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 motyak wrote:
Ah, sorry. None of it is important, so no need for spoilers don't worry. I won't tell you that ____ kills ____ in the _____ with the ____.

Anyway, Frauka, he's an untouchable who is part of his warband (for lack of a better word). The rest of the team wear wraithbone pendants so that Ravenor, a powerful psyker, can basically 'possess' them, if you know Warmachine think of it kind of as an Arc Node, it helps him strengthen his psychic presence in the area even when he is so far away he would normally be weaker.

The team is made up of a few specialists (fighters, an acrobat, who they are isn't really important) who wear these pendants, and despite the amount of time they spend around Frauka with his limiter off (the thing which controls his untouchable bubble) their wraithbone pendants are fine as soon as they step out of his bubble/he activates the limiter.

Hope that helps.

And OT: And if you like Eisenhorn, Ravenor is well worth a look.

Interesting, thank you, that description of the specialists made me think of the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon, Ranger, Barbarian, acrobat

So Frauka can restrict his aura with the limiter?

I've tried to get into Ravenor, I just haven't been able to. It's like it's just not Eisenhorn but wants to be. I will get around to it though.

 Pilau Rice wrote:

So Frauka can restrict his aura with the limiter?

I've tried to get into Ravenor, I just haven't been able to. It's like it's just not Eisenhorn but wants to be. I will get around to it though.

Yeah, with a flick of a switch he can limit it to within his person, or a bubble (I don't think they really define the distance, but my assumption is about 10, 20 metres).

More OT stuff; And that is one of the difficulties of reading books with characters from previous works, or by someone who's earlier stuff you love, it is hard to not judge them in light of what you've already seen. Like the Newsroom. I had to remind myself before each ep 'this isn't The West Wing, don't expect The West Wing, it is it's own show'. My dad couldn't get over it and ended up bailing mid series, I stuck it out and really like it. But I should stop with the OT stuff and stop telling you what to read ha.

 motyak wrote:


Yeah, with a flick of a switch he can limit it to within his person, or a bubble (I don't think they really define the distance, but my assumption is about 10, 20 metres).

So does it have any adverse affect on the Wraithbone what so ever should that be outside of the bubble or Faulka is in full Pariah mode.

 motyak wrote:
More OT stuff; And that is one of the difficulties of reading books with characters from previous works, or by someone who's earlier stuff you love, it is hard to not judge them in light of what you've already seen. Like the Newsroom. I had to remind myself before each ep 'this isn't The West Wing, don't expect The West Wing, it is it's own show'. My dad couldn't get over it and ended up bailing mid series, I stuck it out and really like it. But I should stop with the OT stuff and stop telling you what to read ha.

It's not so much a case of that, I think it's because I don't like Ravenor, I didn't much like his character in Eisenhorn. I think his whole incarceration in his bubble and it making him more powerful ruined it a bit for me. I think if his life was a proper struggle and he still made it as an Inquisitor I would like it more. Maybe that is the case and I just haven't read enough of it yet.

You're not telling me, you are making firm suggestions

 Pilau Rice wrote:


So does it have any adverse affect on the Wraithbone what so ever should that be outside of the bubble or Faulka is in full Pariah mode.

Nil adverse effects. They can spend a month sitting beside him on a ship, but when he pops his limiter on they are immediately working again.

 motyak wrote:

 Pilau Rice wrote:


So does it have any adverse affect on the Wraithbone what so ever should that be outside of the bubble or Faulka is in full Pariah mode.

Nil adverse effects. They can spend a month sitting beside him on a ship, but when he pops his limiter on they are immediately working again.

Hmm, so they don't work properly when he hasn't got his limiter on? I'm probably reading wrong.

Well they are used by ravenor to boost his psychic powers, so they don't work when the limiter is off because nothing psychic works within an untouchable's bubble.

When the limiter is on, Frauka may as well not be an untouchable, meaning that they do work.

edit: now that I think, it may be more that the psychic powers don't work, not so much that the wraithbone doesn't work. It could be just that he can't use his psychic powers...I may have led you completely down the wrong track, sorry.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
From what I understand, the only confirmed Omega Minus Pariah is in Atlas Infernal, and is so powerful it can nearly give Ahriman a seizure a star system away, and killed Grey Knights with its presence alone.

Is warp travel even possible for somebody like this?
I guess warp travel safe for Pariahs, right? But wouldn't somebody like that completely destabilize it around him?

