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I am Johnny come lately to the thread, and it looks like it's already been beaten to death here, but, as a white guy who is completely fluent in Japanese and was an exchange student in Tokyo, and is married to a Japanese national, I thought I might add my two cents. I think it's quite simple -

1) The guy is a student, meaning he is probably about 20 years old, correct? 20 year olds tend to be ultra-liberal and easily offended and out to change the world. I remember I was like that. When I was a 20 year old, I found discrimination in everything and was more than willing to rail against it to anyone who would listen. There is certainly no shortage of racist things to get upset about in Japan... I'm sure I would have gotten butthurt over this kind of thing when I was 20 years old, too.

2) There seems to be a phenomenon that I have observed among foreign exchange students who come to the US... they absorb the ultra-liberal / anti-white attitudes of their schoolmates, and, again, find racism and discrimination in everything. This way of thinking is not common in Japan at all... there is very little in the way of "race consciousness" over there. I can't think of a single Japanese (among the hundreds that I know) who might be offended by your army. They wouldn't even give it a second thought. But, the kids come here and pick it up. Ironically, this whole concept of ultra-sensitivity to racism is a uniquely western thing.

TL;DR? This guy will grow up and get over it.

He may even one day realize that he isn't entitled to a student visa here, that his stay here really wasn't that bad, and that he was an overly-sensitive dolt. I know one former exchange student who eventually came to this realization.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Kasrkin229 wrote:
Just jumping into the WW2 aspect here , Stalin was by far worse then Hitler just had a more effective ( equally brutal ) way of doing it , WW2 Nazi Germany is filled well into the imperiums style , Cadian shock troops with their zealousness and miltary upbringing very similar to the hitler youth , Mordian Iron guard almost matching perfectly with Germany's Prussian superiority background . The inqusitions Gestapo like tactics with apprehension and dealing with heritics, xenos and the like . To say that warhammer dosnt have a Very NAZI. Influenced background is plain ignorance - More on topic if the jap is offended the. Just have him frak off , it should only be truelynoffensive if it's ment in that manner.
Just my 2 Reich marks

Imperial Guard - Just like any regular armed force -Just embiggened.

The Inquisition - Just like the Inquisition.

The Promulgation of the Imperial creed - Any secular society - Totalitarian regime.

Remember Nazi = National Socialist party ideology. There are influences form all of history in the 40k universe

I think one issue is that people use the term Nazi in several ways.


It can mean the Nazi party ideology, but it can also mean ultrastrict or totalitarian. And I think the second meaning is what is used more commonly, because it doesn't include all the truly nasty bits.

Think Soup Nazi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVqBzP0xdKk

Am I the only one that didn't believe the duelling/ancestry fight? Seems WAY to over the top to be real.

Back when I was still playing TF2, I had a spray of Christofer Lloyd as Doc Brown wearing his wealding goggles and making a 'o' face when the trashcan went up in flames. This offended someone as they thought it was from old-man porn. Upon the rest of the server hearing of the offence, the girl was quickly shouted down for not knowing who Christopher Lloyd was.

This, along with the perpetual jokes about my broke ass pancreas, basically encompases everything I have encountered and learned about "offensiveness".

In short, 2 people.

1: Person can get the joke and realize it is such.
2: Person is greately offended by the "implied insult".

I find the better (read: "not best") way to deal with such people (so long as you plan on neve rmeeting them again) is to show how they are throwing a gak storm for little reason and troll the hell out of them. WARNING: CAN LEAD TO FIGHTS. Keep calm and happy. Do your best to smile and agree with what they say ("Yah, I guess it could be taken like that"). Learn their name and call them by something close to but not it. Clamly explain the situation and ask why they are offended. (It is typically some slight against steriotypes, political standing, medical disorders or dead relatives) Explain how this was not your intention and that you would gladly correct the offense if they would simply pay the cost of the slight (in this case, an Ork army + random bits + labor). When they decline, explain why the material is not offensive; and, the only offense in the situation comes from an intolerant individual such as the offended party perceiving an offense that is not there. Continue to assert the cost of correcting the slight and that the offense is only being incorrectly inferred until the offended person either leaves or give you a lot of money. Be sure to never use their correct name.

