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Just make some would make for a awesome army especially if you are good with flesh colores me i suck at them so only skins i can get good are ork but there orks so QQ/
tho i did read a inquisition book about a sector of the emperium whos ancestors was of a philipeno descent so the language and culture reflected it well before the imperium strolled in a beat them into line like all other human infested places think emperors mercy.


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 ShatteredBlade wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Furthermore: WH40k is game. A game mostly played by...

...white people. It's easier to identify with people of the same skin color. Thus you sell more stuff.

If I'm not white and play 40k, does that make me a MEGA minority?

only if you play with tau SHUN THOSE THAT DONT CHOP THERE NOSES OFF AND PAINT THEM SELVES BLUE !

Dan Abnett's novels show several IG regiments with dark skinned humans, notably the Belladin part of the Tanith 1st if I remember correctly. It's just that there isn't much emphasis on skin tone in writing so you don't notice it much. The Tallarn are arabic-like in skin tone. For example, all Salamanders are dark skinned and White Scars are asian-like.

As for the minis, the painters tend to paint people like themselves. I painted my Gorkamorka Diggas with dark brown skin to reflect the harsh suns, but most people playing WH40K are of European descent and paint their toys the way they look themselves.

You can have a non White army.

Didn't we just have this discussion?

People, don't let speculation get in the way of actual fluff evidence;

and for actual evidence; look on the Brettonian archer box and you'll find a black guy; out of all place

 CrushingNecessity wrote:
I believe it is also considerably harder to paint realistic looking darker skin tones, which might explain why there are less models with darker skin. As for pictures and drawings in codices, I can't say.

Not really...maybe you're just not very good with a brush? (Just trolling) In all honesty it probably comes to down to personal thought put into armies with a slight influence from the painter's race and even then, those levels of influence vary.

As others have pointed out, this topic (or some variation on it) comes up all the time. So I'll just make two comments:

I do have diversity in my armies. I have painted several dark skinned Space Wolves

No offense intended, but given the Space Wolves' Viking syle fluff that seems a bit odd. It's about as visually out of place as the decision to cast Idris Elba as a Nordic god in the "Thor" movie. But to each his own I suppose.....

would agree with everything here, except the Vietnam bit...
there were loads of Black and Latino troops fighting in Vietnam...
it was actually a big bone of contention over there, as it was felt that the white kids with money could all hide out in college to avoid the draft, while the poorer communities all got scooped up and dumped in the jungle...

Actually, while it may have been a bone of contention at the time and that little tidbit has persisted in the popular perception about the war in the years since, it's simply not true. A study of the demographic break down of Vietnam War casaulties has shown that in reality the percentage of blacks killed during the conflict was actually quite low...in fact quite close to their overall percentage representation in the overall population at the time: something around 10-13%. (I don't recall the exact number and I'm not at home to check the book I found that in) For what it's worth the same study destroyed that "average age was 19" myth and the idea that the majority of the war dead were young draftees as well. To be fair, the percentage of blacks in the military was higher than the percentage of KIAs as (just as today) they tended to be concentrated in the support service arms rather than the combat arms. But the point remains that the popular perception that there were huge numbers of blacks fighitng and being killed in Vietnam is largely a myth.

TR

 Lynata wrote:

Hetelic wrote:The reason there is no specific reference to skin colour or race in Warhammer is because it does not matter. In the grim dark of the future.. people are worried about chaos and heretics. Race doesn't even enter into it. Where you see a white man and a black woman, GW sees a model. It's not racial ignorance; infact it's what the world should aim to be.. so far beyond the concept of race no one even notices the difference.

Yeah, but the difference between ... what, when your books are filled with only one sort of people? At some point, someone is going to notice that (to my knowledge) there is not a single black miniature to be found throughout the entirety of all of the minis painted by GW.

Well take a look at the old Catachan Codex, not only does it have a dark skinned man on the front cover it also has dark skinned minis inside, look at the WD articles that were made to go along with the last IG codex, it presented staff vet squads wthat included dark skinned minis.

GW also release minitues for IG that are middle eastern and mongolian themed.

