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When will the company release them? I'd love to play as the Japanese destroying a coalition of Brits and Aussies in Singapore.

While I would love to play the largest and most ethinically diverse army of the whole war anihilating the Japanese in Burma.

Allegedly there won't be anything official until 2014 though.

I have a friend that asked about the Japanese army, which I want dearly, and he said they replied back that finding information about the Japanese army is akin to finding a needle in a haystack as much of the information has ceased to exist.

That's a shame.

But for anyone from the company reading this:

Do some rules for a hypothesised invasion of Japan by the Allies.

They did do a full mock-up invasion after the war to see how it would do, the deaths were in the millions and the total annihilation of the Japanese people and culture.


Another scary thought, Operation Sealion (invasion of Great Britian by Nazi Germany), was performed at a war college after the war. The invasion using all known resources available to Hitler at the time was such a roaring success Britian would have fallen within weeks.

 BunkerBob wrote:

Another scary thought, Operation Sealion (invasion of Great Britian by Nazi Germany), was performed at a war college after the war. The invasion using all known resources available to Hitler at the time was such a roaring success Britian would have fallen within weeks.

Assuming victory in the Battle of Britain, or including the Battle of Britain? With 100% resource commitment and better intelligence, an invasion would possibly have been that great of a success. As it was (Britain outproducing Germany in aircraft, German intelligence on said production and British Fighter Command a miserable failure, and the small advantage given by British radar) the Battle of Britain favored the British, although it still could have gone either way.

codemonkey wrote:

 BunkerBob wrote:

Another scary thought, Operation Sealion (invasion of Great Britian by Nazi Germany), was performed at a war college after the war. The invasion using all known resources available to Hitler at the time was such a roaring success Britian would have fallen within weeks.

Assuming victory in the Battle of Britain, or including the Battle of Britain? With 100% resource commitment and better intelligence, an invasion would possibly have been that great of a success. As it was (Britain outproducing Germany in aircraft, German intelligence on said production and British Fighter Command a miserable failure, and the small advantage given by British radar) the Battle of Britain favored the British, although it still could have gone either way.

Operation Sealion was the Summer Capaign that the guys at WWPD held. of course with a little support from BAttlefront for this fictional BAttle.

 BunkerBob wrote:
They did do a full mock-up invasion after the war to see how it would do, the deaths were in the millions and the total annihilation of the Japanese people and culture.


Another scary thought, Operation Sealion (invasion of Great Britian by Nazi Germany), was performed at a war college after the war. The invasion using all known resources available to Hitler at the time was such a roaring success Britian would have fallen within weeks.

I expect that this mock-up of the invasion of Britain just assumes all of Hitler's military might appears in Britain?

The Germans did not have anywhere near enough transport ships to actually get a large army across the Chanel, and were constantly losing the ones they had to British bombing. Even with enough transports (and the Royal Air Force assumed destroyed), Germany could not contend with British naval might, so would not be able to defend their transport ships as they crossed, allowing them to be easily picked off by the British Navy.

For Operation Sealion to be anywhere near feasible, both the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy would need to have been destroyed, and Germany would still need many more transports after that.

(I expect Big P will be along with a more detailed reply shortly...)



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 col. krazy kenny wrote:

codemonkey wrote:

 BunkerBob wrote:

Another scary thought, Operation Sealion (invasion of Great Britian by Nazi Germany), was performed at a war college after the war. The invasion using all known resources available to Hitler at the time was such a roaring success Britian would have fallen within weeks.

Assuming victory in the Battle of Britain, or including the Battle of Britain? With 100% resource commitment and better intelligence, an invasion would possibly have been that great of a success. As it was (Britain outproducing Germany in aircraft, German intelligence on said production and British Fighter Command a miserable failure, and the small advantage given by British radar) the Battle of Britain favored the British, although it still could have gone either way.

Operation Sealion was the Summer Capaign that the guys at WWPD held. of course with a little support from BAttlefront for this fictional BAttle.

Operation Sealion was the name of the actual Nazi plans for invasion of Britain, which obviously never came to fruition.

 General Seric wrote:


(I expect Big P will be along with a more detailed reply shortly...)

Evening.


Ah the old Sealion myth of German invincibility.

