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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 10:37:15
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
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Hello!
Is it generally advisable to use a gloss basecoat as the first layer for a miniature? I just sprayed several of my newly-stripped miniatures without checking if my spray was gloss or matte, and now they're all glossy. While I prefer matte coats, I do not have the money on hand to buy any new sprays nor do I want to go through the arduous process of stripping paint (the smell gives me a nausea). Will the paint's adherence to this layer be an issue?
Thanks guys
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 14:38:15
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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On the whole a glossy surface is a poor surface as far as adhesion of new paint is concerned.
I would say strip them and respray them with the correct paint.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 15:12:06
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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You don't really have to strip them, you could probably just basecoat over them lightly.
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This discussion is absurd. The mental gymnastics on display here are appalling. The combat familiar gives the DP two attacks with a specific profile. The special rule modifies the DP's attacks, no matter how it got those attacks. The CF's attacks are at AP 2. Anything else is stupid. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 15:17:09
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Adanis wrote:You don't really have to strip them, you could probably just basecoat over them lightly.
Glossy surface has poor adhesion qualities, if you spray over it, it should and probably will chip off far too easily and thats if it doesnt just peel!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 15:22:28
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Death-Dealing Devastator
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Firstly, never test paint on a model you're going to use; use an old sprue or a model that'll never see the light of day.
Secondly, you could rough up the surface using a fine grit sandpaper. That should get rid of the sheen and give the surface a key so further paint layers can adhere.
The only other option is to strip them down, start over and take this as a lesson learned
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 15:34:09
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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if you have matte varnish/dullcote have you tried spraying one of them to remove the gloss then try painting over the matte finish?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 16:40:43
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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You can almost certainly just spray a matte finish over the glosscoat and carry on painting. People regularly recommend a layer of Testors glosscoat to protect models covered by a layer of dullcoate to give them that nice matte finish.
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This discussion is absurd. The mental gymnastics on display here are appalling. The combat familiar gives the DP two attacks with a specific profile. The special rule modifies the DP's attacks, no matter how it got those attacks. The CF's attacks are at AP 2. Anything else is stupid. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 17:54:10
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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Adanis wrote:You can almost certainly just spray a matte finish over the glosscoat and carry on painting. People regularly recommend a layer of Testors glosscoat to protect models covered by a layer of dullcoate to give them that nice matte finish.
exactly what i was thinking. I've never had a problem painting over a dullcoted layer of paint. If anything the paint sticks better to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 19:48:27
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Applying matt varnish over the top of gloss varnish is not the same as applying layers and layers of paint ontop of a glossy surface. Also the varnishes would be thinner based, not acrylics applied brush. These are not the same and adhere very differently.
The only real option here is to strip and start again, sanding would be an option if it were a sandable surface, being a miniature there's almost zero chance you can physically do a good quality sanding job over 100% of the model.
If you go with spraying matt onto it to give it too the for more paint, then I remain quite confident that the paint job wont last anywhere near as long as if you do it correctly and will peel and flake away, and chip easily.
Frankly I'm shocked how many here are recommending to paint over a glossy surface! Anything less than stripping it and respraying would result in a poor job tbh. Sanding was almost an option but not really because of how tricky it will be to sand every nook and cranny.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 20:18:47
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I meant you could just put a thin layer of Testors dullcoate over the glossy surface, paint it adequately, then coat it in another layer of dullcoate to protect it like normal.
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This discussion is absurd. The mental gymnastics on display here are appalling. The combat familiar gives the DP two attacks with a specific profile. The special rule modifies the DP's attacks, no matter how it got those attacks. The CF's attacks are at AP 2. Anything else is stupid. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 20:22:30
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Where are you from (country wise)?
As others have posted, starting with a gloss basecoat is a mistake, and at best the only passable workaround is dullcoating, then painting over. The best option is, of course, stripping these and re-basecoating with a proper primer, which can be found for 1-3 dollars readily at home depot/lowes/walmart.
Also - if your stripping is giving you nausea, there are better chemicals and ways to do it, nausea implies to me you're using something you shouldn't, or using something you should improperly (huffing fumes). Some more info and we could probably give a bit more helpful advice on how to proceed, without much added cost.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/07 20:48:50
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The only time I'd use a gloss basecoat is when the surface requirements dictate; this boils down to 'When using alclad or similar lacquers'. In those cases you need the shiny surface to enable you to polish the subsequent lacquer coat to a mirror finish.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/08 04:27:50
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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heavybolter wrote: Adanis wrote:You can almost certainly just spray a matte finish over the glosscoat and carry on painting. People regularly recommend a layer of Testors glosscoat to protect models covered by a layer of dullcoate to give them that nice matte finish.
exactly what i was thinking. I've never had a problem painting over a dullcoted layer of paint. If anything the paint sticks better to me.
The paint will stick quite well to the dullcote, but the dullcote will always be poorly adhered to the bottom layer of gloss. Which isn't great. Personally I wouldn't bother risking it peeling, flaking or chipping off when the solution is simply to strip and respray with the right product; if at first you don't succeed, try and try again. (that doesn't mean cover up ones mistakes and hope its all okay  ).
Put it this way - what if you happen to pull off the best paintjob you ever did on this mini, and then it quickly deteriorates, noticably quicker than all the other models painted correctly. Just because of being a bit lazy at this stage when you've made a mistake.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/08 07:08:01
Subject: Re:Gloss Basecoat?
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1st Lieutenant
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Since yellow is such a bear to paint well, especially on larger models, I spray them a gloss yellow since I can't find any yellow spray locally. What I've done so paint will adhere is after it's sat for 24+ hrs, I take a very small amount of acetone nail polish remover on a cotton ball & lightly wipe the model down just to cut the slick finish. Works pretty well. Haven't tried it with figures yet, though, just tanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/08 11:00:33
Subject: Gloss Basecoat?
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Jealous that Horus is Warmaster
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Hello! Thanks for the replies everyone. Yeah, in retrospect I probably shouldn't have tried coating them with a brand new brand of spray. :( Other than Dettol(what I'm using now) I'm not sure what stripping liquids I have access to. Perhaps simple green, but I'm not too sure.
I'm from Singapore, and the sprays that I've looked at so far are not as cheap as 1-3 dollars. I'll probably dump them back inside the remaining Dettol I have, since more of the minis are floating about in there anyway. I'll start over!
Before that, I'll try with the aceton nail polish remover thingy.
Once again, thanks for the replies guys!
Edit: I used acetone-free nail polish remover and instead of getting rid of the glossiness, it got rid of the paint. Everything went better than expected!
However, there're still hard to reach crevices that have quite some paint buildup, should I rinse my toothbrush in that and just brush it off?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/11/08 12:55:15
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