My main issue i have with your comment is you say that GW/players are ignorant because they don't include 'black' minitures, why is representing black people the most important issue, in the UK black people make up 2% of the population. You also have to ask what you mean by black as Afro-Americans are different to the many black racial groups on continental Africa.

A more interesting question is why there is no representation of racisl groups from the Indian subcontinent, as they have a larger presence in the UK compared to black racial groups. Or why there is no representation of East Asains, seeing as Han Chinese alone nearly represent 20% of the worlds population.

The issue of racism being Black vs. White is just (if not more) narrow minded as not having racial diversity in your toy soldiers.

i just figured after 38000+ years from now all humans would just become one color by evolution. And not getting sun because of being in power armor for all the generations i just figured they'd be pale. shouldn't be a problem though. who cares?

 Archon Tobias wrote:
I was showing my friend my codex, and he asked why there where no dark-skinned humans. Hes NZ Moari, and wants to have an imperial guard army that looks like the Moari battalion of the second world war.

While there are plenty of instances of different skin tones in the books, (which everyone and their dog pointed out ever addressing the actual miniatures ) there certainly is a noticeable shortage in trying to make the last group of humans painted, different from the others.

I have found a couple articles which I found were useful in painting ALL kinds of skintones, and I'll link them up here for you and your friend to use.

http://www.jenova.dk/Skintones.htm Uses GW paints to show off how to do different skins.
(One skin tone he did he only used two different paints! two! and it certainly wasn't the supposedly easy Caucasian skin color that it was used for. )

Second is from the coolmini or not forums.http://www.coolminiornot.com/articles/1310
Doesn't use GW paint pots but it does use color swatches so you can probably help match the colors easily for them.


Hope you and your friend find these useful, good luck.

Fantesy is easy to explain.

The Warhammer World is very similer to our world.


The Empire is where northern europe would be.

Brettonia is where France would be.


Well, that takes care of the human factions that are represented.

There are no more major human civilizations in africa. Thats where the Tomb Kings and Lizardmen are.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Ah, but the black and Latino people in Vietnam didn't make it into a lot of the Vietnam War movies, did they? (The only one who's coming to mind is the captain of the boat in Apocalypse Now) And that's what the Catachans are based off of, popular impressions of Vietnam rather than what actually happened. Full Metal Jacket, Rambo, things like that.

I have no idea what Vietnam movies you are watching that don't have minorities.

Full Metal Jacket was mostly light skinned, but not all
Platoon had a very mixed group
Good Morning Vietnam - main character plus others
Hamburger Hill was mixed
Even Forrest Gump's Vietnam section had Bubba...

Why isn't the mustache I wear represented in 40k?!?! Mustachism!!!

BluntmanDC wrote:Well take a look at the old Catachan Codex, not only does it have a dark skinned man on the front cover it also has dark skinned minis inside, look at the WD articles that were made to go along with the last IG codex, it presented staff vet squads wthat included dark skinned minis.

Hmm, any pictures? I have seen quite a lot of GW minis, but that would be a first.

The Catachan Codex PDF on the GW website sadly does not have any photos of minis, but you are right about the cover. I did not notice that when I first looked at it, so thanks for pointing it out. Together with the Seraphim pic, that makes two pieces of GW-commissioned artwork I am now aware of.

BluntmanDC wrote:GW also release minitues for IG that are middle eastern and mongolian themed.

While that is true, Tallarns and Attilans are still painted as white as the average Cadians as per the pictures on the website and in the books.

BluntmanDC wrote:My main issue i have with your comment is you say that GW/players are ignorant because they don't include 'black' minitures, why is representing black people the most important issue, in the UK black people make up 2% of the population. You also have to ask what you mean by black as Afro-Americans are different to the many black racial groups on continental Africa.

In the UK black people may only make up 2% of the population (or rather 3% as of 2009), but for the entire world it's about 20% from what I have read. And to my understanding, the setting in Wh40k aims to portray an entire galaxy full of worlds with diverse climata and, we should assume, appropriately adverse populations. Isn't it ironic that mutations such as Ratlings and Ogryns are apparently much more common than simply other skin tones?

