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ah... the human race...

Lesson for me, don't bring my FW Titan to the store.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/120434-Florida-Man-Killed-for-His-Magic-Cards
Very sad day when pieces of flimsy cardboard are worth more than a mans life.

Not to discount the tragedy, but people are killed every day for what in another world we might call garbage.

An example of such would be carbon-bearing materials put under high pressure and tempatures over thousands of years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_diamond

No Blood for Magic!

 labmouse42 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/120434-Florida-Man-Killed-for-His-Magic-Cards
Very sad day when pieces of flimsy cardboard are worth more than a mans life.

Not to discount the tragedy, but people are killed every day for what in another world we might call garbage.

An example of such would be carbon-bearing materials put under high pressure and tempatures over thousands of years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_diamond

True... we had two cases recently of folks being killed over a bag of cheetos...

 labmouse42 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/120434-Florida-Man-Killed-for-His-Magic-Cards
Very sad day when pieces of flimsy cardboard are worth more than a mans life.

Not to discount the tragedy, but people are killed every day for what in another world we might call garbage.

An example of such would be carbon-bearing materials put under high pressure and tempatures over thousands of years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_diamond

I may sound like a dick here but we have no control over the blood diamond killings, we do over these, it's a mess-up in our system that allowed him to die.

also it's always more tragic when it's in your country cos it could then happen to you. It's highly unlikely I'll die over the blood diamonds but someone could kill me over my thousands of pounds of war hammer and trading cards.

Just to let you guys know, the most expensive Magic Card is a foil Black Lotus signed by the creator of magic, which is worth about 80 000 dollars last I checked.

for 2 reasons, the fact that a man was killed over MTG cards and second because those cards are worth such stupid amounts of money

 DPBellathrom wrote:


for 2 reasons, the fact that a man was killed over MTG cards and second because those cards are worth such stupid amounts of money

I hear on Mars MTG cards are pretty much worthless. Could be worth a shot.

Well, somebody has to bring religion in...so I'll do it!!
I grew up with a guy who got my group into Magic, and we had a 4th edition starter game for his birthday (I already played, due to my uncle, but everyone else was new). The next month was my birthday, and I did the same, getting a HUGE amount of cards for my birthday, and passing them out to all the friends who came. One guy got an awesome deck, full of land destruction and control-your opponent could do things, but he'd suffer for every action. He brought it home, and his overly-religious parents immediately confiscated it, saying it was the Devil's game, and he wasn't permitted to play. I was also not allowed to have the cards back-they destroyed them. Freaking Baptists, man....

You. Are. Joking.

$10000 for a piece of cardboard with a flower on it? And people killed him for it?

The sooner someone discovers a way to get to the anime dimension so I can escape this excuse for a world the better.

IIRC, that chap played magic in the same store I play 40k in. I remember when this was in the local news and my mom tried to dissuade me from going back because of it.

I don't know what's worse, that he was murdered for his cards, or that he will be remembered mostly as 'a pillar of the Magic community'.

Probably the pillar thing.

The top graded BL is up for 100k on eBay. lols

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-MAGICTHE-GATHERING-BETA-BLACK-LOTUS-BGS-10-THE-HIGHEST-GRADED-/310327005845?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item4840ee5295

 nomsheep wrote:

 labmouse42 wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/120434-Florida-Man-Killed-for-His-Magic-Cards
Very sad day when pieces of flimsy cardboard are worth more than a mans life.

Not to discount the tragedy, but people are killed every day for what in another world we might call garbage.

An example of such would be carbon-bearing materials put under high pressure and tempatures over thousands of years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_diamond

I may sound like a dick here but we have no control over the blood diamond killings, we do over these, it's a mess-up in our system that allowed him to die.

also it's always more tragic when it's in your country cos it could then happen to you. It's highly unlikely I'll die over the blood diamonds but someone could kill me over my thousands of pounds of war hammer and trading cards.

"Wow, thats a fortune in cards."
"Yep, but nothing to what I've spent in my other hobby - tactical shooting. I tell you there's nothing like the thrill of just blasting away. "
"Ok, we're going to just go away now."

Alternatively:
"yea, but thats ok. Thats why I carry this giant knife and practice every night. I tell you, I'm just hoping someone tries to steal my cards - I'll gut 'em like a fish."

Am I sitting a gold mine? I have the first series with all the starter pokemon shiny, like Charizard venasaur ect. I have the full set bar two...

What! charizard for 2,500 smackaroos. *gets his pokemon collection*

*YAY*

and it;s mint as well.

On that topic, I do have a mega poke of yu-gi-oh cards I have been trying to get rid of.....

 nomsheep wrote:


charizard worth $2500?! who do I sell these to?

Idiots with more money than sense.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
I don't know what's worse, that he was murdered for his cards, or that he will be remembered mostly as 'a pillar of the Magic community'.

You shouldn't make tragedy so hilarious.

People assign arbitrary value to goods, and then kill each other for them. It's what we do to pass the time in between the (now rather rare) times in which we have to kill each other simply to survive.

Bran Dawri wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
They were $4k, much more now. They're known as the most valuable MTG card.

Blue Hurricane is worth more, I think.

Not even close.

AustonT wrote:What I really wonder is WHO pays hundreds or thousands of dollars for a game piece. Is there some kind of MTG pro league?

A different version of the same type of person that pays hundred or thousands of dollars for sports memorabilia.

Kovnik Obama wrote:I don't know what's worse, that he was murdered for his cards, or that he will be remembered mostly as 'a pillar of the Magic community'.

Probably the pillar thing.

I disagree. Nothing wrong with being remembered as being someone that was a great guy by whatever community they were involved in. And the irony of the location of your post is not lost on me, either.

