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Hey there DakkaDakka! new user here coming to see what this forum has to offer. I recently just started playing warmahordes after having a long history of 40k/fantasy. Im hoping this list is good but of course im open to C+C

Saeryn
Angelius
Ravagore
Scythean
Scythean
Shredder
Shredder
Annyssa Ryvaal
Spell Martyr
Spell Martyr
Forsaken
Forsaken
Shepard
Shepard

50pts

Im feeling it lacks infantry but ive been told saeryn isnt a real infantry caster. I do plan on going competative in this game so tear this list a new one if you must

First things first, start small. Learn with 11-15pts of mostly beasts (battlebox if you fancy) and get to know the interactions of the battlegroup and how fury goes back and forth between them.

As for the actual list it is good, just not the best possible. Too much fury management (though it is good to have spare sometimes) and two shredders when you can do with just one and sit him at the back using tenacity.

Thanks for the tips!

Ya I will be starting small but I was talking to people at my LGS and they were saying most tournaments play at 50pts so I wated to see how a list of that size would look. It is a list I will be building up to.

You said I have too much fury managment what should I drop/add?

I would drop two of any combination of Shepards and Forsaken, as well as one Shredder as suggested. Shepards and Forsaken both have their merits, and it's up to personal preference.

From there, you could either downgrade the Angelius to...something, I'm not sure, and add a unit of Striders+UA, or just use the points saved to upgrade a Scythean to Typhon.

hmmm Out of these options which sounds best to you guys?

Drop Angel,shredder and 1 shepard to get Typhon

Drop Angel For striders with UA and drop shredder and 2 shepards for 2 death stalkers

Drop Angel and shepard for raptors and then drop shredder and shepard for deathstalker and spell martyr

Drop Angel 2 sherpards and shredder for max legionaires and max striders

That's interesting. Over here in the UK Saeryn with at least one Angelius, usually two, is considered the standard. It's animus is great for scenarios and with her feat you can run/charge to engage the enemy caster without worrying about free strikes.

Have a listen to the podcast hosted on Hand Cannon Online, Removed From Play. Both the hosts play legion and have some very good ideas of how to start playing them. Unfortunately I can't remember which episode it was.

I'm a Cryx player so I'm not the one to give the best advice but as you play the game hopefully you'll see there isn't one best list for any caster or faction. So building towards one list is good to start but pretty soon most people add in other stuff to add flexibility.

Saeryn wants to get the most out of her feat turn. I've always felt Typhon felt lacking in her list simply because she doesn't bring a dmg buff to make him sing. Her feat really entices players to abuse Dual angels and Scytheans are your work horse models.

Blight Bringer is a fantastic spell and is great to put on models who can get where they want to be without trouble. Harriers are nice for this, shredders also, but the Raek with its leap ability have been the best for me. BB will be a deterent for any non-reach infintry, so removing reach models is generally a strong tactic early game.

Here is the list I'm currently running @50pts.

50 Points:
Saeryn +5
Angelius 9
Angelius 9
Scythean 9
Scythean 9
Raek 4 (Blight Bringer Target, LEAP/ANIMUS)
Shredder 2 (Tenacity Battery)
x2 Forsaken 4 (Fury Management)
x2 Deathstalkers 4 (Ranged Pressure)
X2 Spell Martyrs 2 (Breathe Stealer/Hellfire/BB)
Succubus 2 (Helps with Upkeeps/Animi)
Swamp Gobbers 1 (Blocks LOS)

The Gobbers are just there to help block LOS to Saeryn, but you can swap them out for a number of things. A shepherd is never a bad thing to have around for healing and extra fury management, another spell martyr in case one is shot off the board or you need to get breathstealer to a crucial target, and since her feat and angels give her a strong scenario presence even a Feralgeist isn't a bad 1pt investment simply to hold zones.

The reason I use Forsaken in her list vs. Shepherds is simply because the list moves fast and I find the Shepherds are left behind or need to be so close to the figh that they are removed early. Forsaken are able to keep up and stay back while also being a bit more sturdy than the Shepherds are.

