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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/31 23:40:12
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Manchu wrote:Chaos is not the Great Enemy of the Tau. The Imperium is. But should the Imperium fall, it does not necessarily follow that Chaos must become the bane of the Tau. Indeed, they would only likely be troubled by the Ruinous Powers to the extent they kept humans around. Understanding this, the Tau would exterminate us.
If the IoM collapsed without bringing Chaos down with it then they wouldn't exterminate mankind they would use all of its technologies and lives against the legions Chaos. They already adopt humans into their society now, fight beside them, and they certainly don't believe that human extinction would result in fixing all their problems.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/10/31 23:43:18
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Solahma
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Human extinction would relieve them of one significant problem: likely daemonic incursion. The cost/benefit analysis, from their POV, basically demands genocide.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 00:01:51
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Manchu wrote:Human extinction would relieve them of one significant problem: likely daemonic incursion. The cost/benefit analysis, from their POV, basically demands genocide.
Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 00:11:55
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Shlazaor wrote:
Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now.
But Tau never face great threat to their existence. The largest invasions they ever face was Damocles ( and that was minor Imperial crusade force ) and Gorgon ( that was also minor Hive Fleet taht got destroyed by combined Tau and Guard army groups ).
If Tau was ever attacked like the Imperium at Cadia, Armageddon, Rynns Worlds, Macragge, Tarsis Ultra... they would be screwed. Tau only exists because Imperium suffered all big threats that were going toward them, take Imperium from equation and Tau will get destroyed in 100 or 200 years.
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The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 00:13:21
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Shlazaor wrote: Manchu wrote:Human extinction would relieve them of one significant problem: likely daemonic incursion. The cost/benefit analysis, from their POV, basically demands genocide. Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now. Until they realize without the Emperor to keep the Powers back, Humans (whether psychic or not) are living gateways into the Warp. With quadrillions of Humans across the galaxy, its not all that difficult for the Tau to see its for the 'Greater Good' of the galaxy to kill all the Humans. Not that they'll have the chance. Once the Emperor dies, its the end: " If the Emperor fails then the Daemons of Chaos will flood into the galaxy. Every living Human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind and the stuff of Warp space will submerge the galaxy. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos." - Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook 5th Edition p. 101
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 00:15:48
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Tadashi wrote: Shlazaor wrote: Manchu wrote:Human extinction would relieve them of one significant problem: likely daemonic incursion. The cost/benefit analysis, from their POV, basically demands genocide.
Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now.
Until they realize without the Emperor to keep the Powers back, Humans (whether psychic or not) are living gateways into the Warp. With quadrillions of Humans across the galaxy, its not all that difficult for the Tau to see its for the 'Greater Good' of the galaxy to kill all the Humans. Not that they'll have the chance. Once the Emperor dies, its the end: " If the Emperor fails then the Daemons of Chaos will flood into the galaxy. Every living Human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind and the stuff of Warp space will submerge the galaxy. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos." - Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook 5th Edition p. 101
So since game over is boring I am going with mech suit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 00:26:10
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Shlazaor wrote: Tadashi wrote: Shlazaor wrote: Manchu wrote:Human extinction would relieve them of one significant problem: likely daemonic incursion. The cost/benefit analysis, from their POV, basically demands genocide. Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now. Until they realize without the Emperor to keep the Powers back, Humans (whether psychic or not) are living gateways into the Warp. With quadrillions of Humans across the galaxy, its not all that difficult for the Tau to see its for the 'Greater Good' of the galaxy to kill all the Humans. Not that they'll have the chance. Once the Emperor dies, its the end: " If the Emperor fails then the Daemons of Chaos will flood into the galaxy. Every living Human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind and the stuff of Warp space will submerge the galaxy. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos." - Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook 5th Edition p. 101 So since game over is boring I am going with mech suit. Feel free...if you can find/pilot one in the swirling madness of the Warp. Brother Captain Alexander wrote: Shlazaor wrote: Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now. But Tau never face great threat to their existence. The largest invasions they ever face was Damocles ( and that was minor Imperial crusade force ) and Gorgon ( that was also minor Hive Fleet taht got destroyed by combined Tau and Guard army groups ). If Tau was ever attacked like the Imperium at Cadia, Armageddon, Rynns Worlds, Macragge, Tarsis Ultra... they would be screwed. Tau only exists because Imperium suffered all big threats that were going toward them, take Imperium from equation and Tau will get destroyed in 100 or 200 years. Hey, isn't the War of Dakka approaching Armageddon-level? Looks like the fish are in for a beating.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 00:27:49
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Solahma
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Shlazaor wrote:Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now.
