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 Zweischneid wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:


Are we to make up our own fluff yet?

That is the point.

Within the framework provided, which doesn't to me knowledge say it is impossible, creativity is the point of being in the hobby.

So its ok when it doesn't fit inside the framework, just because its "creative" ?

Necrons are the opposite of chaos. Necrons = Order / chaos = disorder .

Chaos-crons are as viable as Tau-nids who follow the greater good now. Or orks who despise violence and meditate all day long with their Elven, sorry, Eldar Masters. Can't turn a concept on its head and still call it within the framework.

 1hadhq wrote:
Chaos-crons are as viable as Tau-nids who follow the greater good now. Or orks who despise violence and meditate all day long with their Elven, sorry, Eldar Masters. Can't turn a concept on its head and still call it within the framework.

Such things are bread and butter in pen and paper RPGs. Want to play an Orc paladin? Go for it. Lawful Good Lich - rare but why not? 40K was designed with such things in mind - the galaxy is a big place. Was just flicking through the Necron codex and there are *many* excuses for them to hook up with Chaos, from insanity caused by the long sleep to politics to destoyer lords who just want to watch the galaxy burn.

As for the ability for chaos to effect the Necrons - why not? Especially with the time to study. If anything, "living metal" probably gives raw chaos (as opposed to warpsmiths) a better avenue for corruption, especially given time to work. A necron legion trapped on a daemon world could arguably slowly be corrupted. Even better, a Necron tombworld turned into a daemon planet millenia ago could be corrupted slowly in their sleep. Plenty of viable options - even if not totally in tune with the fluff (yet). That's one of the great things about such large, open ended settings with intentional vagueness.

Chaos Necrons is, i think quite impossible. The warp is anathema to the necrons, and being dead they don't have any souls. They would probably have no warp presence at all. They spent ages trying to overcome the old ones as the necrontyr after all, before the C'tan granted them immortality.

Showing my age somewhat, the Old Epic Chaos army had access to 'Chaos androids' who look very much like Necrons. the fluff for them from WD 143 or so was that they were created by Chaos squats, and had daemons trapped in them. Practically speaking, it would be possible to imprison a daemon in a necron shell (if you could find one) but its doubtful if it could be achieved against a 'live' subject. A defunct tomb world is a possibility i guess, but its probably more likely that Chaos worshippers would use something a bit more imposing, like a tank, or dreadnaught. Necron Warriors (the most likely candidates) are after all, a little on the weak side

May be some rogue necron lord, out of sheer curiosity or necessity, actively sought out chaos to carry out his own plans. He retains control but the influence of his experiment with chaos remains.

I play necrons. And my take on it just asks two quick questions.

What are the chances that a necron tomb world was caught in the eye of terror when it opened up? Relatively high I would imagine. The Eye of terror is huge and has multiple star systems within it.

What are the chances that said tomb world would be unscathed by the reality bending, time ignoring, energy warping, powers of the eye? Slim to none.

Does no one remember the Men of Iron? The very reason they were so destructive is because true AI makes a perfect body chaos. It is the reason why the imperium laughs at the tau for following the very same path they did once. Now necrons aren't true AI. But people really don't think it is possible that the subconcious code imprinted into all necrons (which has been confirmed to be corruptable) has been altered by the world having been in the eye of terror for ten thousand years?

Do I think chaos necrons should be moving around yelling skulls for the skull throne!? of course not. But Just like a Lawful Good paladin can be corrupted into something more sinister so too can a sleeping tomb of necrons be altered by godlike powers into something not quite necrons anymore.

Sigvatr wrote:Necrons are the only faction that has absolutely no connection to the warp itself. Furthermore, they don't even have souls anymore.

So no, Necrons cannot become "chaos'd" by any means.

A Land Raider got that "Spirit of the Machine" crap that every Imperial vehicle seems to have thus it can be possessed.

Not to mention that any Necron that would be part of an ritual or sth. would immediately be teleported back to the base - and there is not a single workaround for this mechanism.

Not true. The Adeptus Mechanicus have a device, a little like a meltabomb, that has a 50% chance of preventing a Necron it's attached to phasing out (White Dwarf 217, March 1998).

Pwn'd You wrote:I just kinda thought it would be a fun different and creative concept/army

Sure, teleporting chaos robots of terror-inducing proportions are awesome. Just lead your whole army with Harbingers of Despair and you're golden on the battlefield/visual theming.

