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 Tadashi wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:


Just like Psykers manipulate Warp Energy, they can manipulate Negative Warp Energy.

Didn't they twist their targets' powers against them or something?

EDIT: Found it...that mask-helmet of theirs, the Animus Speculum, utilizes the Culexus' void to drain psychic energy in the surrounding area and fires it in massive energy blasts capable of brain-frying and soul-destroying anything that's caught in the AoE. Furthermore, the more psykers in the area, the more powerful it becomes. And then there's the Etherium, a device that distorts and confuses nearby enemies (psychic or not) which together with the Culexus' void renders him virtually undetectable.

So it's not actually null void, but the available psychic energy from the circuit would overpower it more than Matt Ward with a Gray Knight company?

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Tadashi wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:


Just like Psykers manipulate Warp Energy, they can manipulate Negative Warp Energy.

Didn't they twist their targets' powers against them or something?

EDIT: Found it...that mask-helmet of theirs, the Animus Speculum, utilizes the Culexus' void to drain psychic energy in the surrounding area and fires it in massive energy blasts capable of brain-frying and soul-destroying anything that's caught in the AoE. Furthermore, the more psykers in the area, the more powerful it becomes. And then there's the Etherium, a device that distorts and confuses nearby enemies (psychic or not) which together with the Culexus' void renders him virtually undetectable.

So it's not actually null void, but the available psychic energy from the circuit would overpower it more than Matt Ward with a Gray Knight company?

I have no idea what you mean - as I understand it, the Animus Speculum would simply drain the psychic energy of the Craftworld and use that same energy to destroy the souls in the Infinity Circuit core. And since Wraithbone is basically crystallized psychic energy, I wouldn't be surprised if the Animus Speculum breaks down Wraithbone integrity, converting and devouring it as energy, ala Letzt Stil:



I wouldn't be surprised to see Wraithbone breaking apart and turning to energy in a similar fashion only to be absorbed into the Animus Speculum and turned against its former masters.

assuming the IoM dont want to lose culexus assasins to go on suicide missions because suceeding to destroy the craftworld kill them too they'd rather send them after daemon spawn

SkyD wrote:

Just the same I would guess if any Imperial units tried, The Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus would shoot down any attempt. Without the Eldar's help, the Malleus and Grey Knights will struggle in their purpose.

If the Ordo Xenos successfully petitions the High Lords of Terra to deploy Culexii to nuke a Craftworld, there's little the Ordo Malleus can do to stop it. Aliens aren't their jurisdiction - they'll end up arguing legal semantics and by the time they'd finish the Culexii would be infiltrating and destroying their target.

And Malleus will work with Eldar to achieve their goal, they have the Black Library of Chaos and the only being immune to the taint of Chaos.

The Emperor, the Grey Knights, the Sisters of Silence, and the Illuminati are also immune to Chaos. If I were an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor, I'd tell the Ordo Xenos to do what needs be done as they see the situation - we have no need for the Eldar or their so-called 'White Seer' witches.

 Tadashi wrote:

SkyD wrote:

Just the same I would guess if any Imperial units tried, The Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus would shoot down any attempt. Without the Eldar's help, the Malleus and Grey Knights will struggle in their purpose.

If the Ordo Xenos successfully petitions the High Lords of Terra to deploy Culexii to nuke a Craftworld, there's little the Ordo Malleus can do to stop it. Aliens aren't their jurisdiction - they'll end up arguing legal semantics and by the time they'd finish the Culexii would be infiltrating and destroying their target.

And Malleus will work with Eldar to achieve their goal, they have the Black Library of Chaos and the only being immune to the taint of Chaos.

The Emperor, the Grey Knights, the Sisters of Silence, and the Illuminati are also immune to Chaos. If I were an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor, I'd tell the Ordo Xenos to do what needs be done as they see the situation - we have no need for the Eldar or their so-called 'White Seer' witches.

Plus last I checked the White Seers were associated with the Black Library rather than any Craftworld.

It's a little more of a problem of whether the delivery system is possible; the Imperium doesn't exactly have the capacity to sneak up on Eldar, and the Eldar probably keep a pretty close eye on what ships approach any Craftworld so they can explode threats before they land, plus the problem of finding a Craftworld in the first place (without access to the Webway, they're kind of difficult to locate).

