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Hey dakka, as shatterfield missiles get to reroll wounds do they also get to reroll armor penetration on vehicles. I'm thinking no because vehicles don't have wounds but if there's any other reason other than this i would like to know, Thanks

You are correct, the ability to re-roll wounds does not necessarily imply the ability to re-roll penetrations.

Wounds =/= penetration.

 Valkyrie wrote:
Wounds =/= penetration.

Flickerfields/vehicle invuls kinda gos the other way with this.

Just saying, if a vehicle can take an invul save for glances/pens why not allow the reroll?

Re-rolling failed To-Wound rolls is different to taking Flickerfield saves.

Rolling to Penetrate isn't rolling to wound, so you don't get a re-roll.

For the Flickerfield an invulnerable save is no different to a cover save at the end of the day - you roll it against damage results. Difference is, it'll work against Dangerous Terrain rolls and in Close Combat (and against weapons that ignore cover).

 Ovion wrote:
Re-rolling failed To-Wound rolls is different to taking Flickerfield saves.

Rolling to Penetrate isn't rolling to wound, so you don't get a re-roll.

For the Flickerfield an invulnerable save is no different to a cover save at the end of the day - you roll it against damage results. Difference is, it'll work against Dangerous Terrain rolls and in Close Combat (and against weapons that ignore cover).

Considering you have to use a bit of logic to take an invul save on a vehicle as with the exception of Bjorn IIRC no vehicle is "allowed" to take them as Invul saves can only be taken for wounds.

Just saying they're comparable and honestly when do we draw the line

Funny thing is - I can't find anywhere (and I've looked previously quite hard) that says Vehicles can actually take saves at all.

There's entries specifying they get a Cover Save from various things, but the actual entries for saves specify saves are taken against wounds, but we take the Cover Saves against Damage results too, but it's a teency bit vague on that at the end of the day.

From memory, Bjorn, any unit with a Flickerfield (Venom, Raider, Razorwing, Voidraven, Reaper, Raven, Tantalus), Daemon Engines (Defiler, Heldrake, Maulerfiend, Forgefiend) have an Invulnerable Save, which, same as above, is rolled against Damage results like a Cover Save+ (and has been confirmed to work as such in FAQs).

As for re-rolling To Wound rolls, it's quite specifically To-Wound rolls, not To-Pen rolls and there's really nothing vague about it. Both instances have a clear and separate term.

Hope this helped ^-^

 Ovion wrote:
Funny thing is - I can't find anywhere (and I've looked previously quite hard) that says Vehicles can actually take saves at all.

There's entries specifying they get a Cover Save from various things, but the actual entries for saves specify saves are taken against wounds, but we take the Cover Saves against Damage results too, but it's a teency bit vague on that at the end of the day.

From memory, Bjorn, any unit with a Flickerfield (Venom, Raider, Razorwing, Voidraven, Reaper, Raven, Tantalus), Daemon Engines (Defiler, Heldrake, Maulerfiend, Forgefiend) have an Invulnerable Save, which, same as above, is rolled against Damage results like a Cover Save+ (and has been confirmed to work as such in FAQs).

As for re-rolling To Wound rolls, it's quite specifically To-Wound rolls, not To-Pen rolls and there's really nothing vague about it. Both instances have a clear and separate term.

Hope this helped ^-^

Either Bjorns FAQ/SW codex rule allows him to take invuls to Glances/penetrating hits. The other one's are just kinda floating around the common sense area ^^