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Told the amu on my team to build some hp items as we needed a tank but he got all butt hurt and started complaining about every little mistake I made or suggesting unnecessary items he wouldn't fething shut up, despite winning the match as pantheon with a score of14/4/12. I don't even

know why he/she started being so condescending because all I was doing was pointing out that we need someone with lots of hp to take the hits for the team.

Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.

 JohnnoM wrote:
Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.

Well it's always good to get a warmogs on pant that way he can take some hits my build is Ionian boots of Lucidity, Last Whisper, Blood Thirster, Atmas Impaler, Warmogs Armour and Maw of Malmortus.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 JohnnoM wrote:
Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.

Well it's always good to get a warmogs on pant that way he can take some hits my build is Ionian boots of Lucidity, Last Whisper, Blood Thirster, Atmas Impaler, Warmogs Armour and Maw of Malmortus.

My Olaf build is somewhat similiar. The best way to describe it would be a tank, thats also a bruiser.

I can kind of see why then. For Panth though that should be fine. It's obviously not all built in that order.

 Cheesecat wrote:
Told the amu on my team to build some hp items as we needed a tank but he got all butt hurt and started complaining about every little mistake I made or suggesting unnecessary items he wouldn't fething shut up, despite winning the match as pantheon with a score of14/4/12. I don't even

know why he/she started being so condescending because all I was doing was pointing out that we need someone with lots of hp to take the hits for the team.

I never understood why people do not play Amumu as a tank. He is an incredible initiator, but if you go AP he can be burned down fast and lose out on all that % Health damage he does with his tears.

Tankmumu is best mumu!

 n0t_u wrote:
I can kind of see why then. For Panth though that should be fine. It's obviously not all built in that order.

Yeah I don't get Black Cleaver with Pantheon as Last Whisper is 700 gold cheaper.

 JohnnoM wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 JohnnoM wrote:
Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.

Well it's always good to get a warmogs on pant that way he can take some hits my build is Ionian boots of Lucidity, Last Whisper, Blood Thirster, Atmas Impaler, Warmogs Armour and Maw of Malmortus.

My Olaf build is somewhat similiar. The best way to describe it would be a tank, thats also a bruiser.

I get health items for Olaf except my Altma's and berserker grieves.

 rockerbikie wrote:

 JohnnoM wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 JohnnoM wrote:
Cant Panth tank? In which case, I would have just saved myself the hassle and gone tank myself.
Also, methinks that my best position (though i can play all of them) is jungle. I love Olaf jungle, hes a beast.

Well it's always good to get a warmogs on pant that way he can take some hits my build is Ionian boots of Lucidity, Last Whisper, Blood Thirster, Atmas Impaler, Warmogs Armour and Maw of Malmortus.

My Olaf build is somewhat similiar. The best way to describe it would be a tank, thats also a bruiser.

I get health items for Olaf except my Altma's and berserker grieves.

So do I really. Frozen Mallet, Shurelyas, Berserkers, Warmogs, Atmas, and most of the time GA.

Just had my first good game with Katarina. I was on Twisted Treeline with two newbies, so I had to do most of the heavy lifting on both lanes. Ended up with nineteen kills and four deaths.

Exclusively playing AP Sona.

Dear god, there are some real poopheads around -_-

"Buy more wards!"
"I need gold to buy those! Want me to take your lasthits?"
"lol buy sight stone noob"
"That's 975 gold."
"All: LOL REPORT NOOB SONA"

Jesus -______-

At that point, I just take every lasthit and farm up, trying to carry the game. Some people...urgh >.<

Gah people are idiots about wards.

Some people just assume supports get those for free and the enemy does not counter-ward either. Worst of all, the very same people I described above are those playing adc having trouble last-hitting. With a Sona around -_-

My favorite is when three people on the other team have oracles, or the enemy support actually has the money to spread visions everywhere and my team is all "/all this taric no wards" and I'm like "/all this taric doesn't give your team free g report me."

 LordofHats wrote:
My favorite is when three people on the other team have oracles, or the enemy support actually has the money to spread visions everywhere and my team is all "/all this taric no wards" and I'm like "/all this taric doesn't give your team free g report me."