Already answered. Current human auxillaries are not of sufficient number to imply the requisite risk threshold. More importantly, that risk threshold would certainly decrease following the Emperor's death.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 00:36:15
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Manchu wrote: Shlazaor wrote:Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now.
Already answered. Current human auxillaries are not of sufficient number to imply the requisite risk threshold. More importantly, that risk threshold would certainly decrease following the Emperor's death.
Inaccurate. If Chaos wins than they are fethed beyond all belief anyways. They will take the remaining human recruits theoff the inevitable.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 00:40:01
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Shlazaor wrote: Manchu wrote: Shlazaor wrote:Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now.
Already answered. Current human auxillaries are not of sufficient number to imply the requisite risk threshold. More importantly, that risk threshold would certainly decrease following the Emperor's death.
Inaccurate. If Chaos wins than they are fethed beyond all belief anyways. They will take the remaining human recruits theoff the inevitable.
Hmmm...and? Will they survive amidst infinite Chaos? The Eldar at least can hide amidst the labyrinths of the Webway, and the Necrons alone possess the technology to generate null fields around their worlds - you can try to negotiate with them, but I have no doubt the price would be more than the Tau can afford/be willing to pay. Tyranids and Orks...well, they'll have no problem with Chaos.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 01:13:58
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Tadashi wrote: Shlazaor wrote: Manchu wrote: Shlazaor wrote:Empirically denied. Tau already fight besides human beings in their armies right now.
Already answered. Current human auxillaries are not of sufficient number to imply the requisite risk threshold. More importantly, that risk threshold would certainly decrease following the Emperor's death.
Inaccurate. If Chaos wins than they are fethed beyond all belief anyways. They will take the remaining human recruits theoff the inevitable.
Hmmm...and? Will they survive amidst infinite Chaos? The Eldar at least can hide amidst the labyrinths of the Webway, and the Necrons alone possess the technology to generate null fields around their worlds - you can try to negotiate with them, but I have no doubt the price would be more than the Tau can afford/be willing to pay. Tyranids and Orks...well, they'll have no problem with Chaos.
The inevitable. As in doom.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 01:16:44
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Solahma
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A gue'la army after the death of the Emperor will be about as useful as a bandolier of grenades with all the pins pulled.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 03:58:51
Subject: Re:[Poll] Choose your Fate
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Been Around the Block
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The "Tau decide to kill all humans" idea is probably the worst option the Tau could take.
First, it will start a civil war that will likely destroy the Tau. They let human auxiliaries keep their weapons. They'll be angering a significant portion of their population that is armed. Humanity numbers in the trillions, so it's not unlikely for the humans to actually outnumber the Tau in their own Empire once the Tau begin accepting refugees. Then the humans will have the aid of any of the psychic races in the Tau Empire, including the Nicassar, who are more psychic. So not only are the Tau going to be declaring war on their human population, they'll be declaring war on at least another one of their client races. And this is the bare minimum; it's unlikely for the more pragmatic client races to keep fighting on the Tau's side when they see the Tau backstabbing everyone with genocidal wars, meaning the Tau will probably be fighting a war with none of their Kroot or Demiurg against a massive army of angry humans with Nicassar support.
See why that's kinda a bad idea?
