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I know!

I'm looking forward to waking up tomorrow and seeing what the next stretch goal will be!

 Alpharius wrote:
Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?

The KD plastic isn't bendy at all, but firm and I reckon it could take a drop from a table's height quite well.

grefven wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?

The KD plastic isn't bendy at all, but firm and I reckon it could take a drop from a table's height quite well.

Can you throw your entire Experiment of Death set out the window and see how badly it gets damaged? This is the sort of valuable information we need...

Adam mentioned via PM that he has considered having weapons cast in a different material along with the plastic minis as that seems to be their biggest failing; long straight, crisp edges, like blades.

grefven wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?

The KD plastic isn't bendy at all, but firm and I reckon it could take a drop from a table's height quite well.

That is excellent news - thank you!

 plastictrees wrote:

grefven wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Is the KD 'Plastic' soft and 'bendy', or more like GW's plastic?

The KD plastic isn't bendy at all, but firm and I reckon it could take a drop from a table's height quite well.

Can you throw your entire Experiment of Death set out the window and see how badly it gets damaged? This is the sort of valuable information we need...

Adam mentioned via PM that he has considered having weapons cast in a different material along with the plastic minis as that seems to be their biggest failing; long straight, crisp edges, like blades.

The weapons are *terrible*, really bad! They are, unlike the main piece (body) very bendy. I don't dare to bend it too much, though, as I think these slender pieces will break when bent too far.

I will not throw my belowed KD property out of the window. :p Even if I consider the plastics to be inferior they are still dear to me.

Edit: I'll try to get some decent pics of all the different pieces, both plastics and resin to compare.

Yeah, the sword is all wobbly in the Twilight Knight comparison pic :/ so I guess that wasn't my imagination after all...

 Alpharius wrote:

grefven wrote:

 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!

Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.

Interestingly enough, Adam himself doesn't agree with you!

Thanks for the pick up, choices!!
I shouldn't just buy one of each ;-)


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Hmm... might be resin (as I honestly cannot see me using these in game... these are mainly because they are so pretty!)

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Pics of the bits would be great, though!

Catyr- I mean Sedition Wars plastic, not their resin (although when both are out a comparison would be great).

Gotcha, I will say this though. If the Sedition Wars plastics are as nice as the Sedition Wars resin's I have, then anyone that buys the game is getting one of the best deals on models of all time. The resin's are some of the best models I've seen detail wise beating alot of the stuff that Forge World puts out.

Forge World is beat detail wise by many companies, including Studio McVey, Kingdom Death etc..

*goes to get out Big Game Hunter... stares at display case... proxies some metal model instead*


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On a random note, has anyone figured out what the thing is at the end of the Kickstarter Video?

My guess is 'The King' the entity that seems to run/dominate the part of the world the game is set in

but I could eaily be wrong or mis-remembering stuff

I'm interested in contributing to this Kickstarter because the models are so gorgeous and I'm really digging the 'lantern' theme.

However, I'm hesitant because of the previous gross-out type models Kingdom Death has made, like the Boob Golem. Wasn't there a model that ate penises, too?

Anyhow, is that sort of aesthetic going to feature in this game?

(I apologize if this has been asked earlier in the thread.)

 redstripe wrote:
I'm interested in contributing to this Kickstarter because the models are so gorgeous and I'm really digging the 'lantern' theme.

However, I'm hesitant because of the previous gross-out type models Kingdom Death has made, like the Boob Golem. Wasn't there a model that ate penises, too?

Anyhow, is that sort of aesthetic going to feature in this game?

(I apologize if this has been asked earlier in the thread.)

Adam has stated that the Wet Nurse will not feature in this game. I assume that minis like the Grandmother will not be making an appearance either.

Yeah, he's taking a more conservative approach with the actual boxed game. Those models are still available direct, which imo is a great compromise- but more importantly a smart business decision on his part, by going with the models that have the broadest appeal.

The exception to this is the scantily clad models that are optional purchases- but that also is a fine compromise, imo, as they're optional and so folks that aren't interested just won't pick them up, and they won't be part of the boxed game.

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, he's taking a more conservative approach with the actual boxed game. Those models are still available direct, which imo is a great compromise- but more importantly a smart business decision on his part, by going with the models that have the broadest appeal.

Yup, last thing we would want is another tentacle bento...

