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People shouldn't be afraid to play competitive strategies, I would never blame my opponent for Jaws's my characters one by one.. I brought Crons which are powerful but at the weakness of low I, the 'Cron player should deal with it.. at the end of the day he can avoid it have the char in a transport until the rune priest has had his head kicked in etc.

Equally, as the deathstar player I would take responsibility for knowing my own and their tactics. Therefore I'd have a unit screening them the turn the night scythes were coming in to stop the deathstar being hit etc. I'm not saying these tactics are fool proof but neither were completely unavoidable and wining is a refusal in defeat to accept responsibility for the game. There is nothing wrong with being miffed that the game is going badly, or you just fluffed a ton of rolls. Equally, it is never acceptable to blame your opponent for using good strategies.

As others have said tournaments are not like Magic The gathering where the same decks always win, there will always be strong armies present and different variations but very few people play identical armies but they do often use similar strategies.

If your playing in a competitive setting be nice, be pleasant but in competitive games, never bring on board conduct off board.. expect your opponent to be ruthless! and then you can be pleasantly surprised when you face someone whose not quite as tweaked in a competitive setting.

Either way, I wouldn't expect to see scythes full of harbinger/deathmarks or indeed a ton of long fangs at a casual game, so I assume that the OP and opponent are competitive players and should act like it.

Ah yes, the ol' "Deny the Switch" poster.

That's a great thread by the way, people. You should read it.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Chumbalaya wrote:



I've never been happier to not live in the UK.

Yeah we're all quite pleased about it too.

The fact is wargaming isn't a professional sport, you can't earn a living at it, why get so obsessed with competing?

What I don't get is... why is the whole of the UK arseholes just because I am one?


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 HiveFleetCollossus wrote:
Ah yes, the ol' "Deny the Switch" poster.

That's a great thread by the way, people. You should read it.

Im intrigued, what's that exactly?

 mattyrm wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Chumbalaya wrote:



I've never been happier to not live in the UK.

Yeah we're all quite pleased about it too.

The fact is wargaming isn't a professional sport, you can't earn a living at it, why get so obsessed with competing?

What I don't get is... why is the whole of the UK arseholes just because I am one?


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 HiveFleetCollossus wrote:
Ah yes, the ol' "Deny the Switch" poster.

That's a great thread by the way, people. You should read it.

Im intrigued, what's that exactly?

Suggested that all Cryptek powers be negated on a 4+, the thread instantly turned into people making fun of the idea. The OP obviously has a massive hatred for Necrons.

Just saying that it wasn't origonally proposed to be all Cryptek powers, (that would make far too much sense...)

It was posted to be all necron abilities, so I assume that means each time Gaess triggers you roll to see if it's negated, obviously if a night scythe blows up you roll to see if they make it back into reserve or not.., monaliths are so overpowered that their eternity gate obviously needs to be stopped on a 4+,, the only one that confused me to the genius of the origonal poster would be canoptek spyders, do you stop their scarab hive on a roll per spider base or only 1 roll for the unit...

Yours,
The real Cute Hydra

 mattyrm wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Chumbalaya wrote:



I've never been happier to not live in the UK.

Yeah we're all quite pleased about it too.

The fact is wargaming isn't a professional sport, you can't earn a living at it, why get so obsessed with competing?

What I don't get is... why is the whole of the UK arseholes just because I am one?


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 HiveFleetCollossus wrote:
Ah yes, the ol' "Deny the Switch" poster.

That's a great thread by the way, people. You should read it.

Im intrigued, what's that exactly?

Here ya go http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/484235.page

That was a pretty good read...

 cute-hydra wrote:
Just saying that it wasn't origonally proposed to be all Cryptek powers, (that would make far too much sense...)

It was posted to be all necron abilities, so I assume that means each time Gaess triggers you roll to see if it's negated, obviously if a night scythe blows up you roll to see if they make it back into reserve or not.., monaliths are so overpowered that their eternity gate obviously needs to be stopped on a 4+,, the only one that confused me to the genius of the origonal poster would be canoptek spyders, do you stop their scarab hive on a roll per spider base or only 1 roll for the unit...

Yours.
The real Cute Hydra

That's ridiculous, you'd ruin an army due to your WAAC attitude.

JOTWW and long fang spam.

Breaking news OP, you are TFG.

 mattyrm wrote:
That was a pretty good read...

Understatement of the year, next time you are in Norway beer is on me!