Kroothawk wrote:I doubt it is possible, but I am damned sure that it is a lame idea. Folks are getting really desperate to stick their spikes and greenstuff tentacles to everything just to feel naughty for a while. At least it keeps them from making Chaos Tau and boob themed sisters

Ugh, boob sisters. >< Dammit, Sisters are almost as incorruptible as Grey Knights! They have the same loyalist-to-corruption percentage, even! (Only true Fallen Sister: Miriael Sabathiel. Only true Fallen Grey Knight: Alaric.)

blood reaper wrote:They really wouldn't be Necron's by the end of the day, if a Warpsmith did acquire a Necron Warrior shell that had not phased out, he'd have to heavily modify it to remain in reality and disable the connection to the Necron thingymagig. Afterwards, he'd have to find a Sorcerer to bind a Daemon to the shell and see what will happen.

This would result in a long, expensive process which leads to.....

A slow, insane and ill devised plan which would be a waste of resources. The idea isn't possible, but it would be a Necron, and the time required would make it a poor choice.

So, basically, incredibly fluffy and very Chaos?

madtankbloke wrote:Chaos Necrons is, i think quite impossible. The warp is anathema to the necrons, and being dead they don't have any souls. They would probably have no warp presence at all. They spent ages trying to overcome the old ones as the necrontyr after all, before the C'tan granted them immortality.

Showing my age somewhat, the Old Epic Chaos army had access to 'Chaos androids' who look very much like Necrons. the fluff for them from WD 143 or so was that they were created by Chaos squats, and had daemons trapped in them. Practically speaking, it would be possible to imprison a daemon in a necron shell (if you could find one) but its doubtful if it could be achieved against a 'live' subject. A defunct tomb world is a possibility i guess, but its probably more likely that Chaos worshippers would use something a bit more imposing, like a tank, or dreadnaught. Necron Warriors (the most likely candidates) are after all, a little on the weak side

Other fluff has Chaos Androids as being the Iron Men, the Imperium's first robot servants who were corrupted and turned to Chaos. Probably both and neither are true.

Ultimately, it boils down to this: Necron Lords/Crypteks are self-aware and independent. They aren't bound by Control Protocols like other sapient Necrons (Destroyers, Flayed Ones [insanity requires intelligence], Lychguard), and that means they can make their own choices. Unlike the Incorruptible armies (GK, SoB), Necrons don't have Faith in anything, as a group. They believe in nothing but their own mastery of the universe. Therefore, they can be corrupted through words.

Triarch Praetorians, on the other hand, I see as being the Necron Grey Knights / Custodians - they do have Faith, in the Triarch Law and the Legacy of the Necron Empire. You'd be hard pressed to convince me of a Triarch Praetorian turning to the dark side.

 IcedAnimals wrote:
I play necrons. And my take on it just asks two quick questions.

What are the chances that a necron tomb world was caught in the eye of terror when it opened up? Relatively high I would imagine. The Eye of terror is huge and has multiple star systems within it.

What are the chances that said tomb world would be unscathed by the reality bending, time ignoring, energy warping, powers of the eye? Slim to none.

The Eye of Terror is the former Eldar Empire, therefore there shouldn't be any Necron Tomb world there.
Chaos Necrons are like Chaos Grey Knights, Female Space Marines, etc. Sounds original but deep down it's just another Drizzt-esque "I'm complete opposite of my people" idea ever written.

What about Szeras? He's looking for the secrets of life, could this be used to limk him to one of the gods?
It would likely be Nurgle, but tzeench might work as well.

smUrfsrUs wrote:
What about Szeras? He's looking for the secrets of life, could this be used to limk him to one of the gods?
It would likely be Nurgle, but tzeench might work as well.

Nope.
He has no mind/being connected to the warp in any way.

Necrons don't have souls or even have emotion thus they are completely inaccessible and useless to the Chaos Gods.

Nothing is impossible when it involved the Gods of Chaos.

 Yonan wrote:
Was just flicking through the Necron codex and there are *many* excuses for them to hook up with Chaos, from insanity caused by the long sleep to politics to destoyer lords who just want to watch the galaxy burn.

Right. Excuses it is. Excuses to have it "your" way.

Could call it the special snowflake syndrome. Undead in space isn't enough? Attach *chaos* to it and feel different.

RPG is a different beast. TT pictures armies, societies, more than individuals at war.
Thus an acceptable feature of RPG does not have to be such a good idea in TT.

 Nakor The BlueRider wrote:
Necrons don't have souls or even have emotion thus they are completely inaccessible and useless to the Chaos Gods.

Did you miss the whole thing where "Biotransferance" was putting the Necrontyrs' souls into Necron bodies?

Necrons have souls, and emotions. Trollzyn the Infinite is proof that Necrons have emotions, because nobody can be THAT much of a TFG without them.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Nakor The BlueRider wrote:
Necrons don't have souls or even have emotion thus they are completely inaccessible and useless to the Chaos Gods.

Did you miss the whole thing where "Biotransferance" was putting the Necrontyrs' souls into Necron bodies?