Anyways on the fence about this. Maybe I'll wait to see the actual gameplay/more stretches for Civilization Monster Hunter Dark Souls: The possibly erp Boardgame

$400k is done and Aya is in.

There will be another large monster expansion at $500k Adam has said he has 3 to 5 more large monsters designed/planned. It remains to be seen what comes in between awaiting update.

Alright, I've snapped a few photos. Unfortunately, they aren't the best because of me lacking skills to actually take good photos. Anyway, I think that they can be enhanced slightly by someone who knows a little about photoshop, so I was thinking if I can mail the pictures to someone that can touch up my mistakes and then upload them here?

Do I got any volunteers?

Depends on what you mean by "touch up."

Dunno, but supposedly there are tricks to use to make photos "better". I'm just an amateur snapping a few in quite poor light, etc. Dunno if it possible to zoom in in an image editor to get better views and so forth.

 kenshin620 wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, he's taking a more conservative approach with the actual boxed game. Those models are still available direct, which imo is a great compromise- but more importantly a smart business decision on his part, by going with the models that have the broadest appeal.

Yup, last thing we would want is another tentacle bento...

I don't think there is a danger of that. Kingdom Death neither places the player into the "role" of a creepy sexual predator, nor does it's style of cheesecake evoke the "under-18" feel that give Soda Pop Products their (alleged) pedophile appeal.

It wasn't boobs that got Tentacle Bento into trouble.

I've sent you a PM, I'll see what I can do. I can't guarantee a miracle, but hopefully I can make them come out better.

Nice. The next stretch goal (425,000) adds stone face base inserts to the core box. It's nice to see we also get armour kit compatible versions of Aya's equipment, including the cards to use them in game.

@RiTides, There are many options ahead of me and a few ways the box and its contents can be produced. I don't feel it should be made "secret". Right now, it is most likely that I will work with the same folks who do PP's PVC and Super Dungeon Explore. I have been having a lot of Chat's with Ed Forte of Troll Forged and we are hoping we can figure something out together. Even if its not the entire boxed set, we might work on the optional figures in plastic. I can't comment any further then that, I can say I like Ed a lot!

Excellent the base inserts are being added thanks for listening to our requests Adam.

I think that sounds like a good compromise to do the optional figures in Trollcast and the box set in PVC there's just no way Ed can take on all that extra work now but if he only had to do 10 to 15 miniatures for you that might work and the quality would be higher.

Alright, gonna try this. Dont hang me if it doesn't work.

Sorry, I couldn't get the images to work directly here in the forum, so I have to link them to a free imagehosting server.

These are a few comparison shots between plastic and resin. I apology for the poor images, but I've done my best.

I'll try to break the biggest difference down in word, too, to illuminate the differences even further.

Plastic left, resin right. The biggest difference is the sharpness of the details. None of the details have been lost in the plastics, but they aren't as sharp or clear. The studs on the belt, the snirkly thingies on the breasts are very soft, as are the very edges of the armours, in particular the boots.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ovha3

Plastic left, resin right. Same thing as with the picture above. The studs on the belt and the sharpness of the armour being the main differences.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/lduwm

Resin left, plastic right. This is the picture where the differences really come out. The resin (this time on the left for some reason) has really crisp and clear details on the face. You can see how sharp the eyes, nose, mouth, etc. are on the resin, while on the plastic it is very soft and unclear. On the resin (not visable on the photo, though) you can see the eyes on both sides of the nose, while on the plastics, the eye concealed beneath the hood is very bad. Another big difference is the hair, where the resin show clear "brads" and "cuts" (whatever it's called in English) over the entire hair, while on the plastics they aren't visible at all.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/z7a1k

Plastic left, resin right. Here you can see the problems with the extremely thin parts. The plastic sword is messy, round edges and have warped in all directions (up, down, right, left) while the resin is in better shape with a lot better details. You can also see it on the hands, where the resin clearly show the different fingers while the plastic doesn't. Same thing with the hilt.
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/pykhy

All in all, obviously the plastic is good enough for gaming. The plastic is quite stiff (apart from the thinest of the sword which is extremely bendy and easy to snap) and can take a drop without breaking, where as the resin too is stiff, but it breaks much easier than the plastics, and shouldn't be used for gaming at all.