 Macok wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
From what I understand, the only confirmed Omega Minus Pariah is in Atlas Infernal, and is so powerful it can nearly give Ahriman a seizure a star system away, and killed Grey Knights with its presence alone.

Is warp travel even possible for somebody like this?
I guess warp travel safe for Pariahs, right? But wouldn't somebody like that completely destabilize it around him?

Someone else who thinks like me! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/402573.page don't post in it because its old and I hate having threads locked, but is that what you mean by 'destabilise'? Is that the kind of thing they could do, do you reckon?

 Tadashi wrote:
@Unyielding Hunger

The Eldar can't strike back at the Culexus Temple - the Alaitocii already know destroying it would bring about their own destruction, and maybe other Craftworlds as well. Not sure if the other Craftworlds know about it, but if not, then I'm sure that if a Craftworld was destroyed by a Culexus, and another Craftworld attempted to destroy the Culexus Temple as retribution, Alaitoc would probably intervene in the Imperium's favor. They would see that while the Culexus deserve to be destroyed for what they did, the resulting chain reaction would make sparing the Culexus a lesser evil.

They don't have to attack the temple. As I recall, humanity has an insane number of colonies. It's not unlikely that they would go on a spree killing colonies and military targets.

 motyak wrote:

 Macok wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
From what I understand, the only confirmed Omega Minus Pariah is in Atlas Infernal, and is so powerful it can nearly give Ahriman a seizure a star system away, and killed Grey Knights with its presence alone.

Is warp travel even possible for somebody like this?
I guess warp travel safe for Pariahs, right? But wouldn't somebody like that completely destabilize it around him?

Someone else who thinks like me! http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/402573.page don't post in it because its old and I hate having threads locked, but is that what you mean by 'destabilise'? Is that the kind of thing they could do, do you reckon?

It's kinda what I am getting at with the Wraithbone. if wraithbone is tied to the warp, won't it be effected in the same way.

They could do what you are saying I guess, the old Assassins codex said that where the Mechanicus used to keep and experiment on Culexi a shadow in the warp began to form, blocking out the Astronomicon. I don't know though if the shadow also created a void that you couldn't travel through.

Pariahs are not psychic. Is this really even a question?

Read anything to do with the thread, or just the title?

Wait, all this talk of destroying an Infinity Circuit core confuses me.

IIRC, the Infinity circuit itself is just a storage medium for Eldar souls. The infinity circuit itself is just a few dedicated wraithbone passageways for souls to travel about the ship. Despite this, souls can easily travel through the wraithbone constructs not dedicated to the infinity circuit (AKA the framework/hull of the craftworld). The core isn't so much of a central storage from which the souls act as it is a central point from which all other circuit passages can be reached. If the core were destroyed, Eldar souls would still be present in other parts of the ship. The only reason the Doom on Malantai was an issue was that it was consuming the souls of Eldar that weren't quite sentient after death and were just drifting through. If the infinity circuit core were destroyed, communication throughout the ship would be hampered but most of the souls (especially the aware souls) would survive. To destroy the entire infinity circuit, the craftworld itself must be completely destroyed.

As for the pariah's ability degrading wraithbone, this seems fairly plausible. This would cause trouble with them sneaking onto the ship, however. Once their abilities begin to erode the structure, Warp Spiders (the actual spiders, not the aspect warriors) would flock to the site. This alone would raise awareness of the situation and cause some parties to take action.

Hanith wrote:
As for the pariah's ability degrading wraithbone, this seems fairly plausible. This would cause trouble with them sneaking onto the ship, however. Once their abilities begin to erode the structure, Warp Spiders (the actual spiders, not the aspect warriors) would flock to the site. This alone would raise awareness of the situation and cause some parties to take action.

...Plus the fact that at least according to the Eisenhorn books psykers can tell if blanks are about and it makes them uncomfortable, and all Eldar are psychic...

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Hanith wrote:
As for the pariah's ability degrading wraithbone, this seems fairly plausible. This would cause trouble with them sneaking onto the ship, however. Once their abilities begin to erode the structure, Warp Spiders (the actual spiders, not the aspect warriors) would flock to the site. This alone would raise awareness of the situation and cause some parties to take action.

...Plus the fact that at least according to the Eisenhorn books psykers can tell if blanks are about and it makes them uncomfortable, and all Eldar are psychic...

Except the Animus Speculum completely disguises the Culexus presense.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Hanith wrote:
As for the pariah's ability degrading wraithbone, this seems fairly plausible. This would cause trouble with them sneaking onto the ship, however. Once their abilities begin to erode the structure, Warp Spiders (the actual spiders, not the aspect warriors) would flock to the site. This alone would raise awareness of the situation and cause some parties to take action.

