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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/20 21:45:36
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/20 21:57:44
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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1) It ain't Rice's fault... she was just regurgitating the approved talking points. That's more on the administration officials then Rice.
2) Erm... he's trying to get answers out of the whole administrations... unfortunately, he felt he had to do this via speaking out on News Channel. Nothing new here...
3) Wait, wait... wait a minute...
So.. the last two GOP Secretary of State were African American (one being a women)... and now they're being accused of being misogynistic and racist??
My head hurts man... can't keep up...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/20 22:02:21
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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whembly wrote:2) Erm... he's trying to get answers out of the whole administrations... unfortunately, he felt he had to do this via speaking out on News Channel. Nothing new here...
Do you think he was more likely to get answers from the classified briefing on the subject, or from holding a press conference about how he wants answers?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/20 22:03:32
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Ouze wrote: whembly wrote:2) Erm... he's trying to get answers out of the whole administrations... unfortunately, he felt he had to do this via speaking out on News Channel. Nothing new here...
Do you think he was more likely to get answers from the classified briefing on the subject, or from holding a press conference about how he wants answers?
Evidently he thought B.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/20 22:07:08
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Ouze wrote: whembly wrote:2) Erm... he's trying to get answers out of the whole administrations... unfortunately, he felt he had to do this via speaking out on News Channel. Nothing new here...
Do you think he was more likely to get answers from the classified briefing on the subject, or from holding a press conference about how he wants answers?
I think that article is a bit misleading... I'm sure McCain was briefed eventually. But they're making it sound like he purposely missed the meeting. The article stated that it was a scheduling goof. So... much ado about nothing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/21 14:53:28
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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This guy said it more articulately...
The problem is... the goal post keeps moving...
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/11/20/the-medias-benghazi-scandal/
Over my career, I’ve tended to resist press bashing. Part of the reason for that may be that there are plenty of journalists whose work I respect and whom I’ve come to admire. But I must say that the way the press as an institution covered the 2012 presidential election was in many respects depressing—and in some respects its biases have rarely been more fully on display.
There are a dozen examples I could cite, but let me simply focus on one: The September 11 attack on the U.S. diplomatic facility in Benghazi. We witnessed a massive failure at three different stages. The first is that the U.S. ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and others asked for additional protection because of their fears of terrorist attacks. Those requests were denied—and Mr. Stevens became the first American ambassador to be murdered in more than 30 years, along with three others. The second failure was not assisting former Navy SEALS Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty when they were under attack (both were killed). The third failure was that the administration misled the American people about the causes of the attack long after it was clear to many people that their narrative was false.
Yet with a few honorable exceptions—Fox News being the most conspicuous—the press has shown no real appetite for this story. It’s not that it hasn’t been covered; it’s that the coverage has lacked anything like the intensity and passion that you would have seen had this occurred during the presidency of, say, Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush. I have the advantage of having worked in the Reagan administration during Iran-contra and the Bush White House during the Patrick Fitzgerald leak investigation—and there is simply no comparison when it comes to how the press treated these stories. The juxtaposition with the Fitzgerald investigation is particularly damning to the media. Journalists were obsessed by that story, which turned out to be much ado about nothing—Mr. Fitzgerald decided early on there were no grounds to prosecute Richard Armitage for the leak of Valerie Plame’s name—and obsessed in particular with destroying the life of the very good man who was the architect of George W. Bush’s two presidential victories (thankfully they failed in their effort to knee-cap Karl Rove).
In the Benghazi story, we have four dead Americans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/21 15:58:02
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Mrs Rice's detractors have also been blatantly accused of misogyny to the line of she shouldn't have to receive such criticism... which is horse apples really. You're a public figure and want to go toe to toe with the world, time to pony up and get some thick skin.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/21 16:41:56
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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It's really hard to take this seriously when it seems like another political witch hunt.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/21 17:34:00
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Wait, a Republican partisan hack doesn't think the media is being hard enough on the Obama administration? You don't say.
My favorite part of that piece was the hand-waving away the Valerie Plame scandal (an actual consipracy) as "much ado about nothing" and pointing out, why, they couldn't even charge Richard Armitage; while pretending that Scooter Libby wasn't convicted of 4 felonies over it. What a clown this guy is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/21 18:03:52
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Ouze wrote:
Wait, a Republican partisan hack doesn't think the media is being hard enough on the Obama administration? You don't say.