Necrons have souls, and emotions. Trollzyn the Infinite is proof that Necrons have emotions, because nobody can be THAT much of a TFG without them.

That never happened in the actual fluff. "Actual" as in "no gakky retcon".

And even in the made-up fluff, Necrons remain soulless...page 7. The Necrons THOUGHT the machines would transfer their souls, but in fact, their souls were devoured by the Deceiver.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Nakor The BlueRider wrote:
Necrons don't have souls or even have emotion thus they are completely inaccessible and useless to the Chaos Gods.

Did you miss the whole thing where "Biotransferance" was putting the Necrontyrs' souls into Necron bodies?

Necrons have souls, and emotions. Trollzyn the Infinite is proof that Necrons have emotions, because nobody can be THAT much of a TFG without them.

...

Yet there was an emptiness gnawing in mind, an inexpressible hollowness of spirit that defied rational explanation. In that moment, he knew with cold certainty that the price of physical immortality had been the loss of his soul. With great sorrow the Silent King beheld the fate he had brought upon his people : the Necrontyr were now but a memory and the soulless Necrons reborn in their place. pg 7 Necron Codex

Necrons Warrior, Lynchguard and immortals can barely think let alone feel emotions.

 Cyrax wrote:

 IcedAnimals wrote:
I play necrons. And my take on it just asks two quick questions.

What are the chances that a necron tomb world was caught in the eye of terror when it opened up? Relatively high I would imagine. The Eye of terror is huge and has multiple star systems within it.

What are the chances that said tomb world would be unscathed by the reality bending, time ignoring, energy warping, powers of the eye? Slim to none.

The Eye of Terror is the former Eldar Empire, therefore there shouldn't be any Necron Tomb world there.
Chaos Necrons are like Chaos Grey Knights, Female Space Marines, etc. Sounds original but deep down it's just another Drizzt-esque "I'm complete opposite of my people" idea ever written.

The Eldar Empire expanded the entire current imperium. It was not isolated to the just the eye. The middle of the eye is just where the heart of the eldar empire was. There are planets the eldar didn't settle in the eye. And besides the point. The eldar didn't hunt the necron tomb worlds. They simply went about boinking, killing and eating each other like idiots after the necrons went into slumber. There is still a very possible chance that a tomb world lays dormant in the eye. Now I would imagine the most likely outcome of a world caught in the eye would of been destruction. But just like the "virus" that effects destroyers and flayed ones turns them into something other necrons despise, there could very well be something similiar that happens to a specific world in the eye.

Like I said, I am not saying these necrons need to run around shouting blood for the blood god and collecting skulls. (Though flayed ones do a great service to khorne). But who is to say that a royal court hasn't been changed and no longer follow the silent kings last command and instead just focus on something else and that chaos is the reason for it?

Do I think chaos necrons are super original? no. Do I think they are possible and if done right could be a neat concept for an army. Sure do.

 IcedAnimals wrote:
The eldar didn't hunt the necron tomb worlds. They simply went about boinking, killing and eating each other like idiots after the necrons went into slumber.
from the great sleep "As time passed, many Tomb Worlds fell prey to malfunction or ill-fortune. Some were destroyed by marauding Eldar"

Like I said, I am not saying these necrons need to run around shouting blood for the blood god and collecting skulls. (Though flayed ones do a great service to khorne).
Like orks they don't register him anything.

But who is to say that a royal court hasn't been changed and no longer follow the silent kings last command and instead just focus on something else and that chaos is the reason for it?
Like a blind guy gazing at a painting, a soulless necron has nothing to gain.

Do I think chaos necrons are super original? no.
That wasn't specially directed at you. It's a natural response of a person who witnessed in each of his frps paladins wishing to fall, bad guys wishing to redeem himself and in one special occasion every ing jedi in a full jedi party asking him to grant them a dark secret, events, quests, etc. so they can turn into sith and betray others. So I've become an agent of plausibility.

Do I think they are possible and if done right could be a neat concept for an army. Sure do.
This is where we differ.

I believe that Chaos Space Marines might use the bodies of Necrons to upgrade their armor. I really like this concept, which is why I'm currently converting a Vargard Obyron model into a Nurgle Sorcerer.

Forget Chaos Necrons - 'nid Necrons are where it's at:

Call it Dark Admech, and Chaos Androids, use the Cron dex, and use the C'tan shard as a Greater Deamon of some kind.

I had this idea for some time to make an Admech army using the Cron or the tau codex, where Exo suits would have been converted Juggers with skull like heads, according weaponry and raptors jetpacks.

In Rogue trader, Necrons where Chaos Androids, someone gave a link in this thread earlier, then they became Necrons in 2nd Ed.

In RT Chaos Androids where amongst the first Deamon machines, they where possessed by a lesser Deamon of Khorne and had Khorne's Mark on their shoulder.

