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Christie's dreamy. Had the Republicans ran him it might have been a completely different story.

For some reason I don't think Chris Christie would push his wife to have a healthy-eating campaign...

OBAMA 2012

Like all disasters we didn't see it coming until too late. All this talk of zombies turned our attention away from the real reason why the tail end of this year is so foreboding.

Can't say i'm that surprised, not the biggest fan of Obama, but i would say that about any President.

Did not vote for Obama, but I expected him to win anyway. Personally I haven't seen anything to make me think he has done a good job the first 4 years nor do I see the next 4 being any different.

The interesting thing is to view how each candidate did by county across the country. The big city population areas are the only saving grace for Obama because in most states the majority of the counties went for Romney.

Time to stock up on 'supplies' I guess.

I think it is interesting to compare how each candidate did in a person by person view.

I think Obama did okay, I'm glad Romney didn't win. Didn't vote for either.

 AustonT wrote:

Chongara wrote:Well I was a wrong and I'm hardly broken up about it. This could be a tipping a point and the republicans really only have one card left to play, wonder if they have the balls.

REVOLUTION!

Eiríkr wrote:Good job America. Obama was the right choice for the world.

Exactly 0 American voters consider which canidate is "best for the world."

Um...no. America is part of the world-I'm happy with the rest of the world liking us, and if Obama is helpful to humankind as a whole, that's great. Christie was quoted to say (and I'm paraphrasing) it's disgusting that people were up in arms that he thanked the Democratic President for his actions during HS, being that he's a Republican, and that's what's wrong with our country. Put that on a large scale-humanity should be working together, and leaders that help other nations help humanity to prosper. More than 0 American voters care that the rest of world approves of Obama.

Indeed, Republicans and Democrats should work together to recover the whole nation.

The situation presents Republican members of Congress with an interesting dilemma, though.

In the normal run of things, the economy is likely to recover over the next four years, giving the Democrats a good launch pad for 2016. The obvious job of the Republicans is to frustrate this by sabotaging Obama’s efforts to build up the economy. This should lead them to oppose his budgets and so on.

Republican orthodoxy states, however, that Obama’s measures are bad for the economy. Thus, they actually might do better to work with him and allow the economy to be obviously sabotaged by Democrat led efforts.

The trouble is if they are seen to cooperate too much, they will presumably share in the blame when things go wrong.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I think it is interesting to compare how each candidate did in a person by person view.

Which says pretty much the same thing. From what I could find Obama is leading by at least 2.6 million votes with 2 million of those being from California - the shining beacon of hope that state usually is.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The obvious job of the Republicans is to frustrate this by sabotaging Obama’s efforts to build up the economy. This should lead them to oppose his budgets and so on.

Budgets? When has he submitted a budget that was passed even by his own party? Must have missed that.

The thing is most of those same Republicans that supposedly 'railroaded' Obama's efforts these last 4 years got re-elected even though both Reps. and Dems. have horribly low confidence votes. Seems to me that means that the people that re-elected them want them to keep 'railroading' said efforts.

 Seaward wrote:

I'd like to say I hope this leads to the Republicans doing a bit of smart reorganizing

This has been needing to happen for some time. Let the Republican party take this as the wake up call it is. Not just in the White House but in Congress, too. They've been shifter further right over the past few elections and they need to bring it back closer to moderation on a number of issues. They're alienating people, myself included (long-time Republican).

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Indeed, Republicans and Democrats should work together to recover the whole nation.

The situation presents Republican members of Congress with an interesting dilemma, though.

In the normal run of things, the economy is likely to recover over the next four years, giving the Democrats a good launch pad for 2016. The obvious job of the Republicans is to frustrate this by sabotaging Obama’s efforts to build up the economy. This should lead them to oppose his budgets and so on.

Republican orthodoxy states, however, that Obama’s measures are bad for the economy. Thus, they actually might do better to work with him and allow the economy to be obviously sabotaged by Democrat led efforts.

