How powerfull where the Emperor?

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**Grey Templar**

Harriticus wrote:
AnomanderRake wrote:
Significantly less powerful than everyone gives him credit for. Remember the story about Horus saving the Emperor's ass when the Emperor was getting strangled by an Ork Warboss? A puny WS5/I4/60pt Warboss? Maybe a WS6 Ork special character if you're feeling generous.

I'm really curious as to exact source of this story. The source I've seen on Blackfang has never mentioned this. Keep in mind there's a fan-fic profile on Blackfang being passed around as canon.

And stats aren't translatable onto tabletop. An Ork Warboss doesn't have "stats" in the story. Especially since in fluff, the more successful a Warboss the larger and more powerful they become to the point where guys like Ghazghkull are pretty much monstrously powerful.

Only the rules for Blackfang are fanmade. The fluff is ripped straight out of GW fluff.

**Void__Dragon**

KingDeath wrote:
They merely retreat from their pawn, just as they always do when one of their champions fails. At least the William King story mentions nowhere that the chaos gods were in any danger.
As i said before, the carriongod is/was an alpha+ psyker. Very old, very experienced and very powerful but there were and there are others who can, at least partialy, match his shown feats of psychic might.

Name them.

The Burning Princess has nothing vaguely resembling a feat, and the Cacodominus could only create a small, localised ripple in the Astronomicon which the Emperor powers.

**KingDeath**

Void__Dragon wrote:
KingDeath wrote:
They merely retreat from their pawn, just as they always do when one of their champions fails. At least the William King story mentions nowhere that the chaos gods were in any danger.
As i said before, the carriongod is/was an alpha+ psyker. Very old, very experienced and very powerful but there were and there are others who can, at least partialy, match his shown feats of psychic might.

Name them.

The Burning Princess has nothing vaguely resembling a feat, and the Cacodominus could only create a small, localised ripple in the Astronomicon which the Emperor powers.

The Emperor doesn't ( and never did )power the Astronomican, he merely directs it's energies ( thousands of psykers power it ). If the Cacodominus truly managed to control over a thousand worlds with his mind ( instead of being a powerful psyker who controled a thousand worlds ) then he displayed a kind of psychic ability far above and beyond of anything we have seen from the carriongod so far.
The burning Princess is able to burn holes trough warship armour, which make here the most powerful pyrokine so far described.

**Roadkill Zombie**

He scares the snot out of the 4 chaos powers but Gork and Mork just laugh at him. He has no power over them. At all. He tries and tries to warn them away from his worlds but they just laugh and destroy them anyway. Da Emprah iz a wimp Kompared to Gork and Mork!

**jonolikespie**

AnomanderRake wrote:
jonolikespie wrote:
John Grammaticus, he wasn't an imperial (and this was before the Emperor was worshiped anyway) so his perspective wouldn't be tainted. He was an accomplished psyker but before the Emperor he felt like a candle next to a sun.

That tells us that the Emperor was powerful. It doesn't tell us how powerful he was in relation to the psykers of today. Does the story give us any remarks on Grammaticus' feelings on meeting Eldrad?

No but he wasn't impressed by the generic farseer.
Also he was at least a thousand years old and at least a mid strength psyker, which would still be mid (low Delta/Gamma level?) in the 41st millenium (or better considering pretty much everything from that era was better).

**Void__Dragon**

KingDeath wrote:
The Emperor doesn't ( and never did )power the Astronomican, he merely directs it's energies ( thousands of psykers power it ).

It's strange how you think that directing psychic energy throughout the length and breadth of the galaxy to allow the Imperium space travel is not up to par.

Also, the psykers feed the Emperor's psychic appetite, it is him who powers it. I don't recall him needing their power to maintain it during the Great Crusade.

