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I had a Japanese roomate that grew up in Kobe who told me he was into his early teens before he realized that the meat he got from the store in packages came from animals.
I wonder how many people growing up in cities don't associate packaged meat with animals until that age.
And I'll ask you again as I don't think I was singling you out. But do you eat meat? Is all the meat you eat from local sources? I'll answer for you. It's not. If you would have read my posts I said multiple times that hunting an animal purely for its trophy is something I don't believe in.
But go ahead with with your faux victim mentality. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see that I did that there. I was only trying to get the average meat eater to think about where their meat comes from. I am a tree hugging derp. I've worked on the PCT, the AT, and the new trail were trying to get through Maine. But your right Im not vegetarian.
Also like 8 posts up I said how I want to take on a hog with nothing besides a knife. But go ahead. Tell me how I'm wrong.
But I'm gonna ask you what Volunteering for trails that you've done.
I would wonder why you don't think that solely quoting me and then mentioning me by name isn't singling me out.
If you agree with me, then why the heck did you post directly at me then? Make it a general post about you thoughts.
Trust me, I'm farmer. I know the exact process a cow takes through the slaughter house, and yes, I eat animals right off my own farm. Sheep made into sausage is damn good.
If i had a way to better process the meat myself, I would much rather drop each animal with a quick shot to the head rather than what they go through at a slaughter house. It's much more humane that way, and makes me responsible for a death that I am directly benefiting from.
I also dont get how me explicitly saying a post is towards someone else is somehow about you.
Maybe I did, but from what I read I was quoting hotsauceman1 and responding to him.. Sorry if you took that against you. Honestly. From what I see I was asking him if he had ever worked on trails. Sorry if I somehow got you involved. Was neither my intet or my idea, kinda looks like you made that. Sorry again if I did that wasnt my intention.
Though I am glad you answered none of my questions.l
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To underscore Dutch's remarks earlier, if you've ever been in the woods and find a deer in the process of dying or that has starved to death, you'll most likely finding yourself tjinking a cull is a good thing.
That is besides the fact that most of the hunting fees collected go towards improving the animal's habitat.
So please again. Tell me how taking a deer from the forest is somehow worse than taking hormone stuffed chicken or cow living in a pen?
I am not arguing that is it different, i am just saying that I cannot bring myself to kill another animal. Im not insulting hunters or anything, im just saying i can never do it. And yes, i know im hypocritical in this terms, I wish i can go vegetarian, but quite frankly, going vegetarian is hard, it requires alot of preparing of meals that i just cannot do.
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So please again. Tell me how taking a deer from the forest is somehow worse than taking hormone stuffed chicken or cow living in a pen?
I am not arguing that is it different, i am just saying that I cannot bring myself to kill another animal. Im not insulting hunters or anything, im just saying i can never do it.
And yes, i know im hypocritical in this terms, I wish i can go vegetarian, but quite frankly, going vegetarian is hard, it requires alot of preparing of meals that i just cannot do.
And all I'm saying is YOU CAN
Every time you eat meat that you dont know where it came from? Yeah your supporting the murder of animals. Literally hundreds if you eat processed meat.
So please again. Tell me how taking a deer from the forest is somehow worse than taking hormone stuffed chicken or cow living in a pen?
I am not arguing that is it different, i am just saying that I cannot bring myself to kill another animal. Im not insulting hunters or anything, im just saying i can never do it.
And yes, i know im hypocritical in this terms, I wish i can go vegetarian, but quite frankly, going vegetarian is hard, it requires alot of preparing of meals that i just cannot do.
I can understand your feelings, since buying a pound of hamburger at the store can be easier than what can be emotionally traumatizing for some people when it comes to the actual killing and cleaning of an animal.
I can tell you, though from experience working on pig and cattle farms that deer have the better end of things.
Im saying i cant, I really can not, Yes i know where meat come from, yes i have read how slaughter house kill animal( I have had like, 3 classes on it). You may be able to kill an animal in person, But i cannot, it is just something that, While I know I facilitate I cannot do.
AustonT wrote: I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.
Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine
In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.
You shoot turkeys with a .243? Not even mad just jealous. Granted its only 2 shots but I missed both Fall turkey hunting. And that was Full Choke!. Those fethers are resilient. Im not even convinced after a magnum load to the face. Their too tricky.
I've taken turkey with a 22, Im about 90% sure it was illegal too, but my Grand told me to and I did.
Most of the reason people have so much trouble with gobblers is aim. Even wit an extra full choke a big Tom can shrug off a body shot. It has to be the head.
@KM I have a 223 rig. It's nearly identical to my 308 rig cept for the drop calc...which is balls past 300m and an wind at all turns it into a curveball launcher. I'm still procrastinating sending them in to add the DBMs I have.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
I love animals. I could give you bs about how I've worked more for them.
I wont. They are animals. We are animals. All we can do i make the best of where we are. I love humanity. It can die or flourish I have no control. Love life or feth it.. You decide.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Im saying i cant, I really can not, Yes i know where meat come from, yes i have read how slaughter house kill animal( I have had like, 3 classes on it). You may be able to kill an animal in person, But i cannot, it is just something that, While I know I facilitate I cannot do.
This is the only time I'll side with Frazzled.
Taking a class means jack gak.
You eat an animal you might as well be killing it.
AustonT wrote: I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.
Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine
In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.
You shoot turkeys with a .243? Not even mad just jealous. Granted its only 2 shots but I missed both Fall turkey hunting. And that was Full Choke!. Those fethers are resilient. Im not even convinced after a magnum load to the face. Their too tricky.
