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 d-usa wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, And yes I know It's hypocritical, but I just see myself killing and animal myself for food.

For me that is the only requirement for me to hunt. I could never hunt just to have a head to mount on the wall. If I kill eat, I eat it. No killing deer and hog for sport, if it dies it will be used.

I'm eating the next 'Yote I kill. Just to try it, if it's good I'll probably continue. I try to eat/use everything I kill (I take yote pelts now for example) but honestly the only excuse for "sport" hunting is the need for population control. Yotes and hogs for example and especially in the latter of the two/

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:


No offense but you are the first person Ive ever heard of saying bears are good meat. People eat it without a doubt. But it spoils within hours and I really think its more about taking an animal that can take you. Depending on where you live in the US of course. West coast is very different from East coast when it comes to bears.

The quality of bear meat greatly depends on where it's bagged, sadly. If it's taken near "humanity", like a garbage dump or something, then the meat is extremely tough, and doesn't taste so good. But if you get one that lived way out of the way, living on berries and fish, the food acts as a sort of living marinade, since you can actually taste hints of berries and whatnot in the good bears.... Ohh, and the "river" bears' meat is ridiculously tender.

I have thought about trying bow hunting (more sporting for the deer) but I don't own a bow either.

And in any event I'm not in it for the sport (as I've said) but for the acquision of my own meat (I know where it's been and who processed it etc) IF I go hunting I want the closest thing to a guantee that you can get that I will get my deer because as I've said I FETHING love me some venison steak/burger/sausage and after going through all the trouble of getting up early when all other reasonable people are asleep, truginng my ass and gear into the wilderness, freezeing my tush, maybe getting lost and having to survive on my wits alone (won't be long), maybe getting killed by someone else who mistakes me for a deer wearing blaze orange (as a disguise), I had better get that deer.

As for pro/anti gun... not gonna touch that subject.

 Ahtman wrote:
Never been hunting but it is more of a function of environment (not really a hunting family) and time then any problem with hunting itself. I have no problems with hunting, and most hunters I know tend to be more ecologically minded then the people I have met that protest it. I would add the caveat that I don't like trophy hunting. If you are going to hunt, you should at least respect the creature enough to make some delicious stew out of it.

I think most people that trophy hunt also take the meat, or at least donate it. It doesn't get left to rot in the wild.


Anybody remember that article about Donald Trump's sons going hunting in Africa and all the outrage that caused?

They were trophy hunting, but all the meat was given to local villiages. it was a real big help I'm sure.

KM I tried. Its gross. Horrible really. And the pelts aren't even soft that much really lol.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I don't feel the need to hunt simply because I don't need the meat for my table, which I see as the only reason to do so. If I want to do something 'for sport', it'll involve a ball, or being part of a team.

If the time ever comes that I need to drop a deer or some rabbits to feed my family, then things will be very different, and I won't hesitate. I won't see any honor in it though, because I don't see any glory to be had in proving myself smarter than a friggin' deer. For me, it would be a task, just like cutting firewood to burn.

And if it wasn't for laws(or in a time where the laws didn't matter), if i was simply in need of the meat, I would sure as hell bait that deer in, and then pop it from a tree blind with a single .22 to the forehead.

Dont take this the wrong way but I can tell from your post you've never hunted let alone deer.

Its not just about putting meat on your plate. Its about bringing the natural order of things back to where they used to be. Its about realizing that when you eat meat an animal died. If its beef chicken veal or pork they died in a much more horrible way then a deer in the forest.

Do you feel honor bringing home ground beef from the supermarket?

Its this type of sentiment that scares me. We'll eat meat till were fat when its shipped in from TX, but to kill your own? Oh thats barbaric.

And Im not trying to single you out Aegis. Im really trying to see another American on this board give me a legitimate reason if they're not vegetarian (which I respect fully) why they have something against hunting. You eat meat? You should see where it comes from.




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Thank you Ahtman I exalted you. Very well put why you dont hunt.

It's also good to hunt deer so they don't end up starving in the winter. I was lucky living where I have in my life since going hunting didn't involve much more than grabbing a rifle and walking out the front door.

@ dutchkillsrambo: How was the leather on the Yote? I imagine its tolerable quality.

I hunt Dakka all the time- I hunt it for people breaking the rules, and give them suspensions or warnings.

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If you meant that sentence with a comma, "Do you hunt, Dakka?", then no. Not aside from some fishing.

I would like to try it some time. I entirely agree that more people should be acquainted with the reality of killing their food, and that we're too disconnected from it nowadays. For most of human history eating meat meant seeing the animal alive, and doing the cleaning and butchering yourself; or at least by another member of your family where you could see it.

I try to stay aware and give thanks to the spirits of the animals whose flesh I consume, but it's way too easy to forget and to take it for granted.

I love to go hunting, particularly pheasant and deer hunting.

This is me a couple of years ago with the first deer I shot. It dropped almost immediately after one shot. Still rather proud of that.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:


No offense but you are the first person Ive ever heard of saying bears are good meat. People eat it without a doubt. But it spoils within hours and I really think its more about taking an animal that can take you. Depending on where you live in the US of course. West coast is very different from East coast when it comes to bears.