"His immense psychic Powers
reach out from the Golden Throne, enveloping and protecting
Mankind across the enemy-strewn galaxy, a beacon of light in
the rnalevolent darkness."
- 6e rulebook, page 137

If the Cacodominus truly managed to control over a thousand worlds with his mind ( instead of being a powerful psyker who controled a thousand worlds ) then he displayed a kind of psychic ability far above and beyond of anything we have seen from the carriongod so far.

That display of power doesn't quite match up with "Devastates the realm of Chaos with his mind" or "Is holding Chaos back from flooding the Materium".

Or even merely directing the Astronomicon's power.

It's arguably not on par with closing up a huge Warp Rift in the Webway that was pouring Daemons of all shapes and sizes into the Materium with his presence either.

The burning Princess is able to burn holes trough warship armour, which make here the most powerful pyrokine so far described.

Tzeentchian Sorcerer Visitain, according to the art in Tome of Fate, outright blows a starship in flight up, so no.

Oh, and Magnus the Red, while fighting Leman Russ, took it upon himself to break apart the surface of Prospero, and destroyed what remained of Tizca with an Earthquake.

Plus he sort of can psychically harm Leman Russ, a Primarch, who take hits from Macro(sp?) Cannons (Starship weapon, if you recall) and endure it, as shown by Vulkan doing so.

**Warsmith Tharak**

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Warsmith Tharak wrote:

Mortarion gets challenge to kill the last vampire on his planet that they both know he can't, and Mortarion gets emo for the loss of his thunder. Another enemy.

That wasn't really the Emperors fault though. Mortarion demanded that he try and then failed. He resented the fact that the Emperor had to save him because he wasn't strong enough.

"...Mortarion felt his moment of triumph slipping from him. Twisting the haft of his ever-present scythe, he decllared that he and his Death Guard needed no help to finish their quest for justice. It is said that the benefactor quietly challenged the stormy young Primarch's assertion, pointing out the Death Guard's failure to reach the last high citadel, and then he threw down his gauntlet."
This is after Mortarion had tried, and failed. Mortarion countinually improwed the breathing apparatus, and it was only a matter of time before he could kill the last one vampire. The Emperor wants him to fail.

He insults Russ and beats him with a power fist, a more selfserious Primarch (Dorn, Lion, Robute) would likely have hatet him for it.

A more self-serious Primarch wouldn't have challenged the Emperor to eating and drinking competitions. Not to mention Russ challenged the Emperor to the fight.

After the emperor "Driven by disappointment, the wanderer called Leman Russ a drunkard and a glutton. Able to achive nothing more than filling his face and bellowing hollow boasts" How do anybody think a world-leader on a savage planet would react?

while Horus had killed Sangious and gotten his throte ripped out.

Where'd you read that Horus' throat was ripped out? I've never heard that before. All I've read was that Sanguinius managed to create a chink in Horus' armour, and the effect that had was never definitively stated.

The second book of the astronomican, page 26:"...Sanguinius sprang away from the powerful claw, spinning behind the Traitor. He leapt feet first at Horus, feeling his foe's fangs break under his boot heals. He landed lightly, rolling swiftly to his feet as Horus attacked again. His beck was to the wall, nowhere to go but forwards. The two brothers met blade to blade and Sanguinius knew he could defeat Horus. The sword snapped and Horus smashed the claw throught his armour and deep into his belly. Excruciating agony ripped upwards into his ribcage as Horus tore his heart out. Sanguinius spat blood into his brother's face and hissed: I die, but you will die with me, trator! as he lashed out with his fist and ripped out out his foe's throat in a welter of blood. He felt Horus grip slacken and slumped to the ground, his lifeblood pumping from his broken body."

Would John Grammaticous feel like a candel next to the sun if he stood next to Magnus the Red or Eldrad? It only says that the Emperor are powerful, but not anything else.
Eldrad does not seam to impressed (with what I have read) about the Emperor, and he do know a thing or two about psykik powers... He is a loafty Eldar, but he respects the tru power of Slaanesh.