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Im glad for two reasons.
I get to hear about my cousin whining on facebook about it, and i dont have to hear from him about how Romney will be better every single day.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Grakmar wrote:
Congratulations Obama!

Congratulations America! We survived a mean, awful election cycle with the end result the weakening of extremism and the strengthening of civil liberties!

And, congratulations Dakka! Now, we can enjoy a good 12 months of non-flame-war off-topic board.

If by civil liberties you mean strengthening none of them, gotcha!

NDAA is baaaaaaaad ju-ju...

 Chongara wrote:
If they can obstruct and misdirect enough to get things to collapse again, they'll be able to sweep up weary moderates no matter how distasteful
they find the Todd Akin types.

Don't be so sure of that.

Akins had a slam-dunk victory waiting for him in here in Missouri. EVERYONE hated McCaskill, she has done a very poor job representing the state as a Senator and even most Democrats were planning on voting against her. Then Akins opened his mouth and made a horribly divisive statement, LITERALLY snatching defeat from the jaws of certain victory.

There comes a point where publically making a divisive statement is idiotic. Akins was well past it when he made his legitimate rape statement. Now I'm not going to get into the morality of abortion; that's not the point. He made a divisive statement that only a fool wouldn't have known would cost him votes. In doing so he cast his own ability to make intelligent decisions into doubt.... and it cost him the election he should have won.


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 SickSix wrote:
4 more years of millions of Americans losing jobs. More Americans not being counted as 'unemployed' because they gave up looking for a job. 4 more years of the most corrupt justice department ever. Will probably get a few more Supreme Court Justices that like to crap on the Constitution and individual liberty.

You reap what you sow. What will the excuses be in 4 years when things are no better or, more probably, worse?

Ah... 31 staight months of net job creation (I'll grant you they are sucky jobs and don't even come close to replaceing the ones lost under Bush 2.0). Four years of record corporate profits. Yeah, Obama really knows how to wreck an economy, don't he?

 Vulcan wrote:

 Chongara wrote:
If they can obstruct and misdirect enough to get things to collapse again, they'll be able to sweep up weary moderates no matter how distasteful
they find the Todd Akin types.

Don't be so sure of that.

Akins had a slam-dunk victory waiting for him in here in Missouri. EVERYONE hated McCaskill, she has done a very poor job representing the state as a Senator and even most Democrats were planning on voting against her. Then Akins opened his mouth and made a horribly divisive statement, LITERALLY snatching defeat from the jaws of certain victory.

There comes a point where publically making a divisive statement is idiotic. Akins was well past it when he made his legitimate rape statement. Now I'm not going to get into the morality of abortion; that's not the point. He made a divisive statement that only a fool wouldn't have known would cost him votes. In doing so he cast his own ability to make intelligent decisions into doubt.... and it cost him the election he should have won.


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 SickSix wrote:
4 more years of millions of Americans losing jobs. More Americans not being counted as 'unemployed' because they gave up looking for a job. 4 more years of the most corrupt justice department ever. Will probably get a few more Supreme Court Justices that like to crap on the Constitution and individual liberty.

You reap what you sow. What will the excuses be in 4 years when things are no better or, more probably, worse?

Ah... 31 staight months of net job creation (I'll grant you they are sucky jobs and don't even come close to replaceing the ones lost under Bush 2.0). Four years of record corporate profits. Yeah, Obama really knows how to wreck an economy, don't he?

yep.

 Frazzled wrote:
Ew the stock market is dropping like a rock.

Yes, I also visited the Drudge Report today to sip some tears, and saw the big bold OWN IT headline overlaid the 300 point drop today - mostly in industries now expected to face tighter regulation (i.e., banking). While obviously, the events of the last few years show that the banking industry needs no further regulation and they will always do what's best if left alone (snicker); I'll do you one better.

I'll agree Obama is responsible for today's 300 point drop, if you cede he's also responsible for the approx 5,000 point increase starting Jan 20th, 2009. Which is it, buddy? The POTUS is, or is not, responsible for the stock market?

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Ew the stock market is dropping like a rock.