Rule of cool man. If you can concieve a reasonable (relatively speaking, considering the sometimes unreasonable current fluff) reason as to how and why they fell to Chaos and have some good looking models to represent them, then thats what counts.

Bottom line, OP, is this - this is a hobby for YOUR enjoyment. If you have fun theorycrafting and kitbashing your Chaos-crons, then you're having fun your way and there's not a thing wrong with that. Some people will disagree with your choices and say "That can't happen.", but the reality is - this ENTIRE game is nothing more than someones fantasy put to paper. If you want to put your own spin on YOUR army, then engage your imagination and make it a reality.

Considering Necrons were originally Chaos androids I don't think it's that far of a stretch to think Necrons could be tainted. The fact that they don't have souls would just make tainting the warriors that much easier.
It's a galaxy of events, I don't think there is much we could concieve that couldn't happen in the 40K universe aside from changes in the main story arch.
This game is meant to have people create their own fluff as long as their aren't dummys trying to ride the emperors golden throne after its be re-furbished by Tyranid-ork-psykers.
My golden rule with 40K is don't mess with the main fluff, other then that, have fun riding a hel-drake with your Dark-eldar archon. What-eva, more heresy to smash!

Ok i get that 'Chaos Necrons' Could/Could not happen.
But if they could, what would their motivations be?
Necrons (Bar the ones under the rule of the silent king) want to purge all life in the galaxy and get mortal bodies again
Where would chaos fit in that? (Ok maybe Tzeench/Nurgle could give them mortal bodies, but why? Unkillable zombie robots are more worthy to have than a fleshy race that dies easily)

And plus, why would they ever trust a god(s) again after what the C'tan did? The Necrons may have I2 in crunch terms, but they are not stupid!
And plus, Necrons are Basically Souls trapped inside a Necrodermis body, so how would a Chaos god be able to give them a mortal body without consuming the soul?
Plus the Necrons are a Non-Psychic Race, How would they be able to contact the Chaos gods? How would the Chaos Gods be able to contact them? There has to be a medium somewhere. (E.G a Sorceror who has been captured by the necrons who is being forced to be a 'Translator' of sorts) <---But why would theNecrons do that? they dont really know what the chaos gods can do, and why would they trust a tempting pact that a chaos god gave them?

So no, i dont think it would be possible unless a Daemon Possessed the Husk of a necrodermis body, if they can do that, that is...

If necrons entered the warp they could be changed by chaos.

Chaos has the power to change and reshape anything in their domain according to the fluff, inanimate objects get warped all the time there. Necrons would suffer the same fate. And just because the "intelligence" inside the necron may not join chaos, does not mean its body would not, and a daemon could surely possess a necron if it can possess a gun, a vehicle, non living objects, etc. which according to the chaos fluff happens a lot in the warp.

there is a difference between actively joining chaos, and becoming enslaved to it against your will. The necrons could essentially be trapped in their own bodies unable to control them as they have been warped by the power of chaos, and controlled by daemons No psychic power or warp signature is necessary in that situation, you don't even need to be alive.

The best bet, fluff wise for "chaos necrons" wouldn't really be corruption, more politics. Necron leaders are generally selfish and insane, in some way or another. Necron arrogance also means that they see their place as above all other races.

It wouldn't be too far fetched, for at least one lord to be crazy enough to go around senslessy killing for khorne, in exchange for a cult of his own, to worship him as a champion,

Basically, any necron chaos allegiance would be a deal, not a corruption. A lot of lords are simply insane enough to make deals to suit themselves.

Destroyers and played ones would not turn to chaos like this, given how damn insane they are. If any chaos entity tried to make a deal with flayed ones, even to get them to do what they do best, they would probably just try to eat it. Destroyers only care about erradication , anything trying to deal with a destroyer that is not made of metal would be shot.

Destroyer lords might be lucid and homicidal enough to make temporary deals with chaos, just to kill more things.

What about a group of Necrons controlled by someone who was a C'tan loyalist that believes the Chaos gods are in some way the true C'tan?

Think of it a sort of Necron Vidkun Quisling or Benedict Arnold.

 Pwn'd You wrote:
I just kinda thought it would be a fun different and creative concept/army

It certainly would be. Don't be dissuaded. All people can say is 'there's been no mention of it in the fluff, yet' The scope of 40k is 'thousands of battles across thousands of planets for thousands of years' anything you want to say can happen, can happen.

Sure there's lots of reasons why it might not fit current written fluff, but write away an explanation and go nuts.

As an aside, I've attended a tournament where someone had done an incredible 'nurgcron' nurgle necron army, and nobody even started talking about 'that's not possible' because it was simple a beautiful army and was awesome to see.