My favorite part of that piece was the hand-waving away the Valerie Plame scandal (an actual consipracy) as "much ado about nothing" and pointing out, why, they couldn't even charge Richard Armitage; while pretending that Scooter Libby wasn't convicted of 4 felonies over it. What a clown this guy is.
The Plame thing is "much ado about nothing" when compared to Bengahzi... 'cuz 4 PEOPLE DIED! That was his point.
Where's the journalistic "gusto"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/21 18:19:24
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Some could argue that using the Plame case to discredit the idea that their were no WMD's in Iraq, while arguing that those same WMD's is why we needed to invade.... might be a bigger deal.
Some could argue <shrug>.
Edit: Hard to tell, but based off the results of the last election.... I'm going with Republicans?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/21 18:55:53
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Easy E wrote:Some could argue that using the Plame case to discredit the idea that their were no WMD's in Iraq, while arguing that those same WMD's is why we needed to invade.... might be a bigger deal.
Some could argue <shrug>.
Edit: Hard to tell, but based off the results of the last election.... I'm going with Republicans?
We just want clarity... not obfuscation(sp?).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/21 19:25:08
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Yeah, this whole thing has gotten too confusing and broad for me to continue following.
Now I know why they just went ahead and blamed it on YouTube in an attempt to save time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/21 19:31:30
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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When it came out that certain pieces of information were withheld for "security reasons", I smiled a bit to myself. I figured if the CIA/DIA had any reason to suspect Al Qaeda or another extremist group, they would have deleted it from intelligence packets to prevent credit being given to them publicly. They may have over-stepped the bounds of reason by not informing the POTUS, but it was not some deep conspiracy to "wag the dog" just before an election.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 01:45:30
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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whembly wrote: Ouze wrote:
Wait, a Republican partisan hack doesn't think the media is being hard enough on the Obama administration? You don't say.
My favorite part of that piece was the hand-waving away the Valerie Plame scandal (an actual consipracy) as "much ado about nothing" and pointing out, why, they couldn't even charge Richard Armitage; while pretending that Scooter Libby wasn't convicted of 4 felonies over it. What a clown this guy is.
The Plame thing is "much ado about nothing" when compared to Bengahzi... 'cuz 4 PEOPLE DIED! That was his point.
So you're saying no one died due to our invading Iraq? The strongest argument for which was the false evidence of WMDs, which Plame and her husband spoke out against.
Yeah, no.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 02:07:37
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Seven attacks on United States embassies during the 8 years that Bush was in office, from people storming them, cars exploding in front of them, RPG's being fired at them. People died during these attacks. Where was the great nationalistic and only God-fearing news service that is dedicated to the preservation of our great union against the marxist controlled state-sponsored "news" stations during those attacks? Did they lead the cries for justice during that time as well? Edit: It also doesn't help your credibility one bit that: 1) You continue to post the most partisan non-substantiated political rants available on blogs. 2) You see shadows and conspiracy by the Obama administration behind any actions, backed up by the opinions of these political hack-jobs. 3) When McCain skips classified meetings talking about the attack in order to attent a press conference to complain about nobody holding meetings about these attacks, you brush it off like it is nothing. Despite the fact that if Obama did the exact same thing you would have 3 links to political nut-blogs talking about how this is all a conspiracy that he didn't attent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 02:18:32
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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whembly wrote:I think that article is a bit misleading... I'm sure McCain was briefed eventually. But they're making it sound like he purposely missed the meeting. The article stated that it was a scheduling goof. So... much ado about nothing?
So he supposedly cares a lot about this issue (beyond using it as a way to attack Obama), but he can't bother to pay enough attention to get his schedule right and attend important briefings? I suppose this could be true, but it means he should be removed from office for that kind of incompetence.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 03:18:04
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Mannahnin wrote: whembly wrote: Ouze wrote:
Wait, a Republican partisan hack doesn't think the media is being hard enough on the Obama administration? You don't say.
My favorite part of that piece was the hand-waving away the Valerie Plame scandal (an actual consipracy) as "much ado about nothing" and pointing out, why, they couldn't even charge Richard Armitage; while pretending that Scooter Libby wasn't convicted of 4 felonies over it. What a clown this guy is.
The Plame thing is "much ado about nothing" when compared to Bengahzi... 'cuz 4 PEOPLE DIED! That was his point.