Nazi Germany is responsible for killing estimated 6 million of Polish people, Stalin was much worse not to mention my grandfather ended up in a Soviet gulag camp and I am offended neither by Nazi Space Marines nor Red Army Imperial Guard or anything else. The Imperium is supposed to be evil or has this become Star Wars already with good guys with swords vs evil rotten guys? Political corectness has no place in 40k world, not to mention it is a mess in a real world too as this game for example has an offence to religion built in, mainstream bands wear Che Gueavara or hammer and sickle shirts but out of a sudden svastika on a landraider is bad. Please.

I think a lot of people get their panties in a bunch for nothing. I do question people who would seem to "honor" Nazi's with their work, and if someone had a Khmer Rouge army, I'd wonder about them. I also don't think it fits into the setting of 40k. 40k takes a lot of braod themes from the real world, but it doesn't get that specific. The Imperium is modeled on totalitarian regimes all over. It's also modeled on the Dark Ages in Europe, religious oppression and at the same time, the heroism and bravery of people struggling against outside forces bent on their destruction.

40K is all about those greys. No black and white here.

40K is all about those greys. No black and white here.

Greys? It's more like different shades of black, there's no "Good faction" And when they introduced one, they eventually hit grey-black, and in any other setting would be the main villain to fight, grim dark everywhere with some very occasional grey/white spots in specific individuals rather than armies.

but it doesn't get that specific

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110921042520/warhammer40k/images/b/be/5._The_Black_Templar-by_kingmong.jpg

Black Templar

http://nolabelsnolies.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/templar_plain.png


Knights Templar.

While none of the armies get very specific, some of the SC's behind them get more then a bit specific, such as the stalinesqe army getting "Free Reserves" out of conscripts, more akins to Stalins Shtrafbats army.

But those are really the closest of all the examples, nobody's going to accuse the Ultramarines of being too Roman or Blood angels being to Greek.

 Valhalla130 wrote:
I think a lot of people get their panties in a bunch for nothing. I do question people who would seem to "honor" Nazi's with their work, and if someone had a Khmer Rouge army, I'd wonder about them. I also don't think it fits into the setting of 40k. 40k takes a lot of braod themes from the real world, but it doesn't get that specific. The Imperium is modeled on totalitarian regimes all over. It's also modeled on the Dark Ages in Europe, religious oppression and at the same time, the heroism and bravery of people struggling against outside forces bent on their destruction.

Yep such an army might not fit the official fluff, but thje thread is about being offended by army theme. 40k is offensive by nature, it ripped off the gothic empire from 2000AD comics which was extremly xenophobic and facist and twisted it to be the best guys around. It mocks religion by showing masses forced to believe in a rotten corpse. Death Korps of Krieg look awesome for many people but the basis of their look is "I am the guy that finishes you off with the bayonet after throwing mustard gas at you". Noone is offended by sado maso rape and torture elves but Nazi oh no, this is wrong, that's an attitude that is beyond my comprehension. Samurai orks btw are completly innocent and a great idea btw in the light of all this, I can't get it too. If I picked themes that offend my very beliefs and traditions in 40k, I couldn't play the game at all - the nature of the game is extremes and you have to accept it, and if people accidentaly managed to force all that ingame political corectness bs on other players and GW, 40k would imo loose all its character and become medieval Mass Effect or sth, it's a bad direction and it's enough that GW already destroys it by catering to kids.

Not to mention IG is already strongly Soviet/ Nazi themed. As for Nazi armies, Wermacht/ SS although bit theatrical looked incredible with the uniforms, coats, symbolism etc, that's a strong theme and properly transforming the feel into a 40k army would be something awesome imo. It's not that 40k fluff is something that needs to be so much respected, it's a one big ripoff anyway.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Am I the only one that didn't believe the duelling/ancestry fight? Seems WAY to over the top to be real.

It doesn't matter if it's bull, it's too good of a story to dislike.

I ask the same question about this guy
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/424314-Mexi-Meganob.html

But as far as the exchange student? Welcome to America!