Actually it was fought twice at Sandhurst as a military strategic wargame. One with the Germans having beaten the RAF and secured naval supremacy in the Channel, neither of which they could do in reality, was indeed a success, though only in as the Germans progressed as far as the outskirts of London before their logistics ground to a halt.

The version played with the result of the Battle of Britain, as it was, was an utter disaster for the Germans with the entire fleet sunk or destroyed on landing.


The real point is though that Germany could never, and never intended, to invade Great Britain. They lacked any amphibious experience or doctrine (see Norway for the huge shipping losses they took to land there, or the failed seaborne invasion attempt on Crete). They had also sustained massive losses to the navy in Norway, coupled with huge losses in the transport fleet, which when added to the losses sustained in the Fallschirmjager ruled out there participation until 1941. They also were going to use flat bottomed Rhine barges to cross the Channel.

It was all an exercise to look like they would invade, when in reality the German high command knew they couldnt, but it served a purpose to look as if they were, forcing both the RAF and RN to maintain large Home Seas fleets and air cover, which deprived other regions of support. Rundstedt took the view that Hitler never seriously intended to invade Britain and the whole thing was a bluff, to put pressure on the British to come to terms. Dönitz believed air superiority was never enough and stated, "We possessed neither control of the air or the sea; nor were we in any position to gain it."

It would never have worked. Even without the RN and the RAF, the barges would have sunk before they reached Great Britain...

I have a friend that asked about the Japanese army, which I want dearly, and he said they replied back that finding information about the Japanese army is akin to finding a needle in a haystack as much of the information has ceased to exist.

Well they aint looked very hard then. What alot of rubbish.

Big P wrote:

 General Seric wrote:


(I expect Big P will be along with a more detailed reply shortly...)

Evening.


Ah the old Sealion myth of German invincibility.

Actually it was fought twice at Sandhurst as a military strategic wargame. One with the Germans having beaten the RAF and secured naval supremacy in the Channel, neither of which they could do in reality, was indeed a success, though only in as the Germans progressed as far as the outskirts of London before their logistics ground to a halt.

The version played with the result of the Battle of Britain, as it was, was an utter disaster for the Germans with the entire fleet sunk or destroyed on landing.


The real point is though that Germany could never, and never intended, to invade Great Britain. They lacked any amphibious experience or doctrine (see Norway for the huge shipping losses they took to land there, or the failed seaborne invasion attempt on Crete). They had also sustained massive losses to the navy in Norway, coupled with huge losses in the transport fleet, which when added to the losses sustained in the Fallschirmjager ruled out there participation until 1941. They also were going to use flat bottomed Rhine barges to cross the Channel.

It was all an exercise to look like they would invade, when in reality the German high command knew they couldnt, but it served a purpose to look as if they were, forcing both the RAF and RN to maintain large Home Seas fleets and air cover, which deprived other regions of support. Rundstedt took the view that Hitler never seriously intended to invade Britain and the whole thing was a bluff, to put pressure on the British to come to terms. Dönitz believed air superiority was never enough and stated, "We possessed neither control of the air or the sea; nor were we in any position to gain it."

It would never have worked. Even without the RN and the RAF, the barges would have sunk before they reached Great Britain...

I have a friend that asked about the Japanese army, which I want dearly, and he said they replied back that finding information about the Japanese army is akin to finding a needle in a haystack as much of the information has ceased to exist.

Well they aint looked very hard then. What alot of rubbish.

But what was the long term plan for dealing with Britain if the blockade of it had failed? I mean did they have a plan for anything down the line. Or did Hitler being Hitler not think that far ahead.

 Makarov wrote:

But what was the long term plan for dealing with Britain if the blockade of it had failed? I mean did they have a plan for anything down the line. Or did Hitler being Hitler not think that far ahead.

Hitler was a lot more concerned with the Soviets. If he managed to beat the USSR then Britian would probably have sued for peace. If not the Germans would have truned their full attention on the RAF and RN and the subsequent invasion would probably have been succesful, if costly.

There was a British war college that performed the tests, sometime in the sixties. I'll attempt to find the book but I don't have my hopes up of finding said book as it is equally as old.

Yes.... I already said - It was Sandhurst in 1974.

The full text is in 'Sealion' by Richard Cox.

Of course the problem is that recent archival research has changed the parameters that would set for such an exercise today.