Yes, I also visited the Drudge Report today to sip some tears, and saw the big bold OWN IT headline overlaid the 300 point drop today - mostly in industries now expected to face tighter regulation (i.e., banking). While obviously, the events of the last few years show that the banking industry needs no further regulation and they will always do what's best if left alone (snicker); I'll do you one better.

I'll agree Obama is responsible for today's 300 point drop, if you cede he's also responsible for the approx 5,000 point increase starting Jan 20th, 2009. Which is it, buddy? The POTUS is, or is not, responsible for the stock market?

How about the growth in stock market since 1900?
Blame Bush!

I see your response is simply derp, instead of concepts or ideas. Sad, but expected.

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Ew the stock market is dropping like a rock.

Yes, I also visited the Drudge Report today to sip some tears, and saw the big bold OWN IT headline overlaid the 300 point drop today - mostly in industries now expected to face tighter regulation (i.e., banking). While obviously, the events of the last few years show that the banking industry needs no further regulation and they will always do what's best if left alone (snicker); I'll do you one better.

I'll agree Obama is responsible for today's 300 point drop, if you cede he's also responsible for the approx 5,000 point increase starting Jan 20th, 2009. Which is it, buddy? The POTUS is, or is not, responsible for the stock market?

I'll jump in... sure... those 5k increase reflected on the big corporations. Yep, all POTUS fault and sometimes Congress too...

As for the 300pt drop today? Yep... but the kicker is to see how the market reacts between now and the next 6 month.

I don't think things would change much... what we know of the last 2 years... is what we'll see for the next 2-4 years.

 Ouze wrote:
I see your response is simply derp, instead of concepts or ideas. Sad, but expected.

Energy industry down
Automobile industry down
Aerospace down.

Presidential policies can have an impact.

 SickSix wrote:
4 more years of millions of Americans losing jobs. More Americans not being counted as 'unemployed' because they gave up looking for a job. 4 more years of the most corrupt justice department ever. Will probably get a few more Supreme Court Justices that like to crap on the Constitution and individual liberty.

You reap what you sow. What will the excuses be in 4 years when things are no better or, more probably, worse?

So, may we commit this to Dakka's collective memory, just so that we can all laugh at you when the world isn't all flames and suffering 4 years from now?

So, does he own the 5,000 point increase?

 Ouze wrote:
So, does he own the 5,000 point increase?

Yup. Good job Obama.

And yet, Boeing is laying off 30% of non-union workforce in California... announced today! That timing seems awfully... convenient dontcha think?

Businesses are seeing the writing on the walls... so that 5k point increase may go *poof* in the next few months. (I really, REALLY hope not)

Yeah... I'm being eeyorish...


Oh... and I credit Obama for Sturm Ruger's (RGR) being up almost 8 percent for the DAY. Now why is that?

Pro-tip: Buy stocks on guns/ammo companynow. The run on ammo will start again... (which fething sucks sometimes...)

 Ouze wrote:
So, does he own the 5,000 point increase?

No, of course not don't be daft. He was however a factor.


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 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
So, does he own the 5,000 point increase?

Yup. Good job Obama.

And yet, Boeing is laying off 30% of non-union workforce in California... announced today! That timing seems awfully... convenient dontcha think?

Businesses are seeing the writing on the walls... so that 5k point increase may go *poof* in the next few months. (I really, REALLY hope not)

Yeah... I'm being eeyorish...

The defense layoffs are about to be epic.

The timing is only convenient if you explicitly avoid reading the part of Boeing's response where they state the election results were not a factor in their decision making. Indeed, this has been in the works for 2 years and there is no reason to think that any different would happen if Romney was elected - it's got more to due with the fact we're no longer actively fighting 2 simultaneous wars.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
4 more years of millions of Americans losing jobs. More Americans not being counted as 'unemployed' because they gave up looking for a job. 4 more years of the most corrupt justice department ever. Will probably get a few more Supreme Court Justices that like to crap on the Constitution and individual liberty.

You reap what you sow. What will the excuses be in 4 years when things are no better or, more probably, worse?

So, may we commit this to Dakka's collective memory, just so that we can all laugh at you when the world isn't all flames and suffering 4 years from now?

You could always add that to your sigline, because I sure as gak wont remember.

