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eg: Is ragnar still worth taking now furious charge has changed? Is ulrik worth taking at all? etc

Ragnar's definitely worth taking with Blood Claws in a Land Raider. That's a seriously stupid amount of attacks to be put out from one unit.
Not to mention Njal Stormcaller - he was always great but if anything, he got even stronger with 6th ed.

Ngal has a 3+ dispel

 Super Ready wrote:
Ragnar's definitely worth taking with Blood Claws in a Land Raider. That's a seriously stupid amount of attacks to be put out from one unit.
Not to mention Njal Stormcaller - he was always great but if anything, he got even stronger with 6th ed.

Yeah but those attacks are all at ws3!

I use Ragnar with a Wolf Lord and a full compliment of GH with flamers in a Land Raider. Its pretty devastating.

Pop your Wolf Standard beforehand and be ready to bring the pain.

A Njal list won the Nova open and invitational. I've played him and if you bury him in a massive IG blob squad he is insane. Very good IMO.

Abhorash15000 wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
Ragnar's definitely worth taking with Blood Claws in a Land Raider. That's a seriously stupid amount of attacks to be put out from one unit.
Not to mention Njal Stormcaller - he was always great but if anything, he got even stronger with 6th ed.

Yeah but those attacks are all at ws3!

...And?

Except against certain special characters and the dark eldar characters that rarely anyone takes, you'll still be hitting stuff on a 4+.

WS 3 makes you slightly less durable, as WS 4 + units are hitting you on a 3+, but it doesn't diminish your killing power in the least unless you're facing the rare WS 7 or more unit.

Abhorash15000 wrote:
eg: Is ragnar still worth taking now furious charge has changed? Is ulrik worth taking at all? etc

You are free to take any HQs you want. You never know, you might have (gasp!) fun...

Bjorn can be useful in a apoc game as a objective in your backfield

Njal in the middle of a 50 man platoon of IQ is not so bad. Expensive as hell, but not bad at all. Definitely quite a bit of bang for the buck.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Abhorash15000 wrote:
eg: Is ragnar still worth taking now furious charge has changed? Is ulrik worth taking at all? etc

You are free to take any HQs you want. You never know, you might have (gasp!) fun...

"Free to take" and "worth taking" are completely different.

Nijal is good, expensive though. I'd rather 2 basic RPs.

 Lokas wrote:

Abhorash15000 wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
Ragnar's definitely worth taking with Blood Claws in a Land Raider. That's a seriously stupid amount of attacks to be put out from one unit.
Not to mention Njal Stormcaller - he was always great but if anything, he got even stronger with 6th ed.

Yeah but those attacks are all at ws3!

...And?

Except against certain special characters and the dark eldar characters that rarely anyone takes, you'll still be hitting stuff on a 4+.

WS 3 makes you slightly less durable, as WS 4 + units are hitting you on a 3+, but it doesn't diminish your killing power in the least unless you're facing the rare WS 7 or more unit.

Yes sorry you are entirely correct i should have vocalised that my fear is that the guys I play with will get the upper hand against such ws due to the types of armies they tend to use often having units with superior initiative, otherwise yeah.


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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

Abhorash15000 wrote:
eg: Is ragnar still worth taking now furious charge has changed? Is ulrik worth taking at all? etc

You are free to take any HQs you want. You never know, you might have (gasp!) fun...

Read the text under the subject line again,..... then dont bother replying

Abhorash15000 wrote:

 Lokas wrote:

Abhorash15000 wrote:

 Super Ready wrote:
Ragnar's definitely worth taking with Blood Claws in a Land Raider. That's a seriously stupid amount of attacks to be put out from one unit.
Not to mention Njal Stormcaller - he was always great but if anything, he got even stronger with 6th ed.

Yeah but those attacks are all at ws3!

...And?

Except against certain special characters and the dark eldar characters that rarely anyone takes, you'll still be hitting stuff on a 4+.

