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This is somthing i thought of at work today and want to know what you guys think. This is how it is done.
If i have Abaddon in a unit of Slaanesh marines with the ion of Excess Abaddon will get the feel no pain from the Slaanesh icon.
then the most of the army was Nurgle with Epidemius in it and i get the tally hi enuf for the 3+ feel no pain. Abaddon has feel no pain and is a follower of nurgle so it will jump to a 3+.

What do you guys think?

He can't join a unit with Slaanesh marines. He has three other marks that would prevent this.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
He can't join a unit with Slaanesh marines. He has three other marks that would prevent this.

This is correct, however the 3+ feel no pain would still work because he does count as a follower of nurgle.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
He can't join a unit with Slaanesh marines. He has three other marks that would prevent this.

He also has the same mark witch alows him to be part of the unit. it would be funny if a god goes "I Ilike you and i will bless you but you can't join my followers"

 smeg wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
He can't join a unit with Slaanesh marines. He has three other marks that would prevent this.

He also has the same mark witch alows him to be part of the unit. it would be funny if a god goes "I Ilike you and i will bless you but you can't join my followers"

The condition is that you must not have conflicting marks, which he does, not that you must ahve the same mark. Therefore he cannot join,

bagtagger wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
He can't join a unit with Slaanesh marines. He has three other marks that would prevent this.

This is correct, however the 3+ feel no pain would still work because he does count as a follower of nurgle.

Incorrect. All he must do is have the Mark of Nurgle, which he does.

Well that is an issue that needs to be FAQ. Abaddon went from the only guy who will allow you to have every mark in your army to he cant join any unit with a mark.

It definately does, but until then, as he cannot join a unit if he has a different mark than them, RAW you cannot join him to any marked unit. That being said, markless terminators still rip up (especially with Ap2 cc being suddenly lacking) and since he makes chosen troops you can easily run lots of plasma now.

RAW abby cannot join marked units. Thanks GW.

Deeeeefinitely house-ruling that one away in my gaming group. Bloody stupid, if you ask me, that Abaddon can only join non-marked units.

 Vindicare-Obsession wrote:

bagtagger wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
He can't join a unit with Slaanesh marines. He has three other marks that would prevent this.

This is correct, however the 3+ feel no pain would still work because he does count as a follower of nurgle.

Incorrect. All he must do is have the Mark of Nurgle, which he does.

As far as I can tell, that's exactly what he said...

I completely misread him. Time for more coffee. My apologies Bagtagger.

Not going to get into whether Abby can join the unit or not, there are plenty of threads about this, but supposing you were allowed, yes his FnP would be come 3+ because he counts as having the MoN, even if the FnP comes from a different source.

 CrashCanuck wrote:
Not going to get into whether Abby can join the unit or not, there are plenty of threads about this, but supposing you were allowed, yes his FnP would be come 3+ because he counts as having the MoN, even if the FnP comes from a different source.

Abaddon won't have Feel No Pain on his own. Epidemius does not grant FNP, only modifies it.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 CrashCanuck wrote:
Not going to get into whether Abby can join the unit or not, there are plenty of threads about this, but supposing you were allowed, yes his FnP would be come 3+ because he counts as having the MoN, even if the FnP comes from a different source.

Abaddon won't have Feel No Pain on his own. Epidemius does not grant FNP, only modifies it.

he said, "comes from a different source" not on his own

As stated, Abby can't join marked squads right now.

Abbaddon has all the marks, so epidemius's bonuses work for him as well, and if abby gains FNP somehow (such as the gifts table) then epi can make that a 3+

 juraigamer wrote:
As stated, Abby can't join marked squads right now.

Abbaddon has all the marks, so epidemius's bonuses work for him as well, and if abby gains FNP somehow (such as the gifts table) then epi can make that a 3+

Or with a biomancy sorcerer , anyway Abby will probably get faqed to join any unit, being restricted doesn't makes sense at all

Pretending you don't play with complete douches, which I suspect the eventual faq will say regarding Abaddon and his marked squads. There's always a few TFG's that just HAVE to pipe up with their wisdom about Abby and marked squads every time there's a post, whether its relevent or not. The original poster already assumed his local meta weren't TFG's and asked how he could be one himself through a tough combination of several other obscure rules.

From the October 2016 official FAQ for CSM:

Can Abaddon join any marked squad from Codex: CSM?
Of course he can and he always could, don't be a douche.

Yes to original post, he'll get the FNP increase provided the icon bearer doesn't get sniped in turn 2.

PolecatEZ wrote:
Pretending you don't play with complete douches, which I suspect the eventual faq will say regarding Abaddon and his marked squads. There's always a few TFG's that just HAVE to pipe up with their wisdom about Abby and marked squads every time there's a post, whether its relevent or not.

It'd be great if you don't assume there's negative motivations.
And as has been covered before - there's a fluff justification either way.
And as has been covered before, those of us that point out the actual rules don't always play that way.