Like I said, to me it would be totally fine if it can somehow be explained by racism within the setting or local conditions simply rendering such populations "invisible" as far as the Imperial military is involved ... but for so many different worlds? So we know that's not the reason.

As for what I mean by "black", my understanding here is that black = dark skinned. Granted, that's very simplified. Truth be told, if Asians were not a distinct ethnicity as per common understanding, I would actually lump them in with whites, too.

BluntmanDC wrote:A more interesting question is why there is no representation of racisl groups from the Indian subcontinent, as they have a larger presence in the UK compared to black racial groups. Or why there is no representation of East Asains, seeing as Han Chinese alone nearly represent 20% of the worlds population. The issue of racism being Black vs. White is just (if not more) narrow minded as not having racial diversity in your toy soldiers.

I do not differentiate between these two issues, but this thread's topic was about dark-skinned humans, and to be fair this skin colour would stand out more than an Asian shade on the minis (unless you go for the extreme end of the range). But actually, I think you could even throw the lack of female IG minis in there, too. It all comes down to the same reason - an obvious focus on white males. Whether this focus came to be out of simple defaulting or some conservative mindset can only be speculated. As I said, for the time being I'm still believing the former. *shrug*

I was ignorant about this topic as well. All the minis I painted so far were white because I was defaulting, too - but threads like these reminded me I should brush up diversity.

 60mm wrote:
Why isn't the mustache I wear represented in 40k?!?! Mustachism!!!

Ailaros properly represents the Moustachioed community in his guard.

But alas, I've seen not one Tyranid with a Moustache. A crime against mankind, I say.

 Lynata wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:GW also release minitues for IG that are middle eastern and mongolian themed.

While that is true, Tallarns and Attilans are still painted as white as the average Cadians as per the pictures on the website and in the books.

Atillans are actually painted as Mongolians...who have a bit of a wide range of skin tones due to the fact that they've intermingled with the Russians and Asian genepools over the generations.

Tallarn were never meant to be "Middle Eastern", but more akin to the British "LRDG" of WWII.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Lynata wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:GW also release minitues for IG that are middle eastern and mongolian themed.

While that is true, Tallarns and Attilans are still painted as white as the average Cadians as per the pictures on the website and in the books.

Atillans are actually painted as Mongolians...who have a bit of a wide range of skin tones due to the fact that they've intermingled with the Russians and Asian genepools over the generations.

Tallarn were never meant to be "Middle Eastern", but more akin to the British "LRDG" of WWII.

Al Raheem is a very middle eastern name

I'm aware of Al-Raheem being a "very Middle Eastern name"...but that does not change the fact that it was supposed to be more like the LRDG of WWII/Lawrence of Arabia.

 Trench-Raider wrote:
It's about as visually out of place as the decision to cast Idris Elba as a Nordic god in the "Thor" movie. But to each his own I suppose.....

That would be the case if they were making a movie about Nordic Gods and not a Marvel race of superbeing. The cast of Thor was made up of multiple different racial types as Asgard in the Marvel Universe is an entire world. There are also many ancient religions were the Gods have different physical attributes to their people.

As to the Space Wolves issue, it doesn't actually matter as space marines can rapidly change their skin pigment levels in responce to planetside conditions.




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 Lynata wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:Well take a look at the old Catachan Codex, not only does it have a dark skinned man on the front cover it also has dark skinned minis inside, look at the WD articles that were made to go along with the last IG codex, it presented staff vet squads wthat included dark skinned minis.

Hmm, any pictures? I have seen quite a lot of GW minis, but that would be a first.

The Catachan Codex PDF on the GW website sadly does not have any photos of minis, but you are right about the cover. I did not notice that when I first looked at it, so thanks for pointing it out. Together with the Seraphim pic, that makes two pieces of GW-commissioned artwork I am now aware of.

BluntmanDC wrote:GW also release minitues for IG that are middle eastern and mongolian themed.

While that is true, Tallarns and Attilans are still painted as white as the average Cadians as per the pictures on the website and in the books.

The Attilians do actually look like Mongolians and i would say that the painted images of Tallarns are a similar skin tone to Middle Eastern people I know. There is also the entirety of the White Scars chapter that are Mongolian Based and are painted as such by GW.