The quality of bear meat greatly depends on where it's bagged, sadly. If it's taken near "humanity", like a garbage dump or something, then the meat is extremely tough, and doesn't taste so good. But if you get one that lived way out of the way, living on berries and fish, the food acts as a sort of living marinade, since you can actually taste hints of berries and whatnot in the good bears.... Ohh, and the "river" bears' meat is ridiculously tender.

Yeah I've only dealt with bear meat from NY and PA, which falls into your garbage eating category pretty much always. Thats cool you've been able to sample whats a dying experience thats awesome. The aggressive bears in the East all got wiped out years ago.

Bit OT but you ever had a run in with an angry bear? Holy feth! is that scary. I feel like you know maybe though.

Did you use that Deer for anything, or did you just shoot it?

 Medium of Death wrote:
Did you use that Deer for anything, or did you just shoot it?

It's not uncommon for people to stock their meat supply for the year with deer, elk and other game they bag.

Yes. My grandpa butchered it and then we ate it.

 Grey Templar wrote:
@ dutchkillsrambo: How was the leather on the Yote? I imagine its tolerable quality.

My friend ties flies so he always takes all our squirrel and coyote pelts. I'll be honest I was never much of a fisherman so I always let him handle that. But if it was soft or even workable really I wouldn't know. Realistically coyotes in America are our wild dogs so.

I also haven't been coyote hunting in almost 4 years and my friend also quit for the same reasons i did so take from that what you will.

 Medium of Death wrote:
Did you use that Deer for anything, or did you just shoot it?

Well he sure didn't shoot it for the rack I kid coolyo dropping it quickly with one shot is plenty to be proud of. I had to beat my first to death with the butt of my rifle after running out of bullets.

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Well he sure didn't shoot it for the rack

Thats for sure

I had to beat my first to death with the butt of my rifle after running out of bullets.

Seriously?

Did you only have a couple with you

 Coolyo294 wrote:
I love to go hunting, particularly pheasant and deer hunting.

This is me a couple of years ago with the first deer I shot. It dropped almost immediately after one shot. Still rather proud of that.

Thats a mighty big deer you should be very proud. Outside looking in its only about rack size. While thats important, that deer shows that it's not always rack size. And to drop it immediately? That takes skill you should be proud.

Dropping an animal as quickly as possible is a point of pride that non-hunters dont realize. Even when your not going for the biggest buck any hunter that is respectable tries to kill their prey as quickly and humanely as possible.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:


Bit OT but you ever had a run in with an angry bear? Holy feth! is that scary. I feel like you know maybe though.

I've not personally. However, it's funny almost all survival guide's I've read say to play dead with a bear. The one dude I know who's had any sort of close encounter with bears will say the same. But, he always adds, if you are going to run, make sure you are running down hill, and to change your course after a short period of running (bears can cover some ground quickly, but they cannot run straight downhill, so once you get them tumbling, you change course and head back up hill or some other way, away from angry bear).

 Ahtman wrote:
Never been hunting but it is more of a function of environment (not really a hunting family) and time then any problem with hunting itself. I have no problems with hunting, and most hunters I know tend to be more ecologically minded then the people I have met that protest it. I would add the caveat that I don't like trophy hunting. If you are going to hunt, you should at least respect the creature enough to make some delicious stew out of it.

Pretty much how I feel.

 Mannahnin wrote:
I hunt Dakka all the time- I hunt it for people breaking the rules, and give them suspensions or warnings.

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If you meant that sentence with a comma, "Do you hunt, Dakka?", then no. Not aside from some fishing.

I would like to try it some time. I entirely agree that more people should be acquainted with the reality of killing their food, and that we're too disconnected from it nowadays. For most of human history eating meat meant seeing the animal alive, and doing the cleaning and butchering yourself; or at least by another member of your family where you could see it.

I try to stay aware and give thanks to the spirits of the animals whose flesh I consume, but it's way too easy to forget and to take it for granted.

LOL sorry for the typograph but I'm glad you can understand where I'm coming from Manny.

I feel like people like to divorce themselves from their meat source. And its not always a nice thing the first time you see it. I came at it somebody that was a big backpacker, I railed against commercial meat, I though I was better pretty much. Then I shot my first deer at age 16. And it changed me. And if didnt even really change me till 3 years ago. Im 25 now.

What changed was I suddenly realized that the meat I eat that I kill is no different from the meat I eat from the store that someone else killed. The difference is what I am willing to deal with. I still deal with factory farms and the disgusting practices we allow there. Im human. Meat is fething delicious. But I also realized very quickly that I dont support animals being chained up in cages and not allowed to move while theur muscles slowly atrophy to the point that its tender.

I'm not trying to tell anyone their views are wrong. I don't think meat is wrong. I do think when your connected to what you eat and you are willing to take that animals life, you DO change your views on these things.