I've taken turkey with a 22, Im about 90% sure it was illegal too, but my Grand told me to and I did.
Most of the reason people have so much trouble with gobblers is aim. Even wit an extra full choke a big Tom can shrug off a body shot. It has to be the head.
@KM I have a 223 rig. It's nearly identical to my 308 rig cept for the drop calc...which is balls past 300m and an wind at all turns it into a weq
curveball launcher. I'm still procrastinating sending them in to add the DBMs I have.
And your a damn amazing shot to hit a moving turkey in the head with a .22. Seriously my hat is off to you thats an amazing shot!
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What i meant is i took at least 3 classes(maybe two) where we discussed how slaughterhouses operate, I used that as an example to show that a do know what is going on and how animals are killed.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
In short you don't hunt, but you hire "assassins" to do it for you
Yep. Nice and civilised.
When my family's dog had terminal cancer, we engaged the services of a professional pet snuffer. We did not do it ourselves - running the risk of cocking it up and having an enraged zombie fox-terrier/dachshund on our kiesters. That little mad-rat-creature stayed dead.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
In short you don't hunt, but you hire "assassins" to do it for you
Yep. Nice and civilised.
When my family's dog had terminal cancer, we engaged the services of a professional pet snuffer. We did not do it ourselves - running the risk of cocking it up and having an enraged zombie fox-terrier/dachshund on our kiesters. That little mad-rat-creature stayed dead.
Your little rant included some disparaging comments about grilling. I can't possibly trust you now.
I'm afraid I have to place you on ignore.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
AustonT wrote: I love hunting, I've hunted creatures great and small. I prefer things with wings. They taste better and they pose more of a challenge than the hoof-ed things.
I haven't been since I started college. I'm thinking about popping yotes.
Do it, especially if you start calling, it can be quite challenging. I like .243 but hell, any round in that range will do you fine, if you're a dead eye you can probably do one of those souped up .22lrs and be fine
In other news, I like light anti-tank rifles for tank... err moose hunting. Those things are fecking dangerous.
You shoot turkeys with a .243? Not even mad just jealous. Granted its only 2 shots but I missed both Fall turkey hunting. And that was Full Choke!. Those fethers are resilient. Im not even convinced after a magnum load to the face. Their too tricky.
I was talking about Coyotes there, never been turkey hunting, Here in the west it's duck, geese and pheasant. If I was gonna hunt turkey with a centerfire rifled barrel ANYTHING it'd probably be a long barreled pistol, faster swing and follow up then a large rifle and I think that'd make the difference.
Any of the married hunters on here take their women folk with them?
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
I used to hunt with my dad years ago, but then he made some weird twist and hasnt shot a firearm since. But fast forward to now, yes, the Giant and I are actually planning on going small game hunting on his property next weekend. Not only another excuse to shoot my beloved .22 rifle, but I can get some tasty food made up after the fact
Then next year, the wife and I are getting into archery, so once I get good enough shooting bow, Ill more then likely try my hand at hunting with bow as well
People arguing about the rightness of hunting wrote:Rabble rabble rabble.
The issue can be quite easily condensed to: Some people hunt, some people don't. There are legitimate reasons for both, but because of the subjective nature of the matter, neither is "ethically" better than the other. Also, we all agree that trophy hunting is wrong, no bones about it.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
DutchKillsRambo wrote: So after so so many pro and anti gun threads I though I'd see how many here actually use their guns for a tasty reason.
I personally hunt. Both small and large game. I also think that anyone that eats meat should at least once in their life do the same. When you actually are the one to take an animals life and then clean and butcher it, it really does change you.
And not in a bad way I might add. I personally think too many people are divorced from what they eat. Meat means killing another living being. This isn't wrong. But its so much easier to pick up a package in the store than actually deal with the situation.
Anyways:
Deer: .308 single-shot rifle, and my baby, my grandfathers Ithaca '37 Deerslayer
Rabbit/Squirrel: 20 guage break action/ .410 guage sometimes for squirrel
Turkey: Full gauge choke Mossberg 500
Anybody else here use their guns for something besides target/ people?
(not trying to start a fight AT ALL but that is what concealed carry/ home defense is for)
I don't hunt. I used to stalk deer and birds with a camera, but that was decades ago.
I used to fish a lot though.
My Boy has been deer hunting on several occasions.
Having said all that, I will stalk the squirrel that vexes us. One day we will get you squirrel. You'll be a little too slow and then its BAM! The last image you will see is Rodney teeth in your face! muahahaha!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
hotsauceman1 wrote: I though for sure you would hunt frazzled.
I mean, isnt it that you arent legally a man in texas until you kill a deer?
I didn't say I haven't killed stuff. I said I don't hunt.
Thats not accurate either. I can hunt Swiss Cake Rolls or a nice cabernet like no one's business.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
hotsauceman1 wrote: I though for sure you would hunt frazzled.
I mean, isnt it that you arent legally a man in texas until you kill a deer?
I didn't say I haven't killed stuff. I said I don't hunt.
Thats not accurate either. I can hunt Swiss Cake Rolls or a nice cabernet like no one's business.
Lush
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
hotsauceman1 wrote: I though for sure you would hunt frazzled.
I mean, isnt it that you arent legally a man in texas until you kill a deer?
I didn't say I haven't killed stuff. I said I don't hunt.
Thats not accurate either. I can hunt Swiss Cake Rolls or a nice cabernet like no one's business.
Lush
Hey if downing a bottle of dark rum is wrong, then I don't want to be right!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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