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Thanks for coming on here to address the points I raised. They look good in a unit; as I said I think they're great models overall.

I can ignore the tail issue for the reasons you've stated, though if I were using them myself I'd maybe have to convert them.

I'd probably swap the weapons out. When I described them as "soft", I meant that the hard edges of the weapons aren't really crisp. Look at the edges of the club of that guy on the right and I don't think they even look that straight.

Additionally, the sculpting on the weapons simply isn't as good as on the models themselves. The handles are okay, but the business ends of the axe and the club just don't look well-made and they look especially bad when compared with the rest of the model (the mace looks decent though).

To be more specific, the parts I don't like are the teeth on the axe (too large), the thickness of the axe-head (too thick), the gold trim on both the axe and the club (too wide, not very straight in places, rounded edges in parts, generally not "refined" enough IMO), and finally (to be very picky) the helical section of the axe shaft is probably thicker than it ought to be and has a few imperfections.

Long ago, back in the gloom of the 40's Ford offered a car in any color you'd like, as long as it was black. flash forward to the eighties, cars were in abundance in most garish colors you could perceive, and still producers didn't listen to consumers, the nineties was the golden age where companies reinvented themselves to cater anything to consumers and there were also a few lights in the darkness who even listened to the consumer.

the new millenium hit and the cluetrain manifesto became the dejour bible for most savvy marketing advisors and companies started to realise that it was integral to core business that they in fact listen to the consumer.

and now, we're on a forum, or rather a subforum of news, where a producer of third party products for wargaming is actually partaking in the discussion, there's a conversation about the products, no middle management, no middlehand, no conversation-per-pressrelease but an honest to god human conversation with all what that entails.

eponysterical!

 xcasex wrote:
the new millenium hit and the cluetrain manifesto became the dejour bible for most savvy marketing advisors and companies started to realise that it was integral to core business that they in fact listen to the consumer.

and now, we're on a forum, or rather a subforum of news, where a producer of third party products for wargaming is actually partaking in the discussion, there's a conversation about the products, no middle management, no middlehand, no conversation-per-pressrelease but an honest to god human conversation with all what that entails.

And then there is Games Workshop
BTW you are thinking of the Ford T in the period 1914-1926. Ford A and successors (and Ford T 1908-1914) were also produced in other colours.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 xcasex wrote:
the new millenium hit and the cluetrain manifesto became the dejour bible for most savvy marketing advisors and companies started to realise that it was integral to core business that they in fact listen to the consumer.

and now, we're on a forum, or rather a subforum of news, where a producer of third party products for wargaming is actually partaking in the discussion, there's a conversation about the products, no middle management, no middlehand, no conversation-per-pressrelease but an honest to god human conversation with all what that entails.

And then there is Games Workshop
BTW you are thinking of the Ford T in the period 1914-1926. Ford A and successors (and Ford T 1908-1914) were also produced in other colours.

Ah yes, you're right!

Thanks for clarifying angryboy2k. The teeth on the axe are large to fit in next to the teeth on the axes and other weapons that the GW krox wield. They weapons are oversized in many respects, and crude on purpose because these are supposed to be crude beasties, spawned for their brawn and not their brains. I imagine the weapons themselves take a fair amount of abuse too, bashing into steam tanks and armored chaos warriors and such all the time

One thing I have to bring up here is that I painted these myself and may not be the world's finest painter. In the case of the gold, my usual practice is to paint in shining gold and then wash/weather with brown ink in irregular blotches. I personally like this tarnished, well used look, but it is probably making the weapons look more irregular than they are in the painted photos.

Since we're dissecting/scrutinizing these in such detail, I think it's only fair for me to post photos I took of the minis before I painted them. I'm posting nice big photos so you can really see the details. At this magnification, every small flaw is really going to stand out. I venture to state that most GW minis would not hold up very well at this magnification:

Here is the first one, with his Axe, from several views:





And here is the other one, with his Club, likewise viewed from all sides:


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Note, while these models are finely cast, I have remover the mold lines and filled any gaps filled with putty, as any decent modeler should do with any resin miniature. It's worth adding too that the resin that CHS has used on these is of a very high quality - it is quite dense and smooth and was almost like injected plastic. I was very pleased with the results.

Protractors and microscopes aside, as both the artist who made these and as a miniature gamer and collector for over 30 years (going back to the little lumps of lead we were happy to own for D&D in the 1970's), my 2 cents is that you should try to appreciate the overall look and feel of these miniatures and not get lost in the minutiae of whether or not a particular line is perfect enough, or curve is 100% anatomically accurate or logical. FWIW, I feel I've breathed life into these guys. They look nasty, evil and like they are having a grand old time smashing stuff into a bloody pulp! What more do you want from Crocodillian Ogres?

If I can have a 3rd cent to toss into the ring, I'd also say (not directed to angryboy2k, btw) that it's quite obvious that some people conflate their critiques with their feelings about the GW v. CHS lawsuit. Certainly there are other threads available for such spleen venting. I think some of the comments have been rather unfair. These are not "replacement" minis and certainly not copies or knock-offs. Indeed, I think it's fair to assume that GW has no problem with them - certainly with a lawsuit in progress, GW is scrutinizing everything CHS does. FWIW, I made these minis not to replace GW's minis but rather to sit side by side with the existing models, and look like a missing link or alternative species of large bipedal anthropomorphic lizard. In the end, try to remember that I am just a gamer like the rest of you. I taught myself to sculpt out of sheer love for the hobby, and sold the reproduction rights to these because over the course of publishing WIP photos on several WH-related forums, I received very enthusiastic reviews of my work and dozens (literally) of pleas to make these available for purchase (the GW 7th ed. Kroxigors being some of the least liked of the entire current GW Lizardman range). Enjoy them, buy them, or move along...