The trouble is if they are seen to cooperate too much, they will presumably share in the blame when things go wrong.

Hits nail on head.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I
Republican orthodoxy states, however, that Obama’s measures are bad for the economy. Thus, they actually might do better to work with him and allow the economy to be obviously sabotaged by Democrat led efforts.

The trouble is if they are seen to cooperate too much, they will presumably share in the blame when things go wrong.

The issue is that the Republican orthodoxy is almost entirely fiction. So the first half or your post is the correct half.

This could be a turning point, with the great-white-far-right becoming more and more isolated the republicans basically have to play to the middle to have any hope of retaining real power. However if they do this those very elements could fracture from the party still leaving them without enough support to retain power. They're in a lose-lose as they cannot both adapt to a changing america and retain their strong right arm, they need both to win.

Really their only option is to try and sabotage things and drag down the rest of the country along with the president. The president is going to be held accountable for what happens from here on out, no matter what the real cause is. If they can obstruct and misdirect enough to get things to collapse again, they'll be able to sweep up weary moderates no matter how distasteful they find the Todd Akin types.

 Archaeo wrote:
Did not vote for Obama, but I expected him to win anyway. Personally I haven't seen anything to make me think he has done a good job the first 4 years nor do I see the next 4 being any different.

The interesting thing is to view how each candidate did by county across the country. The big city population areas are the only saving grace for Obama because in most states the majority of the counties went for Romney.

Because that's where, you know, most of the PEOPLE are.

 reds8n wrote:




RT Rybak, Mayor of Minneapolis, apparently. And apparently that’s his mum ahead of him. Only in America.

I so want to see that picture!

All I see is the Big RED X of Doom!

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Indeed, Republicans and Democrats should work together to recover the whole nation.

The situation presents Republican members of Congress with an interesting dilemma, though.

In the normal run of things, the economy is likely to recover over the next four years, giving the Democrats a good launch pad for 2016. The obvious job of the Republicans is to frustrate this by sabotaging Obama’s efforts to build up the economy. This should lead them to oppose his budgets and so on.

Republican orthodoxy states, however, that Obama’s measures are bad for the economy. Thus, they actually might do better to work with him and allow the economy to be obviously sabotaged by Democrat led efforts.

The trouble is if they are seen to cooperate too much, they will presumably share in the blame when things go wrong.

Actually the normal thing would be another recession...

4 more years of millions of Americans losing jobs. More Americans not being counted as 'unemployed' because they gave up looking for a job. 4 more years of the most corrupt justice department ever. Will probably get a few more Supreme Court Justices that like to crap on the Constitution and individual liberty.

You reap what you sow. What will the excuses be in 4 years when things are no better or, more probably, worse?

gorgon wrote:

 Archaeo wrote:
Did not vote for Obama, but I expected him to win anyway. Personally I haven't seen anything to make me think he has done a good job the first 4 years nor do I see the next 4 being any different.

The interesting thing is to view how each candidate did by county across the country. The big city population areas are the only saving grace for Obama because in most states the majority of the counties went for Romney.

Because that's where, you know, most of the PEOPLE are.

Yeah but they hardly count. They're not real Americas. Real Americans are from Small Town america.

 SickSix wrote:
4 more years of millions of Americans losing jobs. More Americans not being counted as 'unemployed' because they gave up looking for a job. 4 more years of the most corrupt justice department ever. Will probably get a few more Supreme Court Justices that like to crap on the Constitution and individual liberty.

You reap what you sew. What will the excuses be in 4 years when things are no better or, more probably, worse?

Blah blah blah

Despite more jobs being created, more Americans being counted as unemployed because they started looking for jobs again...

This is funny

No, Real Americans are from Mexico

SickSix wrote:You reap what you sew.

Generally you tend to reap what you sow, unless you're really bad at needlework.