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Tadashi wrote:

SkyD wrote:

Just the same I would guess if any Imperial units tried, The Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus would shoot down any attempt. Without the Eldar's help, the Malleus and Grey Knights will struggle in their purpose.

If the Ordo Xenos successfully petitions the High Lords of Terra to deploy Culexii to nuke a Craftworld, there's little the Ordo Malleus can do to stop it. Aliens aren't their jurisdiction - they'll end up arguing legal semantics and by the time they'd finish the Culexii would be infiltrating and destroying their target.

And Malleus will work with Eldar to achieve their goal, they have the Black Library of Chaos and the only being immune to the taint of Chaos.

The Emperor, the Grey Knights, the Sisters of Silence, and the Illuminati are also immune to Chaos. If I were an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor, I'd tell the Ordo Xenos to do what needs be done as they see the situation - we have no need for the Eldar or their so-called 'White Seer' witches.

Plus last I checked the White Seers were associated with the Black Library rather than any Craftworld.

It's a little more of a problem of whether the delivery system is possible; the Imperium doesn't exactly have the capacity to sneak up on Eldar, and the Eldar probably keep a pretty close eye on what ships approach any Craftworld so they can explode threats before they land, plus the problem of finding a Craftworld in the first place (without access to the Webway, they're kind of difficult to locate).

If the nulls can't be detected psychically, than several of them on a small ship would completely invisible psychically. Because space is so massive, a small ship would be completely invisible. The only time it could be spotted would be when it was within several miles, which is a distance that could be closed in only a minute for a futuristic spacecraft.

They would probably launch a small boarding pod that wouldn't be detected till it was too late. At which point the Assassin is already aboard the craftworld and the eldar are simply looking for a stowaway they can't detect.

They wouldn't even be able to divine the target, only that something bad is going to happen.

You do realize that not every defense system on a craftworld is phsycic? There are many physical batteries that get manned by guardians. And also, there are all kinds of sensors pointing out to space to make sure nothing sneaks up on them. Any Farseer worth his salt would be able to see the infinity circuit getting destroyed and take measures to prevent it, even if they didn't know who did it

 fleet of claw wrote:
You do realize that not every defense system on a craftworld is phsycic? There are many physical batteries that get manned by guardians. And also, there are all kinds of sensors pointing out to space to make sure nothing sneaks up on them. Any Farseer worth his salt would be able to see the infinity circuit getting destroyed and take measures to prevent it, even if they didn't know who did it

And you do realize that the Officio Assassinorum is probably even better equipped/trained for infiltration than any other organization in the galaxy, right?

Before I go in on a tangent, I am actually going to try and answer the original post. If a Pariah managed to connect with the infinity circuit, something bad would happen. Chances are high that it would be a really spectacular explosion. Chances are decent, that in the event it hits the core of the infinity circuit, there probably won't be a craftworld anymore. Chances are high, in the case of that event, you'd probably wind up looking at warp storm that would make the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath look like a vactation spot.

Now, onto the tangent.

Lets discuss the logistics of both sides.

Your talking about the most dangerous organization the imperium of man has to offer, along with a group of the most valuable people in the galaxy. The imperium of man has the technology to make a small, single man pod that could potentially become invisible to sensors, but not to the human eye. These pariahs have access to equipement designed to mask their tell tale signal so they can move around stealthily, from a warp point of view. These pariahs also have the potential to be well trained to avoid detection from a human eye, and also have potential access to modified eldar technology salvaged and refitted to disguise them. These Pariahs also have access to powers that grow in the company of psykers, increasing the damage tenfold. Also, these pariahs would also have the potential of understanding brief security routines for eldar civilized areas.

Now, onto the Eldar. The eldar have access to powerful psykers that can see into the future in cases of danger. The eldar have home field advantage, and have the potential of security measures surrounding the infinity circuit that the imperium has no knowledge of. Also, home field advantage grants them a large number of eldar bodies in the area, making concealment difficult for any operative. Also, craftworlds are difficult to locate, being especially well hidden, and also having the ability to move their position, if I recall correctly.