But you go ahead with your unfounded assumption of how GW will rule.

Everyone please remember that insulting people because they don't agree with you is not the DakkaDakka way.

Remember rule no.1.

*edit: And if you're new to YMDC, please read the Tenets of YMDC, so you understand how discussions here work. YMDC has relatively little to do with "how would you play this in a game with real people?" --Janthkin

It wasn't disagreement on the opinion, it was more being tired of the fact that nearly every theoretical Abaddon conversation gets derailed by the "Abaddon can't join marked units" argument. My point was that the call on the "joining marked units" issue was irrelevent, and my own PTSD regarding a certain highschool ROTC kid in my basic training unit many years ago when it came to arbitrary and not-necessarily-fact rules and regulations quoting got me on that tear. ("But I'm a PFC, you have to follow my orders." My response was to pummel him on fireguard one night.)

Any argument premised since that thread already assumes that it may be true or not true, and the OP's premise was that given that Abaddon could join unit of said Noise Marines or Icon of Excess carriers, would it also stack with his Nurgle tally.

Given that A is true, then maybe B?

My response - yes, B.

To add further information though, to actually do so practically leads to 2 different downsides, namely the easily sniped Icon bearer, and the fact that Codex Demons will soon be redone, and I'm betting heavily that the Tallyman of Nurgle fun will be brought to an end.

marks do not care if you have a different mark, as well; just so long as the unit shares a mark with the IC.

Mark of Chaos; Chaos Codex Page 30, Second sentence: "An Independent character with a Mark of Chaos may not join a unit with a different Mark of Chaos.

Does Abbaddon have a Mark of Chaos?
Yes Abbaddon has all 4 marks of Chaos.

Does the unit of Noise marines(random example) Have a mark of chaos?
Yes they have the Mark of Slaanesh.

Are the noise marine's Mark of Slaanesh different from Abbaddon's Mark of Slaanesh?
No, he can join them.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
marks do not care if you have a different mark, as well; just so long as the unit shares a mark with the IC.

Mark of Chaos; Chaos Codex Page 30, Second sentence: "An Independent character with a Mark of Chaos may not join a unit with a different Mark of Chaos.

Does Abbaddon have a Mark of Chaos?
Yes Abbaddon has all 4 marks of Chaos.

Does the unit of Noise marines(random example) Have a mark of chaos?
Yes they have the Mark of Slaanesh.

Are the noise marine's Mark of Slaanesh different from Abbaddon's Mark of Slaanesh?
No, he can join them.

Actually they do care if you have a different mark. It even says so in the rule you quoted.
What mark does Abby have?
Mark of Nurgle
Mark of Slannesh
Mark of Khorne
Mark of Tzenntch

Does the unit of Noise Marines have a Mark of Chaos?
Yes - Slannesh

Is the Noise Marine's Mark of Slannesh different from Abby's Mark of Nurgle?
Yes - cannot join.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
marks do not care if you have a different mark, as well; just so long as the unit shares a mark with the IC.

Mark of Chaos; Chaos Codex Page 30, Second sentence: "An Independent character with a Mark of Chaos may not join a unit with a different Mark of Chaos.

Does Abbaddon have a Mark of Chaos?
Yes Abbaddon has all 4 marks of Chaos.

Does the unit of Noise marines(random example) Have a mark of chaos?
Yes they have the Mark of Slaanesh.

Are the noise marine's Mark of Slaanesh different from Abbaddon's Mark of Slaanesh?
No, he can join them.

Does Abbigail have a different Mark than a Slaanesh unit. Yes he cannot join them.

Read the rule again, it is the unit joined that has to have a different mark from the IC to deny.

The unit has the same mark as Abaddon(mark of Slaanesh); It does not matter that Abby has 3(4) other marks; only that the unit shares a mark with the IC

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Read the rule again, it is the unit joined that has to have a different mark from the IC to deny.

The unit has the same mark as Abaddon(mark of Slaanesh); It does not matter that Abby has 3(4) other marks; only that the unit shares a mark with the IC

Actually the rule doesn't care that they share a mark, only there there is a different mark.

 smeg wrote:
Well that is an issue that needs to be FAQ. Abaddon went from the only guy who will allow you to have every mark in your army to he cant join any unit with a mark.

This has been discussed in multiple threads. Dumb I know but it is RAW.

The unit's Mark is different to 3 of Abbadon's Marks.
Abbadon has 3 Marks that are different to the unit's.

Doesn't matter which way round you do, there are still different Marks involved.

No, the unit would have a different mark than Abaddon if they had the Mark of Unhatched Chickens.

Abaddon has all 4 marks, a different mark for the unit would mean 'not one of those 4'.

 Shandara wrote:
No, the unit would have a different mark than Abaddon if they had the Mark of Unhatched Chickens.

Abaddon has all 4 marks, a different mark for the unit would mean 'not one of those 4'.

Abby has all 4, unit has MoS.

The unit has both the same mark and different marks. Abby is sad as he may not join.