ship out. I can't imagine what my hobbies will be within the limitations of Barracks life. Besides buying a brand spanking new computer and a couple new sets of clothes, I'll probably continue with being a wabo, which can be expensive, if you're a good person and don't just pirate everything.


Depending on your drinking habits, you should have plenty of time and opportunity, plus money to game or whatever hobby you have Also, depending on what base you get first, you may want to pick up a car of some type, just to get around and get things done.
   
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 Alfndrate wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It does take significantly longer to complete degrees. I'm in my 3rd years, and I am still in general ed.


Really? With the exception of an art and science class, I was only completely major specific work.

Well TBH i would be out of here now if i did'nt have to work my way up to transferable classes.

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Lakewood, Ohio

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It does take significantly longer to complete degrees. I'm in my 3rd years, and I am still in general ed.


Really? With the exception of an art and science class, I was only completely major specific work.

Well TBH i would be out of here now if i did'nt have to work my way up to transferable classes.


AustonT also informed me of your part-time student status, which is another way to explain the gen ed classes.

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The Void

 kronk wrote:

 AustonT wrote:

In that case it seems likely my certificates in small team management, project management, and managerial budgeting are from LSS...or not who knows?


As for your classes you took in the military, AustinT, I don't know if they were "LSS classes" or not, but I doubt it. Those sound like general project management courses. You'd know if it was LSS. They will generally have some Belt associated with the training. Yellow, Green, or Black.\.


LSS? As in Six Sigma? I'm a Six Sigma Yellow Belt, most of the naval aviation field is at least the same, it's all part of the "Airspeed" program which is designed to keep us cost conscious and efficient from a business/financial perspective.

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 Alfndrate wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
It does take significantly longer to complete degrees. I'm in my 3rd years, and I am still in general ed.


Really? With the exception of an art and science class, I was only completely major specific work.

Well TBH i would be out of here now if i did'nt have to work my way up to transferable classes.


AustonT also informed me of your part-time student status, which is another way to explain the gen ed classes.

This semester I'm part time, other semesters I wasn't, only reason I am only taking 10 units this semester is math, Its not my best so I need to dedicate more time to it. I might go to part time for the next two semesters, I need 18 more units to transfer, which is a very bad idea for one semester, so I'm going to spread it out over the next couple of semesters.

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Assuming that your classes are 3 units per class? With the exception of my second semester first year, my entire career was 17 and 18 credits a semester...

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Well 12 is the amount needed for full time status. So they tend to be 4-3 units.
And I doupt i could do that, I get stressed out now. I need a small workload.

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My job is to assess and catalog people's online names, as well as make notes and observations.

For example 'd-usa' works and is a fitting name, but if you remove the hyphen and get 'dusa', well that is just silly. Someone has to notice these things, for future generations.

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Ahtman...so thats a typo and you meant Hatman?

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Warning: Stupid Allergy
Once you pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is no longer your friend
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RIP Muhammad Ali.

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 Jihadin wrote:
Ahtman...so thats a typo and you meant Hatman?


Nope.

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