So, after having listed this, I think that the possibility of a pariah managing to make it to the infinity circuit is incredibly difficult, but potentially not impossible. Looking at the resources required for both sides, the Imperium has the most to lose and win in this scenario. In the event of failure, they will have wasted precious resources and a powerful tool in their wars across the galaxy. In the event that a pariah would succeed in reaching either objective, they would most assuredly be killing, costing the imperium this precious individual. However, they would have destroyed a powerful military point for an enemy, demoralizing them, while also potentially invoking harsh reprisals.

@Unyielding Hunger

The Eldar can't strike back at the Culexus Temple - the Alaitocii already know destroying it would bring about their own destruction, and maybe other Craftworlds as well. Not sure if the other Craftworlds know about it, but if not, then I'm sure that if a Craftworld was destroyed by a Culexus, and another Craftworld attempted to destroy the Culexus Temple as retribution, Alaitoc would probably intervene in the Imperium's favor. They would see that while the Culexus deserve to be destroyed for what they did, the resulting chain reaction would make sparing the Culexus a lesser evil.

I think the Eldar would know that something was amiss, like has been said they are all psychic and the effects of having a Pariah, even a single one, would not necessarily be seen by the Eldar, but most certainly felt. Whether the Eldar could prevent the Assassin from doing any significant damage to the Infinity Circuit, I don't know. In Daemonifuge a Culexus is literally obliterated by a psychic blast from Sister Stern. There seems, like has also be posted before, to be varying levels of capability. Perhaps the Infinity Circuit could overload the Culexus much like Stern did?

On the Speculum, so it actually draws psychic power from around it and then fires it out as a beam, a bit like Goku's spirit bomb? Without the Speculum does the Psychic energy just get sucked into the void created by the Pariah? They touched on this in Nemesis, but some of it was confusing.

I'm pretty sure the Culexus are trained to suppress their aura, and the Animus Speculum also helps in that regard, so their targets and any allied psykers don't get alerted/alarmed by their presence.

 Melissia wrote:
I don't think they're actually invisible to psykers, at least, not one with a good level of warp sense.

Culexis assassins are basically the alpha plus version of blanks.

From what I understand, the only confirmed Omega Minus Pariah is in Atlas Infernal, and is so powerful it can nearly give Ahriman a seizure a star system away, and killed Grey Knights with its presence alone.

 Tadashi wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Culexus are trained to suppress their aura, and the Animus Speculum also helps in that regard, so their targets and any allied psykers don't get alerted/alarmed by their presence.

Not entirely sure if that is the case, the codex seems to suggest that they use their presence as a weapon turning

... the slight distrust that a Pariah causes in the people nearby into the nauseous , head spinning effect which is the trademark of the Culexus

So I don't believe they can turn off the affect they have on Psykers.

The Etherium does give off a confusion aura of sorts, so maybe it masks the discomfort as just exhaustion/confusion?

 Tadashi wrote:
The Etherium does give off a confusion aura of sorts, so maybe it masks the discomfort as just exhaustion/confusion?

I don't think it would be enough to mask the presence of a blank amongst a craftworld of psykers though. You might be right, but I think that the Eldar would know that something was wrong.

Wraith bone is made from spun warp essence isn't it, or is that old now, if a Pariah was walking past wraithbone wouldn't that just go mushy? I can imagine a Pariah walking around on a Craftoworld and having bits of wraithbone sucked into it until the craftworld ends up in side of it.

Lol

But doesn't the Animus keep his powers in check until he needs to use it, at which point the Animus' 'eye' opens?

 Tadashi wrote:
Lol

But doesn't the Animus keep his powers in check until he needs to use it, at which point the Animus' 'eye' opens?

The whole Pariah aura isn't something that he can switch off and on. it's always there. The Animus is just a tool to enhance the ability and to be able to turn it into a blast.

If the Pariah didn't have the Animus I think the power just gets absorbed and sucked into the void.

I would think breaking down Wraithbone requires a lot of concentration/talent and full use of the Animus - hardly something they would do until they reach the objective: the Infinity Circuit core.

 Tadashi wrote:
I would think breaking down Wraithbone requires a lot of concentration/talent and full use of the Animus - hardly something they would do until they reach the objective: the Infinity Circuit core.

I dunno, what effect do Pariahs have on Daemons? They don't seem to be able to get near blanks because of them and if Wraithbone is made up of warp stuff, wouldn't the effect be the same in a way? The difference is that Wraithbone cant run away.