...Plus the fact that at least according to the Eisenhorn books psykers can tell if blanks are about and it makes them uncomfortable, and all Eldar are psychic...

Except the Animus Speculum completely disguises the Culexus presense.

. . . but not the damage caused by him, which is what will be attracting the Warp Spiders and thus causing the alert. Assuming his presence doesn't damage wraithbone, there are still an unknown number of space elves with eyes walking about. Anyways, the Animus only dampens/reduces his presence, it does not eliminate it.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I don't think they're actually invisible to psykers, at least, not one with a good level of warp sense.

Culexis assassins are basically the alpha plus version of blanks.

From what I understand, the only confirmed Omega Minus Pariah is in Atlas Infernal, and is so powerful it can nearly give Ahriman a seizure a star system away, and killed Grey Knights with its presence alone.

Is this canon? That sounds pretty powerful.


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 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Tadashi wrote:
Hopefully, the Animus can suppress the effect long enough for the Culexii to get to the Infinity Circuit core where he can blow the whole thing into the Warp.

Would it even need to though, if everything on a Craftword is psychic, it could just land any where, draw it in and blast it out. Or just suck it in to the void, it would risk over loading itself I guess but it could be devastating.

Except if I wrote about that, I would draw more nerd rage than a story written by Matt Ward and C.S. Goto.

Pariahs and Blanks are different though. The Emperor was still able to use his psychic abilities if Sisters of Silence were near him, so his level would be above what they are able to cancel out. It wasn't really confirmed if the same stood for Magnus, but I assume the Daemon the Space Wolves were dealing with was also, above the level of a Sisters control, he was more powerful than Magnus.
Limiters force the aura of a blank to be reversed, so it goes inwards instead of outwards.



As for wraithbone, I would assume it has no weakness to a pariah walking on it, it would revert to a solid plastic substance in the end that can no longer conduct psychic energy through itself. I would say its ability to heal itself, have warp spiders or bonesingers repair it is nullified in the presence of a Pariah, a blank might not cancel it out though.

Yes the alpha plus blank would be canon, (Since 40k really has an all, you choose or none canon) but it would one of the Imperiums many "Do Not Use" weapons. It was created by the inquisition, being a alpha plus blank foetus, hidden inside a shielded container. Open it up and it shoots the null. But as is seen in the book, with it killing Grey Knights, it would have been deemed too dangerous for use, Much like the Angel on Karis Cephalon that the Emperor himself created, then sealed and abandoned. The Alpha Plus Blank weapon was locked up in an inquisition facility, if it fell into the hands of the wrong people the Emperor himself would be snuffed from a great distance, or planets could be cut off from the light of the Astronomicon.

I would say the location was shared to where the temple was. The Black Council was headed by Eldrad, and every Craftworld's 'head' Farseer would have sat on it. If it would mean the destruction of one Craftworld, it would be passed on to all the others. Make sure it is not attacked by your people, otherwise our people die.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I don't think they're actually invisible to psykers, at least, not one with a good level of warp sense.

Culexis assassins are basically the alpha plus version of blanks.

From what I understand, the only confirmed Omega Minus Pariah is in Atlas Infernal, and is so powerful it can nearly give Ahriman a seizure a star system away, and killed Grey Knights with its presence alone.

Is this canon? That sounds pretty powerful.


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 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Tadashi wrote:
Hopefully, the Animus can suppress the effect long enough for the Culexii to get to the Infinity Circuit core where he can blow the whole thing into the Warp.

Would it even need to though, if everything on a Craftword is psychic, it could just land any where, draw it in and blast it out. Or just suck it in to the void, it would risk over loading itself I guess but it could be devastating.

Except if I wrote about that, I would draw more nerd rage than a story written by Matt Ward and C.S. Goto.

Because it's silly. That applies to both quoted posts, by the way.

Hanith wrote:


IIRC, the Infinity circuit itself is just a storage medium for Eldar souls. The infinity circuit itself is just a few dedicated wraithbone passageways for souls to travel about the ship. Despite this, souls can easily travel through the wraithbone constructs not dedicated to the infinity circuit (AKA the framework/hull of the craftworld). The core isn't so much of a central storage from which the souls act as it is a central point from which all other circuit passages can be reached. If the core were destroyed, Eldar souls would still be present in other parts of the ship. The only reason the Doom on Malantai was an issue was that it was consuming the souls of Eldar that weren't quite sentient after death and were just drifting through. If the infinity circuit core were destroyed, communication throughout the ship would be hampered but most of the souls (especially the aware souls) would survive. To destroy the entire infinity circuit, the craftworld itself must be completely destroyed.