 SickSix wrote:
4 more years of millions of Americans losing jobs. More Americans not being counted as 'unemployed' because they gave up looking for a job. 4 more years of the most corrupt justice department ever. Will probably get a few more Supreme Court Justices that like to crap on the Constitution and individual liberty.

You reap what you sew. What will the excuses be in 4 years when things are no better or, more probably, worse?

*sow
Unless you mean like some kind of clothes farmer but that wouldn't make any sense...

Ew the stock market is dropping like a rock.

 Frazzled wrote:
Ew the stock market is dropping like a rock.

And that's surprising..... why?

*considering moving to Colorado for the absolute beautiful scenery... *ahem...

I voted for Obama, not because he is a political genius or because he accomplished all that much his first term, but that I tend to not vote for racist, elitist fearmongers who want to revert civil rights and related back to the fifties...

Obama didnt "WIN" so much as Romney threw the election away by having no identifiable position on anything, supporting racist/sexist/zealous douches and generally insulting and dismissing people he needed votes from to win. For someon who is supposedly good with math he couldnt seem to figure this out...

The Republican party needs to accept that extremism when it comes to religion/race/social issues is no longer a winning stance in an America whose demographic face is steadily moving away from one that supports the good 'ol boys club and the various outdated philosophies that the Akins of the world still cling to....

They need to adapt and rebrand themselves or they are in for similar dissapointments in coming elections...

 CT GAMER wrote:
I voted for Obama, not because he is a political genius or because he accomplished all that much his first term, but that I tend to not vote for racist, elitist fearmongers who want to revert civil rights and related back to the fifties...

So I understand why you didn't vote for Goode, but why didn't you vote for Romney?

 CT GAMER wrote:
I voted for Obama, not because he is a political genius or because he accomplished all that much his first term, but that I tend to not vote for racist warmongers who want to revert civil rights and related back to the fifties...

Obama didnt "WIN" so much as Romney thrw the election away by having no identifiable position on anything, supporting racist/sexist/zealo9u douches and generally insulting and dismissing people he needed votes from to win. For someon who is supposedly good with math he could seem to figure this out...

The Republican party needs to accept that extremism when it comes to religion/race/social issues is no longer a winning stance in an America whose demographic face is steadily moving away from one that supports the good 'ol boys club and the various outdated philosophies that the Akins of the world still cling to....

They need to adapt and rebrand themselves or they are in for similar dissapointments in coming elections...

They need those "racist/sexist/zealous douches" to win though, they just don't have enough external support to ditch them yet, and the process of gaining that external support would leave them flapping in the wind for too long if they ditched those elements to do so. It's a really hard position to be in.

 Seaward wrote:

 CT GAMER wrote:
I voted for Obama, not because he is a political genius or because he accomplished all that much his first term, but that I tend to not vote for racist, elitist fearmongers who want to revert civil rights and related back to the fifties...

So I understand why you didn't vote for Goode, but why didn't you vote for Romney?

main reasons:


1. Ryan, Akin, Mourdock & co.= flying rodent gak crazy

2. Pretty much anything said on Fox News

3. On a personal note Bain shut my moms factory that she worked at for 32 years and made her help train the chinese workers before they kicked her out the door yet Romney wants to label her "lazy and entitled 47%".

4. He was and is out of touch and utterly a slave to republican propaganda.

5. He has no understanding of life outside the land of the 1%

Other then that I guess he would have been a great choice...

Congratulations Obama!

Congratulations America! We survived a mean, awful election cycle with the end result the weakening of extremism and the strengthening of civil liberties!

And, congratulations Dakka! Now, we can enjoy a good 12 months of non-flame-war off-topic board.

 Grakmar wrote:
Congratulations Obama!

Congratulations America! We survived a mean, awful election cycle with the end result the weakening of extremism and the strengthening of civil liberties!

And, congratulations Dakka! Now, we can enjoy a good 12 months of non-flame-war off-topic board.

If by civil liberties you mean strengthening none of them, gotcha!