Well, daemons don't dissolve when blanks/pariahs get close, just weaker and VERY alarmed. At least, that's what happens when Jurgen gets close. Do you know of any other example of a blank/pariah getting close to a Daemon outside of Jurgen? Sorry, but he's the only one whose effect on Daemons I've read about.

 Tadashi wrote:
Well, daemons don't dissolve when blanks/pariahs get close, just weaker and VERY alarmed. At least, that's what happens when Jurgen gets close. Do you know of any other example of a blank/pariah getting close to a Daemon outside of Jurgen? Sorry, but he's the only one whose effect on Daemons I've read about.

Well, exactly in a way, would they have the same affect on Wraithbone, It might not disappear as such but would whats holding it together get weaker? I can imagine it being like an ice cube in warm water, it would eventually return back to the warp maybe,

Cherubael in Eisenhorn can't get close to Bequin and Eisenhorn, i'm not sure of others, what happened to the Vacant Angel in Outcast Dead, did the Pariah sort that out or was it killed by shear weight of fire?

Haven't read The Outcast Dead yet, so I can't help you there. Regarding Wraithbone, if it was a functioning device, it'd probably short out/shut down. Otherwise, probably no effect, unless they have something to amplify the void effect.

 Tadashi wrote:
Haven't read The Outcast Dead yet, so I can't help you there. Regarding Wraithbone, if it was a functioning device, it'd probably short out/shut down. Otherwise, probably no effect, unless they have something to amplify the void effect.

Regardez s'il vous plait

A spirit stone is a tool which allows a Bonesinger to draw raw energy from the warp and shape it into matter. The matter created in this way is called Wraithbone, and it can be psychically teased and manipulated by the Bonesinger into almost any form he wishes. Wraithbone is extremely tough and resilient. It forms the backbone of spacecraft and large structures as well as countless smaller items. Nor is Wraithbone used only for utilitarian artefacts like spacecraft, it is also used to create sculptural works of art.

Because Wraithbone is a solidified form of warp energy it has several special properties. It never really loses its physical connection to the warp, so that in a sense part of it remains in the warp at all times. As a result Wraithbone can channel psychic energy much as an electric cable carries current. At the same time it also contains psychic forces and can shield the forces it contains from other psychic energy.

If this is still the case a Pariah on Craftworld would be like an Atom Bomb

Hopefully, the Animus can suppress the effect long enough for the Culexii to get to the Infinity Circuit core where he can blow the whole thing into the Warp.

 Tadashi wrote:
Hopefully, the Animus can suppress the effect long enough for the Culexii to get to the Infinity Circuit core where he can blow the whole thing into the Warp.

Would it even need to though, if everything on a Craftword is psychic, it could just land any where, draw it in and blast it out. Or just suck it in to the void, it would risk over loading itself I guess but it could be devastating.

In the Ravenor series, Frauka spends time around the rest of the team who all have wraithbone, and they can function when they leave his company/he turns his limiter on without having to get new wraithbone pendants.

If that helps

 motyak wrote:
In the Ravenor series, Frauka spends time around the rest of the team who all have wraithbone, and they can function when they leave his company/he turns his limiter on without having to get new wraithbone pendants.

If that helps

Thanks, I haven't read Ravenor yet.

Could you give a bit more detail please? Who's Frauka and who are the team and why do they have Wraithbone? Perhaps with spoilers please

Ah, sorry. None of it is important, so no need for spoilers don't worry. I won't tell you that ____ kills ____ in the _____ with the ____.

Anyway, Frauka, he's an untouchable who is part of his warband (for lack of a better word). The rest of the team wear wraithbone pendants so that Ravenor, a powerful psyker, can basically 'possess' them, if you know Warmachine think of it kind of as an Arc Node, it helps him strengthen his psychic presence in the area even when he is so far away he would normally be weaker.

The team is made up of a few specialists (fighters, an acrobat, who they are isn't really important) who wear these pendants, and despite the amount of time they spend around Frauka with his limiter off (the thing which controls his untouchable bubble) their wraithbone pendants are fine as soon as they step out of his bubble/he activates the limiter.

Hope that helps.

And OT: And if you like Eisenhorn, Ravenor is well worth a look.