Hey i got a solution! check it... everyone plays grots. Yeah thats right, replace every codex entry with grots. Add Hqs to be bigger grots with only a leadership change. Oh you wanna play necrons? space marines? grots?! well guess what mate! everyone just puts the multi mask on the grots face. Thats right, grots wearing necron masks, grots wearing space marine helmets and so on. This way, their is no units, no powers, no nifty tricks, no OP method, just fething grots. GROTS EVERYWHERE. ALL THE GROTS ALL THE TIME. ARMIES CONSIST OF 200 MOTHER TRUCKING GROTS! paint them, build them, move them with a measuring tape, see which grot god favours whos' dice. There you go OP, there you go, thats the solution, remove all the edges, leave grots. Take your pile of grots and play with grots. ALL THE GROTS. just more grots. YOU HAD A GOOD LIST, but did you have grots?! NOPE. You need more grots! its the only to be fair if everyone plays with grots, then you can rage about what everyone who isn't and is TFG, the dice! But OP forget about warhammer 40k its GROT 40k with more grots..

now look, you tell me, whats more interesting: warhammer 40k or grot 40k? honestly, i would play warhammer 40k even if it meant losing every single game. When i got back into warhammer end of fourth early fifth, i lost every game i played with my orks for 2 years. Being tabled regularly. It took me 2 years to win a game, and keep winning, but i got good enough, even with GROTS i can deal with some things everyone says you lose at. Now in all seriousness, stop being TFG, if you lose something shake your head, and try to level the playing field. Dont pick up, just die and shake hands. Or, if you cant take it. Play grot 40k.

...I am not sure if I should take this thread seriously...

 FattyJay wrote:
...I am not sure if I should take this thread seriously...

You should. This is serious business.

 mattyrm wrote:

 mercer wrote:

I disagree with your second to last paragraph though. If that's the case, then you wouldn't have lost and got hammered in the bar instead

It was a pound a pint! I would have got hammered at the bar if the terrain on all the tables was made of tits and naked hooters girls were rolling my dice for me!

haha. I remember you wanted to fight some scarborough dude or something, though you didn't use the word dudes, lol. You kept asking me and Croggy to help you in your battle. Plus I kept laughing at you as you semi balanced on the spot

And srill no response from the OP...

But... op hates grots

And necrons...

And spam... whoops...

 azreal13 wrote:
The fact is wargaming isn't a professional sport, you can't earn a living at it, why get so obsessed with competing?

I like how it's always an "obsession". You can never just have fun competing at stuff, no, there's just something straight-up wrong with you if you have fun playing games in a way someone else doesn't agree with.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
The fact is wargaming isn't a professional sport, you can't earn a living at it, why get so obsessed with competing?

I like how it's always an "obsession". You can never just have fun competing at stuff, no, there's just something straight-up wrong with you if you have fun playing games in a way someone else doesn't agree with.

I didn't say every competitive player was a douche now did I?

The context of the thread is about TFG, and so that's the sort of behaviour I had in mind when I was writing that. People who act extremely badly towards their opponent or who stretch the letter of the rules to the limit out of some desperate need to win, even though winning, even in a tourney, isn't that important in the wider context.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
The fact is wargaming isn't a professional sport, you can't earn a living at it, why get so obsessed with competing?

I like how it's always an "obsession". You can never just have fun competing at stuff, no, there's just something straight-up wrong with you if you have fun playing games in a way someone else doesn't agree with.

I didn't say every competitive player was a douche now did I?

The context of the thread is about TFG, and so that's the sort of behaviour I had in mind when I was writing that. People who act extremely badly towards their opponent or who stretch the letter of the rules to the limit out of some desperate need to win, even though winning, even in a tourney, isn't that important in the wider context.

Sidstyler didn't say you said that.

What you said is "why get obsessed over competing?" Obsessed is the word you used. It's like, liking the idea of competition is bad. For example, I do love competing because it makes me work harder (and achieve better results) for something I love. I get fun from it. I don't let it destroy the fun of others and I'm always polite and good to play with or compete against, but I am competitive. Does that make me "obsessed" with competing?

 heartserenade wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
The fact is wargaming isn't a professional sport, you can't earn a living at it, why get so obsessed with competing?

I like how it's always an "obsession". You can never just have fun competing at stuff, no, there's just something straight-up wrong with you if you have fun playing games in a way someone else doesn't agree with.

I didn't say every competitive player was a douche now did I?

The context of the thread is about TFG, and so that's the sort of behaviour I had in mind when I was writing that. People who act extremely badly towards their opponent or who stretch the letter of the rules to the limit out of some desperate need to win, even though winning, even in a tourney, isn't that important in the wider context.

Sidstyler didn't say you said that.

What you said is "why get obsessed over competing?" Obsessed is the word you used. It's like, liking the idea of competition is bad. For example, I do love competing because it makes me work harder (and achieve better results) for something I love. I get fun from it. I don't let it destroy the fun of others and I'm always polite and good to play with or compete against, but I am competitive. Does that make me "obsessed" with competing?

I don't know. Do you act like a douche when things don't go your way? Do you spend an unhealthy amount of time looking for dubious loopholes in the rules in order to gain an unfair advantage? If so, then yes, you have an unhealthy obsession with being competitive at a recreational pastime and need to examine your priorities.

If, on the other hand you simply have an attitude of playing to win, and when playing you can have a laugh and joke with your opponent and act with courtesy and act in a fair minded way, as you say you do, then we have no problem.