Obama is probably the greatest serving head of government on earth right now. Four more year, i'll drink to that

 Ouze wrote:
The timing is only convenient if you explicitly avoid reading the part of Boeing's response where they state the election results were not a factor in their decision making. Indeed, this has been in the works for 2 years and there is no reason to think that any different would happen if Romney was elected - it's got more to due with the fact we're no longer actively fighting 2 simultaneous wars.

Fair enuff... but, you do know that Boeing almost ALWAYS engages in this kind of information/disinformation for other reasons... right?

If Sequester occurs... it'll get much worst.

 AustonT wrote:
You could always add that to your sigline, because I sure as gak wont remember.

You know, I actually added to my calendar sometime a year ago a throwaway line from Biccat about how even a cardboard cutout could beat Obama in 2012. This morning, I brought it up to edit it into my sig and decided that would be lame for 3 reasons. First off, his own sig - which formerly consisted of other people admitting he was right about something - was edited by moderation; which to me implies that they don't like sigs being used to ridicule people for the things they've said.

Second, it looks like maybe he quit Dakka anyway, I haven't seen him in forever.

Third, he had to wake up this morning and know Obama would be president until 2016*, that the economy is likely to recover and he'll get credit for it, that healthcare is now locked into place and beyond challenges - in short, knowing that Obama has already been an enormously successful president in terms of getting his legislative goals accomplished and is likely only to increasingly do so - knowing that Biccat also knows all these things, that just seems like enough.

*or the zombie apocalypse, whichever comes first


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 whembly wrote:
Fair enuff... but, you do know that Boeing almost ALWAYS engages in this kind of information/disinformation for other reasons... right?

If you're going to say something, stop being dance around sally and just post it.

 Ouze wrote:
The timing is only convenient if you explicitly avoid reading the part of Boeing's response where they state the election results were not a factor in their decision making. Indeed, this has been in the works for 2 years and there is no reason to think that any different would happen if Romney was elected - it's got more to due with the fact we're no longer actively fighting 2 simultaneous wars.

30% in management is no real loss, especially if they think they can function without it. I'd be more concerned if they were manufacturing jobs. To pretend that their official statement and reality are related is something else entirely. Boeing isn't suffering from not fighting two wars. Boeing is suffering from the same procurement woes as other prime military contractors are and will be as the DoD reduces spending and international buyers look to increasingly competitive designs from contractors closer to their homes. I have a list of reason Boeing is in deep gak, but I'm sure you don't really care and it can be summed up as: Boeing has failed to stay relevant.

 Ouze wrote:

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 whembly wrote:
Fair enuff... but, you do know that Boeing almost ALWAYS engages in this kind of information/disinformation for other reasons... right?

If you're going to say something, stop being dance around sally and just post it.

Boeing is a big union shop...

All I was saying that when they *talk* about laying off folks, it's mostly posturing (union negotiations, political, etc...). It's a common tactic.

If you want something to look at, check this out:
http://inflation.us/charts.html
Scroll down to the 4th chart... the inflation-adjusted Dow. By that measure, we're equal to where we were in 1995... or go further... 1963.

Ben Bernanke may yet be able to get us to 20k... but it won't mean a damn thing. Because...math. (yes, I'm referring to hyper-inflation)


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 AustonT wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
The timing is only convenient if you explicitly avoid reading the part of Boeing's response where they state the election results were not a factor in their decision making. Indeed, this has been in the works for 2 years and there is no reason to think that any different would happen if Romney was elected - it's got more to due with the fact we're no longer actively fighting 2 simultaneous wars.

30% in management is no real loss, especially if they think they can function without it. I'd be more concerned if they were manufacturing jobs. To pretend that their official statement and reality are related is something else entirely. Boeing isn't suffering from not fighting two wars. Boeing is suffering from the same procurement woes as other prime military contractors are and will be as the DoD reduces spending and international buyers look to increasingly competitive designs from contractors closer to their homes. I have a list of reason Boeing is in deep gak, but I'm sure you don't really care and it can be summed up as: Boeing has failed to stay relevant.

Which is a real shame...

Maybe the sequestration needs to happen? Just so that all of this can get forcibly re-calibrated.