Plumbumbarum wrote:


Yep such an army might not fit the official fluff, but thje thread is about being offended by army theme. 40k is offensive by nature, it ripped off the gothic empire from 2000AD comics which was extremly xenophobic and facist and twisted it to be the best guys around. It mocks religion by showing masses forced to believe in a rotten corpse. Death Korps of Krieg look awesome for many people but the basis of their look is "I am the guy that finishes you off with the bayonet after throwing mustard gas at you". Noone is offended by sado maso rape and torture elves but Nazi oh no, this is wrong, that's an attitude that is beyond my comprehension. Samurai orks btw are completly innocent and a great idea btw in the light of all this, I can't get it too. If I picked themes that offend my very beliefs and traditions in 40k, I couldn't play the game at all - the nature of the game is extremes and you have to accept it, and if people accidentaly managed to force all that ingame political corectness bs on other players and GW, 40k would imo loose all its character and become medieval Mass Effect or sth, it's a bad direction and it's enough that GW already destroys it by catering to kids.

Not to mention IG is already strongly Soviet/ Nazi themed. As for Nazi armies, Wermacht/ SS although bit theatrical looked incredible with the uniforms, coats, symbolism etc, that's a strong theme and properly transforming the feel into a 40k army would be something awesome imo. It's not that 40k fluff is something that needs to be so much respected, it's a one big ripoff anyway.

I've never fully understood some of this stuff either. During people's best efforts to make me understand it, I've just mentally come up with that there's an uncanny valley for atrocities being reproduced in alternative mediums.

For example:
Fascist humans fighting wars of conquest and genocide: Fine. "Nazi's" doing it: Bad.
Races of beings that drag people off to do "bad stuff" to them behind closed doors: Fine. IG "wartime rape scene": Bad.
Tentacled horrors deranged enough to make stalwart men tremble in fear: Fine. Actually portraying it really amazingly well (see "Wet Nurse"): Bad

Not saying this is good or bad; it's simply my observations.

Offensive? This is awesome. I would like to voice my support for the suggestion that you name your War Boss after the exchange student.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Offensive? This is awesome. I would like to voice my support for the suggestion that you name your War Boss after the exchange student.

Second

If he said that to me I'd have squinted my eyes and put on a terrible japanese accent and said something like "I'm a so so sowwee".

If people want to be offended, offend them. Hyper-sensativity isn't cool.

Stop being a pussy


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Plumbumbarum wrote:
Nazi Germany is responsible for killing estimated 6 million of Polish people, Stalin was much worse not to mention my grandfather ended up in a Soviet gulag camp and I am offended neither by Nazi Space Marines nor Red Army Imperial Guard or anything else. The Imperium is supposed to be evil or has this become Star Wars already with good guys with swords vs evil rotten guys? Political corectness has no place in 40k world, not to mention it is a mess in a real world too as this game for example has an offence to religion built in, mainstream bands wear Che Gueavara or hammer and sickle shirts but out of a sudden svastika on a landraider is bad. Please.

Good post

We have a black guy at my FLGS that complains (tongue in cheek) that every (human) army is painted white, including his. So I painted a squad of my Sisters of Battle as Sistas of Battle, complete with over the top 70's afros and platform shoes. He almost died laughing, because someone took his stupid argument, sided with him, and made it even stupider. Point is, some people are cool, and some are jerks. Don't play with jerks.

 The Sarducci wrote:
We have a black guy at my FLGS that complains (tongue in cheek) that every (human) army is painted white, including his. So I painted a squad of my Sisters of Battle as Sistas of Battle, complete with over the top 70's afros and platform shoes. He almost died laughing, because someone took his stupid argument, sided with him, and made it even stupider. Point is, some people are cool, and some are jerks. Don't play with jerks.

There was an awesome black guy that joined in on our DnD shenanigans, about halfway through he said "Can I be REALLY black and have some of that watermelon you got there?" We all sprinkled racist jokes at our own expense the rest of the session. It was great times.

I don't make light of racial issues that are actually issues. Light-hearted humor isn't an issue.

 Squat Kid wrote:
I ask the same question about this guy
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/424314-Mexi-Meganob.html

But as far as the exchange student? Welcome to America!

That sombrero needs to be bigger and more Orky

The great thing about someone being offended by your army is that it is their problem. Not yours.

Your post is pretty accurate except where you say the Japanese are not racist...do a little research you will be very surprised ! Maybe not so much race, but ethnicity whoooowaw....remember in Japan there is not a racial distribution like here, if there was you can bet they would be moRE 'racist' (if it even exists) than those here

 Xenocidal Maniac wrote:
I am Johnny come lately to the thread, and it looks like it's already been beaten to death here, but, as a white guy who is completely fluent in Japanese and was an exchange student in Tokyo, and is married to a Japanese national, I thought I might add my two cents. I think it's quite simple -

1) The guy is a student, meaning he is probably about 20 years old, correct? 20 year olds tend to be ultra-liberal and easily offended and out to change the world. I remember I was like that. When I was a 20 year old, I found discrimination in everything and was more than willing to rail against it to anyone who would listen. There is certainly no shortage of racist things to get upset about in Japan... I'm sure I would have gotten butthurt over this kind of thing when I was 20 years old, too.