Once again, this is a thread about TFG, to me one of the defining qualities of TFG is an extreme WAAC mentality and a disproportionate desire to do anything to achieve that, up to and including cheating. It was not reference to all competitive players, although it seems I may have hit a nerve.

You hit a nerve because it was a blanket statement. It's like saying to Skyrim players that "Skyrim is not a professional sport, you can't earn a living at it, why get so obsessed with playing it?" Or "Painting/fluff does not impact gameplay, you can't win games because of painting/fluff, why get so obsessed over that?"

You see why your statement is offensive? It attacks a certain kind of fun that players get from the game and call it an obsession. And no, just because this is a thread about TFG doesn't excuse a blanket statement like that. Would I be excused if I called people who likes to paint their miniatures "obsessed with painting" if I did it in a painting nazi rant thread? I sure as hell hope not.

This is a thread about TFGs. I consider an aspect of TFG behaviour to being disproportionately competitive. I stated this opinion.

It was a blanket statement about TFG, not about players that play to win.

I have also stated that.

If people are going to choose to be offended after I have explained myself then there's nothing I can do.

There was this one game I was watching the other day at the game shop.

It was a three-way battle between Tyranids, a Heresy army and Black Templars (makes perfect sense!).

Anyway, the Tyranid and Heresy players were friends. About halfway through turn 1 the BT player shouts that they're ganging up on him, and it's no fun. They respond by saying they're not. He says that they're only shooting at him, not at each other etc. Then an issue comes up about the BT player using an Assault Marine as a Terminator, much arguing ensues. Then they start shouting at each other that they're both cheaters. The tyranid and HH player gets something to eat during the BT player's turn. He breaks all the rules regarding movement and when the Tyranid and HH players return they have to make 20-ish saves. They call each other cheaters again. Then something about LOS comes up, and they all weigh in. Then they roll off because the BT guy couldn't agree. He loses. He murmurs "cheaters" under his breath very loudly.

I couldn't watch after that - I was about to burst into laughter. This is a game, it's supposed to be fun for both of you. If I was one of the players, I would have packed up my army long ago.

 Sigvatr wrote:
JOTWW and long fang spam.

Breaking news OP, you are TFG.

Ok, I completely disagree with you.

It's not the list that makes you TFG, it's the player. You have just made a blanket statement here that everyone that takes Jaws or more than one pack of Long Fangs is TFG. That is a huge assumption. Should we now extend this and say that everyone who plays with more than one Necron flyer is TFG? How about Imperial Guard, everyone that has a Vendetta or Manticore is TFG. There's so much Grey Knight rage here even with their toning down in 6th, why not just say that every single Grey Knight player is TFG? Taking Long Fangs and Rune Priests is not being TFG, that's being competitive.

That's not to say that there aren't people who run this that are also TFG, because there are always going to be. If you're taking Jaws and Long Fang spam, and then you go to your local club, find someone that hasn't been playing for very long, and exploit their lack of experience and knowledge of the rules to win, yeah, thats the TFG way, but simply being a competitive gamer does not make you TFG.

Here is the only time a blanket statement is always true; Blankets keep you warm.

That is all.

 Debbin wrote:
Here is the only time a blanket statement is always true; Blankets keep you warm.

That is all.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooling-Blanket-Comforter-Feel-Cooler®/dp/B0043BG0R4
Those and wet blankets prove your blanket statement wrong. :-)

rigeld2 wrote:

 Debbin wrote:
Here is the only time a blanket statement is always true; Blankets keep you warm.

That is all.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooling-Blanket-Comforter-Feel-Cooler®/dp/B0043BG0R4
Those and wet blankets prove your blanket statement wrong. :-)

I disagree with that. They are ment to keep you warm, just not to warm. As for wet blankets, those are a different type of blankets for therefor not covered under regluar blankets.

 Monasou wrote:


I'm trying not to be an assclown for whining. How do I stop being TFG. I want to have fun.

The easiest way to not be an assclown for whining is to not whine...

Sometimes things like this happen. It's part of the game...

I had a 750 point game the other day with a friend who took a unit of 3 storm shield thunderwolves + a tooled up lord on a wolf. I was playing mech-vets, a pretty standard TAC list at 750. I threw everything I had at the TWC unit for 4 turns & managed to kill two before the other two got into my lines & took my entire army apart...

But I had great fun. I think the chance of rolling badly improves the drama of the game... isn't it more exciting to have the chance of rolling poorly for things and having potentially the whole game come down on a knife edge like that, as opposed to having some rock/paper/scissors system where the person with the best list wins if they get first turn?

As for the fact that he'd taken a death star unit at such low points; we're practicing for an escalation league that'll start soon at our club & after the game we were chuckling about how, because there are so many rules restrictions at 500 points in the league rules, once we bump up to 750 the gloves come off & we all start shovelling cheese into our lists... It didn't make him TFG at all, it was something we could laugh about after the game.

I think if you're getting frustrated enough by losing units in your games that you have to come & complain about it on a forum, you need to take your game less seriously.

Ah, this guy again.

Give 'em a hand, Jonny! He's onta something