So you're saying no one died due to our invading Iraq? The strongest argument for which was the false evidence of WMDs, which Plame and her husband spoke out against.
Yeah, no.
Wait... waaaaaait a minute... how does the invasion of Iraq get into this conversation?
Wasn't the Plame thing about "who outt'ed Plame as a CIA operative"??
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Seven attacks on United States embassies during the 8 years that Bush was in office, from people storming them, cars exploding in front of them, RPG's being fired at them. People died during these attacks. Where was the great nationalistic and only God-fearing news service that is dedicated to the preservation of our great union against the marxist controlled state-sponsored "news" stations during those attacks? Did they lead the cries for justice during that time as well?
Er... I guess you weren't paying attention then... because they were reported as terrorist attacks. Got something else?
During the Bush years, his administration was under the fething journalistic electron microscope.
All I was asking that the same electron microscope is used here...
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It also doesn't help your credibility one bit that:
I have credibility? o.O
So, I can't have an opinion?
1) You continue to post the most partisan non-substantiated political rants available on blogs.
Sigh... opinions... sure, they can be weighed, measured and found wanting... BUT IT'S A DISCUSSION!
2) You see shadows and conspiracy by the Obama administration behind any actions, backed up by the opinions of these political hack-jobs.
And how 'bout you directly answer my questions instead of trying to discredit me in every way possible?
Look... ya'll know my dislike for Obama's policy, but my biggest issue is that over the Bengahzi/Patraeus ordeal, the administration's overall response was POLICTICAL and not PRESIDENTIAL.
That is, they weighed their responses/action in a political sense, rather doing the right thing.
That bothers me... as ya'll can tell
3) When McCain skips classified meetings talking about the attack in order to attent a press conference to complain about nobody holding meetings about these attacks, you brush it off like it is nothing. Despite the fact that if Obama did the exact same thing you would have 3 links to political nut-blogs talking about how this is all a conspiracy that he didn't attent.
Wait... are you saying he purposely skipped it?
I thought it was chalked up as a scheduling error as it does seem REALLY unlikely that he'd purposely miss the meeting (him being vocal an all):
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/15/mccain-skips-benghazi-briefing-gets-testy-when-questioned-by-cnn/
While McCain refused to shed light on why he didn't show, his spokesman Brian Rogers emailed CNN a short time later with an explanation. He blamed it on a "scheduling error" but wouldn't provide any more detail.
I must admit... awfully convienent excuse. Maybe he's going senile?
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Peregrine wrote: whembly wrote:I think that article is a bit misleading... I'm sure McCain was briefed eventually. But they're making it sound like he purposely missed the meeting. The article stated that it was a scheduling goof. So... much ado about nothing?
So he supposedly cares a lot about this issue (beyond using it as a way to attack Obama), but he can't bother to pay enough attention to get his schedule right and attend important briefings? I suppose this could be true, but it means he should be removed from office for that kind of incompetence.
Right.. it does make him look bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 04:09:27
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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whembly wrote:I thought it was chalked up as a scheduling error as it does seem REALLY unlikely that he'd purposely miss the meeting (him being vocal an all):
Well sure, he (or his advisers) wouldn't be stupid enough to deliberately skip it. The more likely explanation is that he just doesn't care about the issue as anything other than an opportunity to score political points by attacking Obama, so he didn't bother paying any attention to the schedule. Automatically Appended Next Post: whembly wrote:1) You continue to post the most partisan non-substantiated political rants available on blogs.
Sigh... opinions... sure, they can be weighed, measured and found wanting... BUT IT'S A DISCUSSION!
A discussion involves posting credible sources, arguing positions backed by facts and reasonable logic, etc.
What you tend to do is just post the latest "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!" rant from some random conservative blog, often without any real commentary on it to go with the link.
That is, they weighed their responses/action in a political sense, rather doing the right thing.
And who doesn't? It's unfortunate that politicians often care more about their future career than about doing what is right, but you've had a pretty sheltered life if you think this is something unique to Obama and Benghazi.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 04:30:46
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Peregrine wrote:
That is, they weighed their responses/action in a political sense, rather doing the right thing.
And who doesn't? It's unfortunate that politicians often care more about their future career than about doing what is right, but you've had a pretty sheltered life if you think this is something unique to Obama and Benghazi.
