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hope this is the right place, but I was wondering what everyone thought with the new CSM what would be better.


Defiler - 3x fists, havoc launcher - 200

or

forgefiend - 2x hades autocannons, 1x ectoplasma cannon/3x ectoplasma cannon - 200

now the way I see it, defiler has less guns (and the battle cannon makes havoc BS1 right?) but is tougher with 4HP and better in melee with 3 fists, but forgefiend is much better in shooting (albeit closer range, especially with plasma) and is a little weaker. thoughts? (also IMHO deffy is much cooler looking but forgefiend I can magnetize it or have cool bitz left over for conversions)

thoughts?

I like the BOG standard Forgefiend. 8x S8 shots isn't bad for 175 points. Pinning is just a nice bonus.

Forgefiend any day, that amount of shots for the amount of pints is a bargain.

 BewareOfTom wrote:

and the battle cannon makes havoc BS1 right?

A vehicle that fires an Ordnance weapon can only make Snap Shots with its other weapons that turn, so you can't fire Havoc launcher at all after using battle canon.

On the main topic, I have yet to decide which one works better for me... needs more testing

damn it is blast isnt it, didnt notice that lol

but yeah, guess I'm going for forgefiend, and I'm gunna get the 2 hades and 1 ecto incase of weapon destroyed when he's walking up he'll have another weapon

Sadly I think the Forgefiend is now more worth it than the Defiler if you want a good fire support.
Those 8 S8 shots + that S8 blast is just too good and it's a lot more reliable than a large blast S8 shot.

Also the Maulerfiend is the way to go if you want a good tank hunter.

The Defiler now is an expensive walker who's good at killing MEQs and destroy vehicules with his dread power fists. It's a waste to put it in a corner and shoot with the battlecannon since its a walker fully upgraded for CC.

I also believe that frome a walker point of view, 2 Helbrutes are worth more than a single Defiler...

So yeah the Forgefiend is better than the Defiler for the points.

3 power fists on the defiler? Sounds like a bit of a points dump to evade destroyed weapons...

Seems like people here are plugging the hades + ectoplasma head forgefiend. Any thoughts on the triple-ectoplasma fiend? I've personally gotten pretty good performance out of it, but that may be mostly due to the fact that one of my regular opponents likes GK terminator spam.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
3 power fists on the defiler? Sounds like a bit of a points dump to evade destroyed weapons...

exchanging weapons for fists is free (well, he comes with 2 and drops the TL autocannon) so not really a points sink

codemonkey wrote:
Seems like people here are plugging the hades + ectoplasma head forgefiend. Any thoughts on the triple-ectoplasma fiend? I've personally gotten pretty good performance out of it, but that may be mostly due to the fact that one of my regular opponents likes GK terminator spam.

Death incarnated for hords, for MEQ and GK I will bring the 2 hades + 1 echo just to be sure I pump out eniugh high strengt shots.

 BewareOfTom wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
3 power fists on the defiler? Sounds like a bit of a points dump to evade destroyed weapons...

exchanging weapons for fists is free (well, he comes with 2 and drops the TL autocannon) so not really a points sink

Ah, codex is not beside me ATM... and with everyone's paranoia about flyers and overwatch, I would think dropping the reaper would be a bad thing?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 BewareOfTom wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
3 power fists on the defiler? Sounds like a bit of a points dump to evade destroyed weapons...

exchanging weapons for fists is free (well, he comes with 2 and drops the TL autocannon) so not really a points sink

Ah, codex is not beside me ATM... and with everyone's paranoia about flyers and overwatch, I would think dropping the reaper would be a bad thing?

Doesn't truly matter, the Forgefiend is the better choice

yeah, but with the ordnance rules its all meh I guess lol

guess forgefiends it is

I think a hadesfiend is a better all comers choice because it can be a viable AA threat and flyers will only become more common.

What's in the rest of my army?

That's pretty damn important since these two units have completely different uses.

I like the Defiler better. It's more versatile on the tabletop.