WS 3 makes you slightly less durable, as WS 4 + units are hitting you on a 3+, but it doesn't diminish your killing power in the least unless you're facing the rare WS 7 or more unit.

Yes sorry you are entirely correct i should have vocalised that my fear is that the guys I play with will get the upper hand against such ws due to the types of armies they tend to use often having units with superior initiative, otherwise yeah.

Ragnar is a good model for CC but I've often heard that Blood Claws and Ragnar aren't a good match because Blood Claws Berserk Charge doesn't stack with Ragnar's Insane Bravado. I personally feel Ragnar is better with a squad of Grey Hunters in a Land Raider with a WG as an extra couple attacks to take up the number 12 seat in the LR.

Griddle is right though, take two RP instead of Njal and that way you get more options for Psyker attacks, just remember to get Chooser of the Slain to stop those infiltrators and get that extra +1 to BS!

You get the best bang for your buck (Ie. his special abilities) with Ragnar and a unit of Grey hunters or Wolf Guard. This unit can get pricy, but still devastate whatever it hits.

Njal is still awesome, you will never have that feeling that you wish you had taken one power over another and his 3+ dispel is the second best psychic defense in the game and his secondary powers cannot be countered.

Ulrik is a great character if you play to his strengths. Give his WS boost to a TWC model with a p-fist or TH. He is now hitting most things on a 3+ and getting more damage done. Put Ulrik in a top floor building with Long fangs and get the most out of his rerolls on LD as everyone can still see him. Ulrik is not quite as plug and play as some of the other characters, but when used right he is a great asset.

I use Bjorn the Unstoppable Murder Machine in most of my SW lists. Just so long as you don't do something foolish, he is a beast in CC. And if you see him getting worn down on glancing hits, then try to have him die in a convenient corner near your own troops and get a (nearly) free objective.

I have played SW quite a few times in competitive settings

The character the scares me and so the one i go after aggressively is Njal. Left alone he degrades my army frustratingly quickly.

I second the hatred for Njal. Since SW players always field another RP along with him, they completely negate any enemy psykers.

Anybody else find it odd that the chapter that hates and fears psykers the most also happens to have the best psykers in the game AND tends to field the largest number of psykers per battle?

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
I second the hatred for Njal. Since SW players always field another RP along with him, they completely negate any enemy psykers.

Anybody else find it odd that the chapter that hates and fears psykers the most also happens to have the best psykers in the game AND tends to field the largest number of psykers per battle?

It's actually rather fluffy, they're very superstitious so they consult their priests frequently (they don't acknowledge that they are psykers) and rely heavily on totems/runes to ward off sorcery.

But yeah, it'd be nice if players were given a bit more reason to take a different HQ without handicapping their army...

Given how strong SW are now im will to put money down they get a massive nerf next codex review.

How better to get all those SW players, happy with their strong win ratios, to buy a bunch of new models.

 Loricatus Aurora wrote:
Given how strong SW are now im will to put money down they get a massive nerf next codex review.
How better to get all those SW players, happy with their strong win ratios, to buy a bunch of new models.

I see your bet and raise you one "SW armies will still rock but GHs and LFs will be nerfed in favour of BCs and some fancy new Wolf-themed flyer". :p

Super Ready wrote:

 Loricatus Aurora wrote:
Given how strong SW are now im will to put money down they get a massive nerf next codex review.
How better to get all those SW players, happy with their strong win ratios, to buy a bunch of new models.

I see your bet and raise you one "SW armies will still rock but GHs and LFs will be nerfed in favour of BCs and some fancy new Wolf-themed flyer". :p

I see you both and raise you a "it's going to be a long time before SW get a new codex, and when they do I bet Mat Ward writes it and everyone's jaw hits the floor at the new gold-standard for OP"

 azazel the cat wrote:

Super Ready wrote:

 Loricatus Aurora wrote:
Given how strong SW are now im will to put money down they get a massive nerf next codex review.
How better to get all those SW players, happy with their strong win ratios, to buy a bunch of new models.