So... you don't think we should any politician accountable in any way.
Gotcha.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 04:32:44
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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whembly wrote:So... you don't think we should any politician accountable in any way.
No, I'm saying that it's ridiculous to act like this situation is some kind of exceptional special case instead of just business as usual. Conservative outrage over this exists for exactly one reason: because it's the "enemy" doing it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 04:46:59
Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Peregrine wrote: whembly wrote:So... you don't think we should any politician accountable in any way.
No, I'm saying that it's ridiculous to act like this situation is some kind of exceptional special case instead of just business as usual. Conservative outrage over this exists for exactly one reason: because it's the "enemy" doing it.
Conservative outrage over this exists for exactly one reason: because it's the "enemy" doing it.
Okay... honest question to you then... where you cheering during the Liberial outrage during the Bush administration because he was the "enemy"?
Or... is it that you're ambivalent to all this and chalk it out as what normal politicians do?
Wait... where are you from?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 05:10:56
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Where were the Liberals calling for hearings when our embassies got attacked under Bush's administration?
I don't recall any calls for hearings under Bush's administration in regards to embassies being attacked. I barely remember any news coverage of it for that matter.
But while I'm thinking of it where were the Conservatives?
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Subject: Re:I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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whembly wrote: Mannahnin wrote: whembly wrote: Ouze wrote:Wait, a Republican partisan hack doesn't think the media is being hard enough on the Obama administration? You don't say.
My favorite part of that piece was the hand-waving away the Valerie Plame scandal (an actual consipracy) as "much ado about nothing" and pointing out, why, they couldn't even charge Richard Armitage; while pretending that Scooter Libby wasn't convicted of 4 felonies over it. What a clown this guy is.
The Plame thing is "much ado about nothing" when compared to Bengahzi... 'cuz 4 PEOPLE DIED! That was his point.
So you're saying no one died due to our invading Iraq? The strongest argument for which was the false evidence of WMDs, which Plame and her husband spoke out against.
Yeah, no.
Wait... waaaaaait a minute... how does the invasion of Iraq get into this conversation?
Wasn't the Plame thing about "who outt'ed Plame as a CIA operative"??
...and you don't remember WHY she was outed? It was to punish her and her husband (Joe Wilson) for his public criticism and debunking of the administration's claims about WMDs, including his pointing out that some of the evidence the administration, and Bush personally, touted (for example that Iraq had sought to buy Uranium in Africa) was junk. And would never have been held forward as being any sort of proof if the administration hadn't been grasping at straws to find justification for a war they desired.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair#.22What_I_Didn.27t_Find_In_Africa.22
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 05:21:36
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Kanluwen wrote:Where were the Liberals calling for hearings when our embassies got attacked under Bush's administration?
I don't recall any calls for hearings under Bush's administration in regards to embassies being attacked. I barely remember any news coverage of it for that matter.
You're missing the point.
The media investigated with gumption on the following:
-Valerie Plame outting
-Iraq War
-Abu Graib
-9/11
Need I say more?
The media... as they should... investigated these voraciously. Right?
Where are they now?
But while I'm thinking of it where were the Conservatives?
They were there... Bush certainly pissed everyone off. Automatically Appended Next Post: Mannahnin wrote: whembly wrote: Mannahnin wrote: whembly wrote: Ouze wrote:Wait, a Republican partisan hack doesn't think the media is being hard enough on the Obama administration? You don't say.
My favorite part of that piece was the hand-waving away the Valerie Plame scandal (an actual consipracy) as "much ado about nothing" and pointing out, why, they couldn't even charge Richard Armitage; while pretending that Scooter Libby wasn't convicted of 4 felonies over it. What a clown this guy is.
The Plame thing is "much ado about nothing" when compared to Bengahzi... 'cuz 4 PEOPLE DIED! That was his point.
So you're saying no one died due to our invading Iraq? The strongest argument for which was the false evidence of WMDs, which Plame and her husband spoke out against.
Yeah, no.
Wait... waaaaaait a minute... how does the invasion of Iraq get into this conversation?
Wasn't the Plame thing about "who outt'ed Plame as a CIA operative"??