You want to use [.img] [./img] tags (remove the period, of course).

That didn't work, it just showed a wierd broken image instead.

@Buzzsaw, thats a photo of resin parts.
@Lanslrlll, you know now that I think about it. Resins are not for painters, or for gamers. They are for people that appreciate miniature sculptures as an art form. I don't paint my resins, think they are just GORGEOUS naked. Naked Resin, yes please!
@Zweischneld, oh gawd… do you think that by trying to support my boutique resin fans and actually make the plastic box game I've… opened a new "premium" door on kickstarter! Not the intention!
@Alpharius, omg please can I see a Flower Knight demon prince when your all done with him? That would be just so damn awesome! Also zombicide was WAY more fun then I expected it. I backed it cuz I'm cool with dave ( cool with cool mini hehe ) and well, it's solid.
@Breotan, Wyrd is using some form of ABS I think. I tried to reach out to them about it but for one reason or another we never connected. My favorite model of theirs is SnowStorm! But he is a strange resin.
@Grefven, we are in communication! I have a fantasy about slapping a big ole MADE IN THE USA sticker on the box, how badass would that be? PVC is much better for organic shapes. ABS needs to be super flat, all on one plane. It also does not hold detail well on the sides of a part. GW really push the limits on their ABS plastic, its amazing how technical they get with the figures. Space Hulk and their new Dark Veng box has some really amazing pieces. Sadly, that is not something I as a singular entity can hope to break into! ABS is the most expensive of the plastics in terms of building tools and I would need a super badass to master all the molds. Don't forget this is currently a one man operation.

The Twilight Knight Sword is ultra slim. Like 0.4mm thick where a normal mini sword is closer to 1mm or even 1.5 in the center. I didn't alter it because I wanted to see how it would turn out so I could adjust future designs for the material.

That being said, If I can manage it, I'd like to have all the weapons made in a harder plastic. Maybe ABS, while the organic body parts would be PVC.

 kingdomdeath wrote:

@Zweischneld, oh gawd… do you think that by trying to support my boutique resin fans and actually make the plastic box game I've… opened a new "premium" door on kickstarter! Not the intention!

Only time will tell.

Doing "Kickstarter-exclusives" obviously has a long tradition already. I don't think that shift is all that large. Maybe I am overestimating things because I only became aware of the "market" for boutique resin miniatures for dedicated painters and collectors through your Kickstarter. But I think there might be people who'd take your boutique line as inspiration.

Not all miniature makers/companies will want to do it, setting people aside to do a boutique line like that, etc.. . But I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few more fundraisers with limited pledges for "collectors resins" or something of that sort, even if it's on a smaller scale than your line. It's an hypothesis. It might well be wrong.

Thanks for the information, it's interesting to hear the thought process that goes into something like this

 kingdomdeath wrote:
@RiTides, There are many options ahead of me and a few ways the box and its contents can be produced. I don't feel it should be made "secret". Right now, it is most likely that I will work with the same folks who do PP's PVC and Super Dungeon Explore. I have been having a lot of Chat's with Ed Forte of Troll Forged and we are hoping we can figure something out together. Even if its not the entire boxed set, we might work on the optional figures in plastic. I can't comment any further then that, I can say I like Ed a lot!

The Twilight Knight Sword is ultra slim. Like 0.4mm thick where a normal mini sword is closer to 1mm or even 1.5 in the center. I didn't alter it because I wanted to see how it would turn out so I could adjust future designs for the material.

That being said, If I can manage it, I'd like to have all the weapons made in a harder plastic. Maybe ABS, while the organic body parts would be PVC.

Adam / Kingdom Death- Thank you VERY MUCH for the replies! I try to be as objective as possible and give constructive criticism, but you have put my mind at ease!

I have many of the PP plastics and am happy with them, as well as having seen Super Dungeon Explore in-person. If you are using the same source for the PVC parts then that definitely eases my concern.

Additionally, it is fantastic to hear that you are well aware / have already thought through the issues with the very thin parts in this material, and are thinking of possible alternative solutions to create the best possible product. Trollcast may indeed be an option for weapon bits, especially since your timeline is after his own KS.

The base inserts are also exactly what I'd been hoping for... Wow . You must have already had that planned, but it was something many of us were asking for, so you either read our minds ahead of time, or you reacted really fast!