Even if it is a response to the election, so what? Are we obligated to keep putting ourselves deeper and deeper in debt and start more foreign wars to ensure that no military contractor ever has to cut jobs? Should we buy hardware that we don't actually need because otherwise we might lose jobs (of course losing corporate profits is not an option)?

It's just amusing that the same people who complain about job losses because of military spending cuts are absolutely opposed to things like the auto bailout (protect jobs!) or welfare programs. I guess welfare is only good when it's given to the military?

 Peregrine wrote:
Even if it is a response to the election, so what? Are we obligated to keep putting ourselves deeper and deeper in debt and start more foreign wars to ensure that no military contractor ever has to cut jobs? Should we buy hardware that we don't actually need because otherwise we might lose jobs (of course losing corporate profits is not an option)?

nope

It's just amusing that the same people who complain about job losses because of military spending cuts are absolutely opposed to things like the auto bailout (protect jobs!) or welfare programs. I guess welfare is only good when it's given to the military?

yep

Also the criminal industrial complex is starting to rival in expense.

 Frazzled wrote:
Also the criminal industrial complex is starting to rival in expense.

Delightful - that's a phrase I have not previously encountered. Also a deeply disturbing trend, indeed. for-profit prisons should never have been allowed to grow the way they have, their corruptibility is a baked-in feature that simply cannot be overcome.

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Also the criminal industrial complex is starting to rival in expense.

Delightful - that's a phrase I have not previously encountered. Also a deeply disturbing trend, indeed. for-profit prisons should never have been allowed to grow the way they have, their corruptibility is a baked-in feature that simply cannot be overcome.

This, though I prefer prison-industrial complex.

You know something is seriously wrong when the government now has a profit motive for inventing crimes and finding that you're guilty of them. Prisons need to go back to being a major drain on the budget so we only imprison the people who deserve it enough that we're willing to pay to keep them out of society. Too bad the war on drugs is profitable enough that it will never happen...

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Also the criminal industrial complex is starting to rival in expense.

Delightful - that's a phrase I have not previously encountered. Also a deeply disturbing trend, indeed. for-profit prisons should never have been allowed to grow the way they have, their corruptibility is a baked-in feature that simply cannot be overcome.

Not just for profit prisons. The whole state and federal criminal justice system. Its massively big business. Its also a big reason drug decriminalization is resisted so massively. All that drug enfrocement machinery is big business.


I guess I should call it the criminal justice industrial complex, but mine sounds more catchy.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Also the criminal industrial complex is starting to rival in expense.

Delightful - that's a phrase I have not previously encountered. Also a deeply disturbing trend, indeed. for-profit prisons should never have been allowed to grow the way they have, their corruptibility is a baked-in feature that simply cannot be overcome.

This, though I prefer prison-industrial complex.

You know something is seriously wrong when the government now has a profit motive for inventing crimes and finding that you're guilty of them. Prisons need to go back to being a major drain on the budget so we only imprison the people who deserve it enough that we're willing to pay to keep them out of society. Too bad the war on drugs is profitable enough that it will never happen...

And Colorado is off to a good start!
<whistling...>

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Also the criminal industrial complex is starting to rival in expense.

Delightful - that's a phrase I have not previously encountered. Also a deeply disturbing trend, indeed. for-profit prisons should never have been allowed to grow the way they have, their corruptibility is a baked-in feature that simply cannot be overcome.

Not just for profit prisons. The whole state and federal criminal justice system. Its massively big business. Its also a big reason drug decriminalization is resisted so massively. All that drug enfrocement machinery is big business.


I guess I should call it the criminal justice industrial complex, but mine sounds more catchy.

Yes, I agree in all ways. I simply picked out for-profit prisons as the juiciest slice of the horse-poop pie, assuming you can make a horse-poop pie without the TSA or ATF.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I think he's a decent president but I don't think I would call him exceptional, 7/10. I'm hoping to see even more changes to healthcare and education.

More environmental initiatives would be good as well very little in politics has been done to solve climate issues and it would better to start sooner rather than later.

Did you quote yourself?

 AustonT wrote:
Did you quote yourself?

Yeah, I was just adding on to what I was saying.