Why I wish more people hunt is not that I wish more animals will die. Trophy hunting is very small and very dumb aspect of hunting in general. I wish more people will realize what it really means for an animal to die for us. They are living creatures. They serve us. But we should also respect them though. Call it God call it Nature I don't care, life is a finite thing that should always be respected.


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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:


Bit OT but you ever had a run in with an angry bear? Holy feth! is that scary. I feel like you know maybe though.

I've not personally. However, it's funny almost all survival guide's I've read say to play dead with a bear. The one dude I know who's had any sort of close encounter with bears will say the same. But, he always adds, if you are going to run, make sure you are running down hill, and to change your course after a short period of running (bears can cover some ground quickly, but they cannot run straight downhill, so once you get them tumbling, you change course and head back up hill or some other way, away from angry bear).

I hate to say it but the old "if your running from a bear make sure your not the slowest" thing is kinda true. They will go after the weakest. But its few and far between so what are we really worried about. Carry bear spray and a bear keg and I'[ve never had a problem. Every backpacker I've ever met that did the same never had a problem either. Hang your food up 100 yards downwind at least 15 feet high and for the most part youll never have a problem.

Hunting bears on the other hand I know very little about.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:

Well he sure didn't shoot it for the rack

Thats for sure

I had to beat my first to death with the butt of my rifle after running out of bullets.

Seriously?

Did you only have a couple with you

Exaggeration for what I had hoped would be greater comedic effect.

Suffice it to say that it was not such a clean kill.

O'good

I had to put down a sick chicken once. Little fether just would not die!

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
@ dutchkillsrambo: How was the leather on the Yote? I imagine its tolerable quality.

My friend ties flies so he always takes all our squirrel and coyote pelts. I'll be honest I was never much of a fisherman so I always let him handle that. But if it was soft or even workable really I wouldn't know. Realistically coyotes in America are our wild dogs so.

I also haven't been coyote hunting in almost 4 years and my friend also quit for the same reasons i did so take from that what you will.

I like 'yote pelts personally, they make for good decorative fur trims, and the leather's decent enough. I bet yote taste varies like bear taste, lots of garbage near humans for the yotes to eat too.

I hunt purely for sport. I like killing things. Wether or not I butcher/consume them is purely an afterthought and a true pita. I only butcher them because of the waste of meat otherwise. (Except turkey. It's the bomb.)

I think hunters that pull the "harvesting for the health of the herd" card are full of dookie. And those who don't "trophy hunt" are just like me.... Killers.

During bow season I used to use a 25 year old browning compound bow (80 lb pull) with G5 broad heads. This season I bought a Barnett wildcat extreme crossbow (180 lb draw). Nothing yet. During bow season I let slick heads walk. When black powder comes in I start dropping everything. If its brown its down. I still use a bow.... Tried powder and don't like the unreliability.

During rifle I use a Ruger 300 win/mag. Overkill? Maybe. But I've never had to track one over 50 yards.

All of the skins and guts go in a pile on the other side of the property, under a power pole with a light. We have a stand 20 yards away, and take turns coyote killing.

I use a Mossburg 12ga with turkey choke for thunder chickens. ( by far my favorite prey)

Except for the varmit hunting, I hunt from the ground, and have shot deer as close as 15 foot. My closest turkey , and largest,(10 3/4" beard) I took at 5 foot.

I can't wait till my bachelor party. We're going hog hunting. Maybe I should start saving for an elk hunt.

Haters gonna hate. Killers gonna kill. Love the beards and racks. Never screw with gills. Lol

Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

I haven't hunted since I was in college.

I have nothing against it, but I have other interests now. Frankly, I'd rather spend 12 hours fishing and catch nothing than hunt, though.

gregor_xenos Just saw your from NC, and I even have family there but they are so anti-gun I honestly dont know the laws.


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 kronk wrote:
I haven't hunted since I was in college.

I have nothing against it, but I have other interests now. Frankly, I'd rather spend 12 hours fishing and catch nothing than hunt, though.

And to me thats great. Fishing is just another aspect of hunting, just with very low biologically animals.

Tastier and better for you too!

Bass or Trout? Or other? I feel like most fishing boils down to one or the other. Still water or moving and all.

Fishing isn't better for you then hunting, all the beer you have to drink offsets the healthiness of the fish.

Not if your fly-fishing!

And overall game meat is a hell of lot healthier than meat you'd buy in a store. So theres also that.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Do you really think harvesting the herd is gak or are you just saying that?

I'd ask where your from if so.

If your from the Northeast I can honestly tell you a lot of us hunt because it really is population control. Not taking the biggest rack, but the white-tail deer population is out of control.

Lol. If I wanted to hunt for population control, it would be with my truck doing 60 at 3 in the morning. ( that's when most get killed)
Gun control? Ha! Our season got extended last year. By a liberal politician. Accepting donations from insurance lobbyist. (They pay ALOT in claims in our state.) Are deer overpopulated in my area? Statistics say yes. The farmer who's land I hunt says he sees a few a month before the rut, so he thinks I'm keeping my area thin enough.