Second, the Tau can't afford the hassle. Any potential threat of civil war or mass depopulation is a horrible idea when Hive Fleet Leviathan is breathing down your necks. It's tactical suicide.
Third, it won't matter for repelling Chaos. Why? Because Random Band of Chaos Dudes #234 doesn't care if you have any aliens with connection to the warp or not, they're still going to fly to your world, summon some daemons, and let you enjoy getting your head chopped off by a Bloodletter. You have two options here; either you have all the numbers you can to help you fight Random Band of Chaos Dudes #234, or you are fighting the forces of Chaos alone, without any help from the guys who have 10,000 years of experience against them and probably with a massive number of casualties from a civil war.
Manchu wrote:Chaos is not the Great Enemy of the Tau. The Imperium is.
Nope. The Tau see humans as vultures see a corpse. They fight the Imperium, but converting a world of Imperials is far better than converting a world of Orks or Chaos supporters.
Their real "Great Enemy" would probably be the Tyranids. They can't be converted to the Greater Good, render potential Tau planets completely uninhabitable, and have been a constant looming threat for the fishies.
Manchu wrote:There are some pretty chilling portrayals of human life under Tau rule in the Death Watch RPG books.
I haven't read Deathwatch and am just going by codex fluff and the Black Library. Do you mine pulling a few of those specific sections out?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 04:27:23
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Manchu wrote:Chaos is not the Great Enemy of the Tau. The Imperium is.
Nope. The Tau see humans as vultures see a corpse. They fight the Imperium, but converting a world of Imperials is far better than converting a world of Orks or Chaos supporters.
You people are forgetting one thing - the people the Tau have been encountering are backwater yokels from the Imperial frontier. The Imperium's rule there is closer to a federation rather than an empire. Once you reach the Imperial heartland, you'll find that people there hate xenos from the bottom of their heart, with loyalty to the Emperor as a foundation/cornerstone of their very soul.
Their real "Great Enemy" would probably be the Tyranids. They can't be converted to the Greater Good, render potential Tau planets completely uninhabitable, and have been a constant looming threat for the fishies.
I suppose Orks and Necrons are just non-entities for the Tau then?
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 04:37:37
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Been Around the Block
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Tadashi wrote:You people are forgetting one thing - the people the Tau have been encountering are backwater yokels from the Imperial frontier. The Imperium's rule there is closer to a federation rather than an empire. Once you reach the Imperial heartland, you'll find that people there hate xenos from the bottom of their heart, with loyalty to the Emperor as a foundation/cornerstone of their very soul.
Pavonis is a major trading world. The Tau are definitely not just trying to assimilate "backwater yokels".
And I have no doubt that there will be people with undying loyalty to the Emperor as the foundation of their soul. There will probably be multiple attempts to set up miniature Imperiums by planetary governors or other folks with great power, each claiming to be the Emperor's heir or herald or some nonsense like that, while others will be formed by people just trying to rally together humanity. It will definitely be an interesting landscape. However, I have no doubt that many people will join the Tau, because they'll be taking advantage of the situation to advertise themselves as an option, just like they always do.
Tadashi wrote:I suppose Orks and Necrons are just non-entities for the Tau then?
Did I ever say that?
The Orks might be another choice for the Tau's "great enemy", although there isn't much mention of them interacting with the Tau. The Tau have no fething idea what the Necrons even are (See: The Necron celebration party).
Either way, the Imperium is not the Tau's "great enemy". Neither is Chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 04:42:01
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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1068SCP wrote: However, I have no doubt that many people will join the Tau, because they'll be taking advantage of the situation to advertise themselves as an option, just like they always do. You're too late - by the time the Tau Empire reaches that far, the entire place will be overrun by the Forces of Chaos/Orks/Necrons or consumed by Tyranids. The Astartes and the Mechanicum will already have established heavily-fortified pocket empires, and the Dark Eldar slave realms. Choose your poison...assuming the worst doesn't happen and Chaos just happens to swallow the galaxy whole...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 04:48:00
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Been Around the Block
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Tadashi wrote:You're too late - by the time the Tau Empire reaches that far, the entire place will be overrun by the Forces of Chaos/Orks/Necrons or consumed by Tyranids. The Astartes and the Mechanicum will already have established heavily-fortified pocket empires, and the Dark Eldar slave realms.