Oh I completely agree. I've gotten to the point where I just ignore those people because they don't understand. The standard rebuttal should be that if they're not happy with your warding they can buy wards themselves. My favorite is when they have you pushed up against your base and then yell at you because drag/baron isn't warded. SURE let me go wander out there, away from safety just to place that ward. I want you to yell at me for dying every time I try (then watch the ward get popped)

To be honest, though, the jungler at least should be warding as well. I know I buy wards when I mid because I have such easy access to important river access ways that vision of people traveling through is important.

Well anyone who watches tournament play knows that everyone on the team supplies the wards. The support certainly carries a lot of that burden for the team, but it's extremely short sighted and selfish to think that the support can by themselves provide that need for their team.

Yeah :/

What bothers me the most, however, is not that these people offend me. I just report them anyways. My main grasp is that people with such an attitude make other players turn away from playing support. Their flame / hate discourages others to play support and that's the real problem.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Yeah :/

What bothers me the most, however, is not that these people offend me. I just report them anyways. My main grasp is that people with such an attitude make other players turn away from playing support. Their flame / hate discourages others to play support and that's the real problem.

I went 0-4-12 as support and post game chat was "noob - look at your score". I was playing support Lulu and we won the game ... Please please let me start playing with sensible people, but 3/4 games this weekend I ended up reporting a team player for AFK so no real improvement for me. There's tto many selfish stat chasers in the game at the mo and little concept of actual team play.

0-4-12? They should be pleased you only died four times. When I play support I go sacrificial lamb all the time to feed the carries. I usually have around 10 deaths by the end of a game even a good one.

What I really, really love though are the people who fail to understand basic math. Someone who has gone 0-20-0 has fed FAR less than someone who goes 10-10-0. Within 5 straight deaths, your worth less than 100g. After 10 your worth 15. Someone who has 10 kills but 10 deaths is giving up 300g every time they die.

I was playing a game (ranked) where this Rengar on the other team was constantly complaining about the Jarvan who was his jungle. The Jarvan was something like 0-12-something low. Now, Jarvan was bad. Really bad. But the Rengar was 19-17. And he was complaining about Jarvan feeding and I was just sitting there thinking that he was a total idiot who jumped in going kill for kill feeding my team a near constant good income of 300g kills while that Jarvan had long been worth so little money we didn't even bother with the guy. Whose the real feeder?

 LordofHats wrote:
What I really, really love though are the people who fail to understand basic math. Someone who has gone 0-20-0 has fed FAR less than someone who goes 10-10-0. Within 5 straight deaths, your worth less than 100g. After 10 your worth 15. Someone who has 10 kills but 10 deaths is giving up 300g every time they die.

I was playing a game (ranked) where this Rengar on the other team was constantly complaining about the Jarvan who was his jungle. The Jarvan was something like 0-12-something low. Now, Jarvan was bad. Really bad. But the Rengar was 19-17. And he was complaining about Jarvan feeding and I was just sitting there thinking that he was a total idiot who jumped in going kill for kill feeding my team a near constant good income of 300g kills while that Jarvan had long been worth so little money we didn't even bother with the guy. Whose the real feeder?

Jarvan. You're forgetting that not only is dying bad, but that making the enemy die is good. Otherwise, the winning strategy would be to just sit in your base and wait - sure, you wouldn't be doing anything to hinder the enemy, but you wouldn't be "feeding", right?

I'm merely commenting on the way people invoke the term. Rengar had been dead for far more time than Jarvan, but Jarvan wasn't costing his team the game as badly as he was. And if we're going to qualify feeding as giving the enemy team money to get items, then Rengar gave far more. I'm not saying dying 12 times and achieving nothing is a good thing. Just that someone whose 19-17 hardly has grounds to complain. Sure they got kills but all they did was kill die kill die kill die, which isn't really helpful either when nothing comes out of it. Then they complain about some other guy who looks like they're doing worse, and profit.

Lesson: Jumping into the entire enemy team to get a kill and dying in the process when the rest of your team is dead or on the other side of the map, is not a smart idea.