I do feel the list is vulnerable to shooting which is a problem. Striders+UA or Raptors would go a long way to help this, but finding the pts for me has proven difficult. I like my load out and generally in a two list format, I'll take my other list vs. shooting.

Thats interesting because on other forums people were saying that the Angels arent really required. Im at such a loss here there seem to be so many good things but idk what to take. I am definitly taking 2 syctheans no matter what and of course the forsaken. Maybe I can drop the 2 shepards and 1 shredder to get a raek other than that Im not sure where to go. I like the idea of having at least 1 Angel in there but it feels im lacking in the infantry department. Personally I want to avoid using minions for the time being as it would be alot to learn from the get go

The_Talon wrote:
Thats interesting because on other forums people were saying that the Angels arent really required. Im at such a loss here there seem to be so many good things but idk what to take. I am definitly taking 2 syctheans no matter what and of course the forsaken. Maybe I can drop the 2 shepards and 1 shredder to get a raek other than that Im not sure where to go. I like the idea of having at least 1 Angel in there but it feels im lacking in the infantry department. Personally I want to avoid using minions for the time being as it would be alot to learn from the get go

Yeah, as Legion you have a good problem.

There isn't really much to using Swamp Gobbers, at least, they're great models to have playing any hordes list, and you don't need to remember if any of your buffs will work on them or not, because if you're in a situation where you're considering buffing Swamp Gobbers, that probably means it's time to concede.

Angelii are really great warbeasts. Personally, I've been on the receiving end of Typhon enough to recommend him, but he's not an auto-include. I really think a unit of Striders+UA should fit into the list somewhere. Even if it takes away from the amazing battlegroup, there will be times you just need more shots.

Angels are great for a number of reasons.

1. High natural Def with tenacity you're at DEF 15, ARM 18... Really nice.

2. Armor Piercing for serious heavy damage, but Scytheans out perform the Angel in this regard.

3. 12" natural threat range which is our longest natural threat range.

4. Flight, which is super pathfinder and with her feat can be used to charge casters hiding beind models while ignoring free strikes on the feat turn. Its excellent.

5. A 12" boostable Pow 12 shot with Crit Fire which can handle some business.

6. An amazing animus that can help with scenarios along with opening up charge lanes.

7. Overtake - Can move 1" after each destroyed enemy warrior model which with reach can be very helpful in clearing multiple targets.

They are a complete package and do a lot, and I feel eVayl is the only other caster that can take advantage of them as well as Saeryn. I do feel they need to come in pairs. They seem to function much better that way for whatever reason. The threat of 1 AP attack is bad, but two is certain death for a lot of heavies.

As far as Saeryn is concerned, 4 heavies who have so many attacks and can blow through fury like no one's business and you CAN'T attack in melee for a turn meaning they get to do it AGAIN is very difficult to deal with unless you're running a heavy gunline.

Also, I'm not against infintry with Legion, but Saeryn is a beast caster. I tend to go very light on infintry, but as I stated above, if you want to, I'd recommend a ranged element to help mediate her ranged weaknesses. Striders+UA, Raptors, Annyssa Ryvaal, Deathstalkers are all excellent choices.

 hivemind66 wrote:
Angels are great for a number of reasons.

1. High natural Def with tenacity you're at DEF 15, ARM 18... Really nice.

Plus the most common method of getting rid of their high DEF, KD, is out. That's what really makes them, imo. More than once I've looked across the board at an Angelius and thought "Well, it's sitting at DEF 18, so throwing a heavy at it would be stupid, but if I can hit it with a knockdown...oh."

codemonkey wrote:

 hivemind66 wrote:
Angels are great for a number of reasons.

1. High natural Def with tenacity you're at DEF 15, ARM 18... Really nice.

Plus the most common method of getting rid of their high DEF, KD, is out. That's what really makes them, imo. More than once I've looked across the board at an Angelius and thought "Well, it's sitting at DEF 18, so throwing a heavy at it would be stupid, but if I can hit it with a knockdown...oh."

Very valid point that I forgot to mention. Angels are amazing, but I feel need a caster who does something for them that makes them shine. Saeryn and eVayl do this along with Abby who can get an Angel up to DEF 17! The most dmg I've landed in one hit was 21 over ARM lol.