Um, don't know about you, but I don't think anyone is going to be choosing to join the Dark Eldar. Well, maybe the Tau, but they're kinda idiots.
There will doubtless be plenty of humans still left. The galaxy is crawling with them, and as I said, it's probably that many people will take advantage of the chaos to create their own mini-empires; the Mechanicum will be among them. The Astartes... Not sure how they'll factor in. There are so few of them that I'm almost tempted to say that they won't, but that's just being a jackass about numbers.
Tadashi wrote: Choose your poison...assuming the worst doesn't happen and Chaos just happens to swallow the galaxy whole...
If that happens, your entire poll is pointless, because the only real options are to die now or to live by yourself as a crazy hermit (carrying a convenient method of suicide for when things go sour). I'd probably choose "die now" option.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 04:50:48
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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1068SCP wrote: Tadashi wrote:You're too late - by the time the Tau Empire reaches that far, the entire place will be overrun by the Forces of Chaos/Orks/Necrons or consumed by Tyranids. The Astartes and the Mechanicum will already have established heavily-fortified pocket empires, and the Dark Eldar slave realms.
Um, don't know about you, but I don't think anyone is going to be choosing to join the Dark Eldar.
Whoever said they'd be joining the Dark Eldar? Slave realms...where Humans are raised like cattle for the Dark Eldar's own purposes.
There will doubtless be plenty of humans still left. The galaxy is crawling with them, and as I said, it's probably that many people will take advantage of the chaos to create their own mini-empires.
Outside of the Astartes/Mechanicum, unless they're united on a very large-scale, they cannot hope to stand on their own.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 04:53:59
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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^Thus I die Fighting
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Tristavlan Planetary Guard Regiments, Join today, and serve the Emperor. Fight along your local Space Marine Chapter, The White Flames, and aide in the protection of your world, along with many others. No Weapons Experience Required.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 04:56:12
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Been Around the Block
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Tadashi wrote:Whoever said they'd be joining the Dark Eldar? Slave realms...where Humans are raised like cattle for the Dark Eldar's own purposes.
Then why did you bring them up with Astartes and Mechanicum? Just add them to the long list of things to be scared of.
Tadashi wrote:Outside of the Astartes/Mechanicum, unless they're united on a very large-scale, they cannot hope to stand on their own.
I can't believe an Emperor botherer would have so little faith in what humanity can do.
The Imperial Navy, Imperial Guard, PDFs, Rogue Traders with private armies, and Sororitas still exist. Planets will probably begin fortifying as they wait for the inevitable. Plus, in a universe as chaotic as 40k, there's always the option that your planet just plain won't get noticed.
Either way, we're no longer arguing what you would do, we're arguing what the citizens in a giant dead Imperium who lack any knowledge of their situation would do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 05:01:33
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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1068SCP wrote:
Tadashi wrote:Outside of the Astartes/Mechanicum, unless they're united on a very large-scale, they cannot hope to stand on their own.
I can't believe an Emperor botherer would have so little faith in what humanity can do.
(cheek twitching) I. AM. NOT. AN. EMPEROR. BOTHERER. Read my sig...its quite obvious that I refuse to accept the Emperor's divinity.
The Imperial Navy, Imperial Guard, PDFs, Rogue Traders with private armies, and Sororitas still exist. Planets will probably begin fortifying as they wait for the inevitable. Plus, in a universe as chaotic as 40k, there's always the option that your planet just plain won't get noticed.