Actually, destroying the Infinity Circuit core would kill the whole circuit, seeing as Alaitoc centred their defense around the core during the Imperial invasion. If destroying the core wouldn't REALLY hurt the Craftworld, there'd be no reason for the Eldar to engage Imperial forces with 'Hold the Line' tactics.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I don't think they're actually invisible to psykers, at least, not one with a good level of warp sense.

Culexis assassins are basically the alpha plus version of blanks.

From what I understand, the only confirmed Omega Minus Pariah is in Atlas Infernal, and is so powerful it can nearly give Ahriman a seizure a star system away, and killed Grey Knights with its presence alone.

Is this canon? That sounds pretty powerful.


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 Pilau Rice wrote:

 Tadashi wrote:
Hopefully, the Animus can suppress the effect long enough for the Culexii to get to the Infinity Circuit core where he can blow the whole thing into the Warp.

Would it even need to though, if everything on a Craftword is psychic, it could just land any where, draw it in and blast it out. Or just suck it in to the void, it would risk over loading itself I guess but it could be devastating.

Except if I wrote about that, I would draw more nerd rage than a story written by Matt Ward and C.S. Goto.

Because it's silly. That applies to both quoted posts, by the way.

That was the point.

 Tadashi wrote:
Actually, destroying the Infinity Circuit core would kill the whole circuit, seeing as Alaitoc centred their defense around the core during the Imperial invasion. If destroying the core wouldn't REALLY hurt the Craftworld, there'd be no reason for the Eldar to engage Imperial forces with 'Hold the Line' tactics.

But disrupting communications through this central node would harm the Craftworld. It would be like taking a computer network and removing the backbone. Sure, each subnet would still function but only just so. It would effectively divide the souls of the Eldar within the circuit as well as hamper ship-wide communications. The initial destruction would also cause a number of souls to be "released" into the warp. As we all know, the Eldar are willing to go to great lengths to ensure that every single Eldar soul is safe and accounted for.

A Culexus assasin drains and phisical power from their target even if the target didn't know they had it, and then they use that power against them, but they still have their own power, i think that a Culexus can never get into the infinity circit because it has no soul.

Hanith wrote:

 Tadashi wrote:
Actually, destroying the Infinity Circuit core would kill the whole circuit, seeing as Alaitoc centred their defense around the core during the Imperial invasion. If destroying the core wouldn't REALLY hurt the Craftworld, there'd be no reason for the Eldar to engage Imperial forces with 'Hold the Line' tactics.

But disrupting communications through this central node would harm the Craftworld. It would be like taking a computer network and removing the backbone. Sure, each subnet would still function but only just so. It would effectively divide the souls of the Eldar within the circuit as well as hamper ship-wide communications. The initial destruction would also cause a number of souls to be "released" into the warp. As we all know, the Eldar are willing to go to great lengths to ensure that every single Eldar soul is safe and accounted for.

Possible, but the Eldar mind-set is such that "Hold the Line" tactics/strategies are completely below them. In that light, I simply cannot see the Infinity Circuit core as being a mere junction. It has to be much more important than that.

Wouldn't a Solitaire be the Eldar's ace (no pun intended) up their sleeve when it comes to Culexus assassins? Then again, everyone's effed when they're up against a Solitaire.

 Popenfresh wrote:
Wouldn't a Solitaire be the Eldar's ace (no pun intended) up their sleeve when it comes to Culexus assassins? Then again, everyone's effed when they're up against a Solitaire.

No idea, but they're probably even, both being immune to psychic powers, one being a Human whose only reason for existing is to kill silently and disappear without trace, and the other the epitome of the Harlequin ideal. As for being everyone getting effed when against a Solitaire, take a walk in the Warp like Draigo, and I'll consider it.

 Tadashi wrote:
As for being everyone getting effed when against a Solitaire, take a walk in the Warp like Draigo, and I'll consider it.

No fair, I wish I had horribad fluff to back up my arguments…

I'm not so sure Solitiares are something the harlies aspire to though. Their creation is an accident after all and they're shunned even by the aloof harlies.

 Popenfresh wrote:

 Tadashi wrote:
As for being everyone getting effed when against a Solitaire, take a walk in the Warp like Draigo, and I'll consider it.

No fair, I wish I had horribad fluff to back up my arguments…

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