...and you don't remember WHY she was outed? It was to punish her and her husband (Joe Wilson) for his public criticism and debunking of the administration's claims about WMDs, including his pointing out that some of the evidence the administration, and Bush personally, touted (for example that Iraq had sought to buy Uranium in Africa) was junk. And would never have been held forward as being any sort of proof if the administration hadn't been grasping at straws to find justification for a war they desired.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair#.22What_I_Didn.27t_Find_In_Africa.22
Dude... you're proving my point...
That was EXCELLENT investigative reporting!
Now... where is it now?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 05:35:25
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Probably looking for Bigfoot, since finding Bigfoot is about as useful of a tool for the media to be involved in as "investigating" the Benghazi attacks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 05:38:32
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Douglas Bader
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whembly wrote:The media investigated with gumption on the following:
-Valerie Plame outting
-Iraq War
-Abu Graib
-9/11
And note one key difference here: these are situations where either massive deaths occurred (the Iraq war, which makes Benghazi look trivial) and/or there was clear evidence for a deliberate conspiracy that goes well beyond "make this look good before the election" (coverups of clear criminal actions in the Abu Ghraib and Valerie Plame cases). Benghazi, on the other hand, is just a case of putting a favorable spin on an event for political gain, which isn't criminal and isn't rare.
The only reasons to make a big deal out of Benghazi are for political gain of your own, or because you're a paranoid tinfoil hatter blogging about imaginary gunships and elite commando teams begging to launch a heroic rescue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 05:41:10
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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The media did not, in general, investigate nearly enough into the Iraq war until it was already in progress. The administration successfully sold a largely fictional basis for war to the American public, and the media almost completely failed to call them out on it and fact-check until after the invasion had already happened.
In regards to investigation of the attack on the consulate, the simple fact is that our embassies and consulates get attacked with some regularity, especially in or near the Middle East, especially in the last ten years.
The American consulate in Jeddah was stormed in December 2004, and five consular employees killed, though none of them were Americans.
American diplomat David Foy was killed in the 2006 Karachi consulate bombing, which was the fourth attack at that consulate in less than five years.
The American embassy in Damascus was attacked with automatic weapons, grenades, and a car bomb on Sept 12, 2006.
Our consulate in Istanbul was hit in 2008 by armed gunmen.
19 people (but again, no Americans) died in the attack on our consulate in Sana'a, Yemen, again in 2008.
None of those, to my recollection, prompted Democratic Representatives or Senators to try to start witch hunts and indict the Bush administration for not doing more to protect them.
The only failing I've seen here so far on the Obama Administration's part has been some confused communications, specifically by Rice, in the first week or two after the attack. The idea that it's some big scandal or Watergate is pure political theater.
The timeline debunking the Fox News version of the attack timeline is also a good thing to revisit:
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/01/intelligence-official-offers-new-timeline-for-benghazi-attack/?hpt=hp_t3
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 05:46:26
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I am just enjoying the idea that Petraeus was fired to cover up his testimony.
Because being fired is totally the same as being dead, right guys?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/22 06:05:07
Subject: I don't know who's coming off worse in this Beghazi thing
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The funny thing is that the Republicans are still blaming the Administration, when it was the Intelligence people who decided what information to release. Imagine, for a second, if Obama or Rice had revealed information that endangered the investigation or intelligence sources against recommendations by the intelligence community. That would have been a scandal. Instead, they did everything by the book, and Republicans... well, they're looking for anything to take the narrative away from their election losses. Monday night, Clapper spokesman Shawn Turner said in a series of briefings for reporters that the intelligence community was solely responsible for “substantive” changes to the talking points, which were finalized on Sept. 15 – four days after the attack and one day before U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice’s controversial appearance on five Sunday talk shows, when she described the attack as spontaneous violence that grew out of protests of an anti-Islam film. Along with changing “al Qaeda” to “extremists,” the new talking points timeline stated the FBI apparently wanted a change in the language from the U.S. “knew” Islamic extremists were involved to “there are indications.” Rep. Adam Schiff of California, a senior Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told Fox News the timeline reinforces his view the changes were driven by security considerations, not politics. "To anyone who was listening, it was clear from General Petraeus and other intelligence officials who testified last week that the talking points were amended to protect classified sources of information and were not subject to any political spin by the White House or ambassador to the U.N.,” Schiff said.
At any rate, it's become a 'scandal' of semantics, not of substance. Nothing bad actually came as a result of what was said, and everything that was said was prefaced with a statement of how the facts were still under investigation.
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