All sorts of things are worth money. Some people appear to sneer at the value some magic cards get, but there are baseball and cigarette cards that are worth the same and you can't even play a game with those. There are comic books worth more than a Black Lotus, even worth many times more than this murdered man's entire MtG collection.

Things are worth what people are willing to pay for them, it doesn't matter what they are, it doesn't matter if you can't understand the value other people put on things. But when there are things worth a lot of money, there will always be people seeking to steal and kill to get that money.

While totally abhorent I treat the man who killed the owner of the cards as any other murderer killing for gain. I hope he gets caught and has a long long time in prison.
But I don't consider him 'dumb' any more than any other criminal out for high value goods. It would have been 'nicer' if the little fether had just burgled the cards, but no, he had to shed blood over them.

If the card are worth so much money on the open market then flaunting them is like flaunting diamonds or large stashes of high denomination bills. Its not the victims fault, but the victim needs to be aware of what happens when items of exceptional value are shown around.

I once had a collection in thr early 90's with a full set of five Mox cards, and sold them long ago. The game has no hold on me. What gets me is that the Magic the Gathering card sets are just ordinary cards, no special security on them. I am surprised that no-one has thought to mass counterfeit them yet. I would lose no sleep over buying a custom printed deck of Magic cards from China, its the only way I would buy into the game frankly, and if it was known that indetectable copies of early rare cards were on the market, the market value problem would disappear like mist in bright sunlight. Tradeable cards are a bs industry of artificial rarity attributed to very commonplace and inexpensive objects, I would cheer if someone setup a print with counterfeit cards and stuck The Finger straight back at them.

Tradeable cards are a bs industry of artificial rarity attributed to very commonplace and inexpensive objects, I would cheer if someone setup a print with counterfeit cards and stuck The Finger straight back at them.

I'm sure you feel the same about every collectible industry while also totally ok with piracy (which is the same deal as what you suggest).

First off, the title ahould corrected to "Florida man kills to steal Magic cards."

Second, wherebis the moral outrage over the lengths someone will go to obtain a collection.

Like when GW produce low numbers of figures and then charge top whack for them? *cough* FW Angron.

At least with things like Magic you are guaranteed a rare in every pack and the rares are printed in equal numbers. When buying a pack you have as much chance of getting one rare as you are another, irrespective of their usefulness in the game or value within the community.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Kovnik Obama wrote:I don't know what's worse, that he was murdered for his cards, or that he will be remembered mostly as 'a pillar of the Magic community'.

Probably the pillar thing.

I disagree. Nothing wrong with being remembered as being someone that was a great guy by whatever community they were involved in.

Some occupations only have worth in the eyes of those that participate in them. Spending such a great amount of time and ressources on such occupations is usually considered foolish by most sane members of society.

And the irony of the location of your post is not lost on me, either.

I would not admire anyone who'se spent what amounts to a few people's retirement amount on 40K, regardless of the esteems he's held at by the 40k community, or the level of implication they have in their community. On top of things, you would know, if you knew me, that I usually am principally interested by games that have a relatively low initial cost.


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 Orlanth wrote:
While totally abhorent I treat the man who killed the owner of the cards as any other murderer killing for gain. I hope he gets caught and has a long long time in prison.

He (they, 2 brothers) got caught trying to get rid of the body.

Kovnik Obama wrote:I would not admire anyone who'se spent what amounts to a few people's retirement amount on 40K, regardless of the esteems he's held at by the 40k community, or the level of implication they have in their community. On top of things, you would know, if you knew me, that I usually am principally interested by games that have a relatively low initial cost.

You are aware that you are posting down in the basement of a Warhammer forum, right?

Also, for all we know, he might've simply spent a 'regular amount' on M:tG, and simply was a longtime gamer like myself. I have many cards boxed up somewhere, each in excess of $50, but that does not mean that I paid the current price for them.

 azazel the cat wrote:
You are aware that you are posting down in the basement of a Warhammer forum, right?

a) This is the only website I have access to from work
b) This is the only place on said forum were we're not constantly arguing about the worth of a land raider or wether or not Marines still have their schlong
c) My friends have all received the notes that on the event of my death, the first one to erase my browsing history gets to keep my gaming miniatures. Two birds, one stone, you know...

Also, for all we know, he might've simply spent a 'regular amount' on M:tG, and simply was a longtime gamer like myself. I have many cards boxed up somewhere, each in excess of $50, but that does not mean that I paid the current price for them.

Possibly. Look, I made a joke about the insecurities of modern Magic gamers, I'm sorry if that might have stroke a sensitive chord, but it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, you know, being a joke.

Kovnik Obama wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
You are aware that you are posting down in the basement of a Warhammer forum, right?

a) This is the only website I have access to from work

Your work sounds strange

Kovnik Obama wrote:b) This is the only place on said forum were we're not constantly arguing about the worth of a land raider or wether or not Marines still have their schlong

A fair point.

Kovnik Obama wrote:c) My friends have all received the notes that on the event of my death, the first one to erase my browsing history gets to keep my gaming miniatures. Two birds, one stone, you know...

Why do I get the impression that has little to do with wargaming...

Kovnik Obama wrote:

azazelthecat wrote:Also, for all we know, he might've simply spent a 'regular amount' on M:tG, and simply was a longtime gamer like myself. I have many cards boxed up somewhere, each in excess of $50, but that does not mean that I paid the current price for them.

Possibly. Look, I made a joke about the insecurities of modern Magic gamers, I'm sorry if that might have stroke a sensitive chord, but it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, you know, being a joke.

Not taken seriously at all. I just saw some low-hanging fruit and decided to hassle ya.