Speaking of supports ... gave Thresh a try while he was free, and before I knew it I've got Deep Terror Thresh and figuring out how to properly support-tank Not doing a great job so far, but getting there? And yep was harassed about warding in my first PVP

- Salvage

IMHO Thresh is a better Solo-top than tanky support.

Still undecided on Tresh. Seen a lot of people picking him and going for ad, but most of them horribly failed at it. His chain seems to be his saving grace, but overall, if he misses the chain, I don't see him being a major threat. Efficient warding (hah, there we go again!) hard-counters the hook. He looks cool though.

Man, I wish they'd release a cool Sona skin. Seriously thought about buying one, but they look terrible :/

...and seriously, Riot, lay off that Asian crap. I don't want all of my heroes to be kids with guns.

I've found that jungle nas is probably the most op char ever. Start blue, clear jungle in 4 mins, you get between 50-70 on your q immediately, and by 20 mins you'll easily have 300 on it with 4-5 gank attempts accounted for. By 40 mins you should have 700 on your q and by 60 easily over 1k = meaning you 1 hit any adc and likely 2 shot their tanks. There isn't much the other team can do to stop you either.

My first thought when I tried Thresh was that AD could be cool The chain is cool - Blitz's is better - but I've been pushing the lantern, for all the utility stuff it can do (soul gathering, vision, shield). Frustrating all the people that either don't know how it works or don't want to use it - yesterday had a Teemo that kept getting caught out but wouldn't zip himself over to me

 Sigvatr wrote:
Man, I wish they'd release a cool Sona skin. Seriously thought about buying one, but they look terrible :/

They only updated her classic art, not skin too ala Annie & Nida, right? Pentakill / Arcade are ok by me though

- Salvage

 Sigvatr wrote:
Still undecided on Tresh. Seen a lot of people picking him and going for ad, but most of them horribly failed at it. His chain seems to be his saving grace, but overall, if he misses the chain, I don't see him being a major threat. Efficient warding (hah, there we go again!) hard-counters the hook. He looks cool though.

I find thresh to a good CC support in the same lines as Blitz, Leona and Taric. If you do grab, when they get close enough you flay backwards to throw them even farther away from safety so your ADC can absolutely trash them. His range and AA responsiveness is pretty good, I'd definitely take him again in the future as a support. Also, in team fights you can finish that combo with an ult, slowing anyone who tries to peel your team off whoever you just grabbed (most likely their ADC)

 JohnnoM wrote:
IMHO Thresh is a better Solo-top than tanky support.

THis. The funny thing about Thresh is that in the support role he's just a worse Blitzcrank. If you can grab BLitz, theres no need for Thresh and even if you can't grab Blitz Taric or Leona will most of the time be better choices baring specific matchups.

You dont build Thresh AD though. Solo top thresh build is On-hit/AS. If you dont know what that means it means stuff like Frozen Mallet, Malady, Wits End etc that have passive that activates when you land a basic attack, and then attack speed to increase the rate of those On-hit affects.

Good example build for Solo Top Thresh:

Start Crystaline Flask plus 4 pots (Which ones depend on your playstyle and opponent, i usually go 3 health 1 mana.)
Rush Phage
Boots
Giants Belt
Finish FM
Berserker Greaves
Malady/Wits End/ other on hit items.
Buy another on-hit item (E.g now you have Frozen Mallet, Malady and Wits End.)
Runaan's Hurricane, Thresh is ranged, so it works for him, get attack speed boost.
Finish off a counter item e.g.
Thornmail
Banshees
Warmogs
Guardian Angel

Your welcome

 DemetriDominov wrote:
I've found that jungle nas is probably the most op char ever. Start blue, clear jungle in 4 mins, you get between 50-70 on your q immediately, and by 20 mins you'll easily have 300 on it with 4-5 gank attempts accounted for. By 40 mins you should have 700 on your q and by 60 easily over 1k = meaning you 1 hit any adc and likely 2 shot their tanks. There isn't much the other team can do to stop you either.

Now this I want to try. I've tried Nassus a few times and generally get kited to death on top, a jungler though might just be the trick.