Without Terra to keep them in line, the first two will fall apart. The middle two are no good without support from the greater Imperium. The last are the most vulnerable...they might believe in the Emperor's return for a short while, but when he fails to and they lose hope, chances are, they'll be the first to fall to Chaos. And you delude yourself if you think the Forces of Chaos/the Tyranids/the Dark Eldar/the Necrons will blink and ignore worlds ripe for the taking. The Orks might, but if they form Waaagh! entire sectors will be laid waste.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 05:13:15
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Been Around the Block
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Tadashi wrote:(cheek twitching) I. AM. NOT. AN. EMPEROR. BOTHERER. Read my sig...its quite obvious that I refuse to accept the Emperor's divinity.
Frankly, it doesn't matter. The most zealous adherant of the Emperor and the most zealous believer in the Imperial Doctrine become one and the same.
Tadashi wrote:Without Terra to keep them in line, the first two will fall apart. The middle two are no good without support from the greater Imperium.
I highly doubt that the Imperial Navy and Guard will just go bananas instead of trying to fortify and do what they do best. Rogue traders are essentially self-sufficient and the PDF are still decent soldiers; they're just not hardasses like the Guard.
Tadashi wrote:The last are the most vulnerable...they might believe in the Emperor's return for a short while, but when he fails to and they lose hope, chances are, they'll be the first to fall to Chaos.
Really? You think the Sororitas, the people who dedicate their entire lives to an Emperor they never see, are just going to break because some guy heard he's dead?
When their miracles still work in battle, they will believe the Emperor is still with them.
Tadashi wrote:And you delude yourself if you think the Forces of Chaos/the Tyranids/the Dark Eldar/the Necrons will blink and ignore worlds ripe for the taking. The Orks might, but if they form Waaagh! entire sectors will be laid waste.
The warp is a weird place. Worlds are often revealed after hundreds of years without contact with the outside world. It's not impossible to believe that some will just be missed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 05:16:36
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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1068SCP wrote: Tadashi wrote:The last are the most vulnerable...they might believe in the Emperor's return for a short while, but when he fails to and they lose hope, chances are, they'll be the first to fall to Chaos.
Really? You think the Sororitas, the people who dedicate their entire lives to an Emperor they never see, are just going to break because some guy heard he's dead? When their miracles still work in battle, they will believe the Emperor is still with them. And if he really is dead? Those miracles will cease to function. They might wait for his resurrection, but after a few decades, let alone a couple of centuries, they will lose hope. Tadashi wrote:And you delude yourself if you think the Forces of Chaos/the Tyranids/the Dark Eldar/the Necrons will blink and ignore worlds ripe for the taking. The Orks might, but if they form Waaagh! entire sectors will be laid waste.
The warp is a weird place. Worlds are often revealed after hundreds of years without contact with the outside world. It's not impossible to believe that some will just be missed. I'm impressed to say the least...the Tau now have access to the Webway or to Necron null-field technology (read: sarcasm).
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 05:32:17
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Been Around the Block
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Tadashi wrote:And if he really is dead? Those miracles will cease to function. They might wait for his resurrection, but after a few decades, let alone a couple of centuries, they will lose hope.
You don't understand the way a zealously religious mind can work with confirmation bias.
The miracles are kinda a gray spot in the fluff; it's not clear exactly what causes them. Either way, I see the Sisters holding fast. If his death causes the miracles to stop working, their faith is validated (Because it was obviously the Emperor causing the miracles if his death stops them) and they will work hard to ensure that they live up to his memory, or perhaps he is just testing him. If they keep working, he's obviously alive.
Tadashi wrote:I'm impressed to say the least...the Tau now have access to the Webway or to Necron null-field technology (read: sarcasm).
I never said they did. You'll notice I said "worlds are often revealed after hundreds of years without contact with the outside world."
Either way, it's pointless arguing whether the Tau will reach that far, because the topic of debate is what you will do, and joining the Tau is pretty much the only option to take if you want a chance of a comfortable life. Dying for the glory of a dead Imperium is no better than screaming at the void.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 05:36:04
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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1068SCP wrote: Tadashi wrote:I'm impressed to say the least...the Tau now have access to the Webway or to Necron null-field technology (read: sarcasm).