I see your bet and raise you one "SW armies will still rock but GHs and LFs will be nerfed in favour of BCs and some fancy new Wolf-themed flyer". :p

I see you both and raise you a "it's going to be a long time before SW get a new codex, and when they do I bet Mat Ward writes it and everyone's jaw hits the floor at the new gold-standard for OP"

Back when the old SW Codex was written, I don't think any of the current Codex writers were even doing 40k... chances are we'll get some new-fangled whipper-snapper that everyone's whining about.

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
I second the hatred for Njal. Since SW players always field another RP along with him, they completely negate any enemy psykers.

Anybody else find it odd that the chapter that hates and fears psykers the most also happens to have the best psykers in the game AND tends to field the largest number of psykers per battle?

It's actually rather fluffy, they're very superstitious so they consult their priests frequently (they don't acknowledge that they are psykers) and rely heavily on totems/runes to ward off sorcery.

But yeah, it'd be nice if players were given a bit more reason to take a different HQ without handicapping their army...

They still have Rune priests I think because their sorcery is based on the tribal runic sorcery of the native fenrisians who are reported in the fluff to be naturally gifted with such things. They differentiate them from other astartes psykers as their spells are more protective, elemental and more shamanic,. Runic weapons are originally made from oak from ancient terra for example. Infact I'm sure I read somewhere they believe their runic energy comes from Fenris itself though I cant be bothered to find it and in any case I may have dreamt it. You used to be limited to how many you take by how many gh units you had- that was in the good old days when rune lords had better statlines than a wolf lord.

I personally like Ulrik the Slayer as an HQ choice. Put him in a position to give all the space wolves line of sight to him and watch as they never fail a morale check. Some people like to put him with Long Fangs high in a building. I personally like to put him at the forefront of my army with a unit of Grey Hunters.

So far, to his credit, Ulrik has the honor of slaying Abbadon the Despoiler, Kharn the Betrayer, Ghazgkull Thraka, Eldrad Ulthran, Asdrubael Vect, and an impostor Logan Grimnar. I'm really having fun with him as I like to use Imperial Guard Allies with my wolves now and have the Psyker Battle Squad target whatever unit Ulrik has assulted with Weaken Resolve. It's hilarious to watch turn after turn of super characters not able to attack Ulrik.

Mhmm, I believe it's in A Thousand Sons, The Battle of the Fang, and maybe Prospero Burns too. And yeah, I wish the Codex was better balanced internally so I didn't have to handicap myself by taking fluffy units...

Which self respecting space viking wants to be a utility ML long fang? Please boss, leave me a blood claw!

Long fangs are the old men of the chapter. They spent their youth as bloodclaws, grey hunters, or wolf guard (if they were particularly awesome). But once they start missing a step or two, they are moved into the long fangs squads and given weapons with reach.

One of the original ideas (fluff reasons) of split fire is to show the mountain of experance and disipline that a long fang has developed over the centuries of fighting that they have the experance of knowing just where to send those heavy weapons to do the most good, and not waste firepower.


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 ClassicCarraway wrote:


Anybody else find it odd that the chapter that hates and fears psykers the most also happens to have the best psykers in the game AND tends to field the largest number of psykers per battle?

This is blatentnly false and I'm amazed it still makes the rounds.

Why wouldn't a chapter that hates psychers have the best defenses against it? Its not unreasonable that they might have more than one anti-psychic artifact/nick knack or two brought to the battlefield.

As for the best psychers... Who is that? Njal and a rune priest top out a psycher level 2. There are many many other psychers who are 3 or above. So a SW army can take 4 psychers at the cost of every other HQ slot? Every GK is a psycher. IG can bring 10 in a single unit, Thousand Sons get one in every squad, Eldar can bring 2 as HQs and several of their unit leaders abilitys are psychic driven. There are lots of psychers out there. Just not in a C:SM.

Yes Njal is awesome with with Storm secondary effects, but it doesn't make him any more powerful than Mephiston or Eldrad or Arihman.

Not to mention that BT are clearly the chapter that hates psykers the most.