2) There seems to be a phenomenon that I have observed among foreign exchange students who come to the US... they absorb the ultra-liberal / anti-white attitudes of their schoolmates, and, again, find racism and discrimination in everything. This way of thinking is not common in Japan at all... there is very little in the way of "race consciousness" over there. I can't think of a single Japanese (among the hundreds that I know) who might be offended by your army. They wouldn't even give it a second thought. But, the kids come here and pick it up. Ironically, this whole concept of ultra-sensitivity to racism is a uniquely western thing.

TL;DR? This guy will grow up and get over it.

He may even one day realize that he isn't entitled to a student visa here, that his stay here really wasn't that bad, and that he was an overly-sensitive dolt. I know one former exchange student who eventually came to this realization.

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Evertras wrote:

 The Sarducci wrote:
We have a black guy at my FLGS that complains (tongue in cheek) that every (human) army is painted white, including his. So I painted a squad of my Sisters of Battle as Sistas of Battle, complete with over the top 70's afros and platform shoes. He almost died laughing, because someone took his stupid argument, sided with him, and made it even stupider. Point is, some people are cool, and some are jerks. Don't play with jerks.

There was an awesome black guy that joined in on our DnD shenanigans, about halfway through he said "Can I be REALLY black and have some of that watermelon you got there?" We all sprinkled racist jokes at our own expense the rest of the session. It was great times.

I don't make light of racial issues that are actually issues. Light-hearted humor isn't an issue.

lol at "racial issues that are actually issues"

such as affirmative action?
selective hiring for public positions that favor minorities?
Native American treaties?

or what?

jcrone2 wrote:
Stop being a pussy


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Plumbumbarum wrote:
Nazi Germany is responsible for killing estimated 6 million of Polish people, Stalin was much worse not to mention my grandfather ended up in a Soviet gulag camp and I am offended neither by Nazi Space Marines nor Red Army Imperial Guard or anything else. The Imperium is supposed to be evil or has this become Star Wars already with good guys with swords vs evil rotten guys? Political corectness has no place in 40k world, not to mention it is a mess in a real world too as this game for example has an offence to religion built in, mainstream bands wear Che Gueavara or hammer and sickle shirts but out of a sudden svastika on a landraider is bad. Please.

Good post

Thanks.

jcrone2 wrote:
Your post is pretty accurate except where you say the Japanese are not racist...do a little research you will be very surprised ! Maybe not so much race, but ethnicity whoooowaw....remember in Japan there is not a racial distribution like here, if there was you can bet they would be moRE 'racist' (if it even exists) than those here

I think maybe you misread or misunderstood what I wrote. I did not say that the Japanese are not racist.

people flip out over the dumbest things just because they can. They dont realize that all this "That offends me!" bullcrap works both ways. Me as a christian got several other religions to shut up and leave my decorations alone using this trick (as an example).

If someone seriously tries to get you to alter your army because its "offensive" im sure if you look you can find something about them equally "offensive" and they'll usually go away and forget it.

Dude look at the tallarn raiders pretty much a representation of Arab desert tribes only they are painte as white men.

Not if they're done right. Besides, the Tallarn are people who landed on, colonized and live on a desert world. Who knows that they may have started out white and over time adapted to their environment, even possibly having darker skin as a result. Not to mention that all Arabic people aren't that dark-skinned.

I usually answer this kind of question with "If you have to ask, it probably is.". In this case, I'd say you're good to go. Tough titty to the cry baby.

Fluff check- Tallarn was actually an agri-world that got bombarded by virus bombs.

There you go. I had forgotten all about that.

Desert Raiders was a good book...

Your army looks nice way to go.

The guy is just a spaz.

I was expecting something offensive but no kkk green skins no nazi Ig but ya those are not that offensive unless asian things offend you

The student visa has no authenticity to get reside here permanently. The guy will realize this thing in future.He might has to face some worse situation.Wishing good luck to him.