I never said they did. You'll notice I said "worlds are often revealed after hundreds of years without contact with the outside world."p/quote] Said worlds are inaccessible via Warp travel. Either way, it's pointless arguing whether the Tau will reach that far, because the topic of debate is what you will do, and joining the Tau is pretty much the only option to take if you want a chance of a comfortable life. Dying for the glory of a dead Imperium is no better than screaming at the void.
If the Tau can't reach that far, then they wouldn't reach the Tau either. The Astronomican's gone...the only way for long-range warp jumps to function would be to use sorcery to 'guide' the ship through the Warp.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 05:39:21
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Been Around the Block
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Tadashi wrote:If the Tau can't reach that far, then they wouldn't reach the Tau either. The Astronomican's gone...the only way for long-range warp jumps to function would be to use sorcery to 'guide' the ship through the Warp.
Okay, so joining the Tau is no longer an option due to interstellar distance? Death is the only option in your poll that works then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 06:53:28
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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1068SCP wrote: Tadashi wrote:If the Tau can't reach that far, then they wouldn't reach the Tau either. The Astronomican's gone...the only way for long-range warp jumps to function would be to use sorcery to 'guide' the ship through the Warp.
Okay, so joining the Tau is no longer an option due to interstellar distance? Death is the only option in your poll that works then.
If you're in the frontier, feel free. Just don't complain when the sterilize/re-educate *cough*brainwash*cough* you. For those a long, LONG, way from the frontier, pick something else.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 13:48:33
Subject: Re:[Poll] Choose your Fate
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Solahma
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1068SCP wrote: Manchu wrote:Chaos is not the Great Enemy of the Tau. The Imperium is.
Nope. The Tau see humans as vultures see a corpse. They fight the Imperium, but converting a world of Imperials is far better than converting a world of Orks or Chaos supporters.
That's something you made up, I think. 1068SCP wrote: Manchu wrote:There are some pretty chilling portrayals of human life under Tau rule in the Death Watch RPG books.
I haven't read Deathwatch and am just going by codex fluff and the Black Library. Do you mine pulling a few of those specific sections out?
Here you go: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/458234.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 14:07:19
Subject: Re:[Poll] Choose your Fate
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Manchu wrote:1068SCP wrote: Manchu wrote:Chaos is not the Great Enemy of the Tau. The Imperium is.
Nope. The Tau see humans as vultures see a corpse. They fight the Imperium, but converting a world of Imperials is far better than converting a world of Orks or Chaos supporters.
That's something you made up, I think. 1068SCP wrote: Manchu wrote:There are some pretty chilling portrayals of human life under Tau rule in the Death Watch RPG books.
I haven't read Deathwatch and am just going by codex fluff and the Black Library. Do you mine pulling a few of those specific sections out?
Here you go: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/458234.page
He hasn't. I definitely support that there is solid evidence that writers have interpreted the Tau as brainwashing/treating humans like gak out there. They were originally designed to be the brightest of the races left but were retconned to become darker due to reception among some in the fanbase. That being said the Tau are starting to using more and more human Human auxiliary and I personally have always prescribed to the interpretation that the Tau ideals of the Greater Good are genuine and good but the method of biological manipulation by the Ethereal's is probably legitimate and one of those "the ends justify the means" philosophies. If nothing else the fall of Terra will prompt the Tau to convert and ally with whatever factions are interested in joining them in hopes of increasing their chances of survival (which are in my opinion neglible though by the time Terra falls the Empire could be vast and well on their way toward ascension as the next Order superpower).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/01 14:10:52
Subject: [Poll] Choose your Fate
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Solahma
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What source says the Tau prefer to colonize Human- rather than Ork- or Chaos-controlled worlds? I mean, what do you think O'Shovah was doing?
The rest of your post is actually in support of my point. Go ahead and read the OP linked in my post.
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