Kingdom Death : Monster - Official Kickstarter Thread

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**Lansirill**

Okay, I'm sorely tempted to reply to the 'too big for their britches' comments but, meh, why? (Well, except to reply by saying that I'm not replying... I have to give my compulsions *some* love.)

I'm digging the dung beetle, although I have two concerns about it:

The detail on the knight's armor is great, but I worry if it's the kind of detail that won't translate well into plastic. It's already fairly soft and faint, which looks good, but I wonder if plastic will leave it looking simply uneven rather than... veined/cracked

The face on the dung ball is killer, but what about the back? The body of the Gorm was a real deal breaker for me, and I wonder if the ball will be as mediocre. The knight itself is solid enough that I don't think it'd stop me from buying, but the quality of most of the KD stuff is high enough that any slips *really* show.

I'm pretty sure Santa Speaker Nico is going to be joining my pledge. I seem to be liking about 1 out of every 2 or 3 of the pinups that come out (in the KS and previously) and this is one of the hits for me. Maybe I can make a KD-themed nativity scene. Hm... how are we supposed to send Adam wishlist items again?

Can't wait to see some close-ups of Spiderman. Looks like it should be some quality back-of-the-skull horror.

**Grot 6**

grefven wrote:
Grot 6 wrote:
Thank you for your response. I appreceate your position, and hope it goes well for you.

My issues/ concerns with the project are that you will end up having to rely on CMON to the extent that they are eventually going to take over the property and you end up outgunned and overwhelmed by a corperate entity.
One that on the surface seems quite happy on riding coat tails of one or two man operations who are struggleing through the actions, then taking credit where it isn't due on the conclusions of popular kickstarter projects.

If my issues with this project are unreasonable, I'm sorry to have brought them up.

They sound quite unreasonable to me. It would be like saying that I won't support the KD KS because the world will end 21th december.

Your post needs explanation. I don't get how it is supposed to be clever, entertaining, or funny.

How so?

**Catyrpelius**

Grot 6 wrote:
Thank you for your response. I appreceate your position, and hope it goes well for you.

My issues/ concerns with the project are that you will end up having to rely on CMON to the extent that they are eventually going to take over the property and you end up outgunned and overwhelmed by a corperate entity.
One that on the surface seems quite happy on riding coat tails of one or two man operations who are struggleing through the actions, then taking credit where it isn't due on the conclusions of popular kickstarter projects.

If my issues with this project are unreasonable, I'm sorry to have brought them up.

Personally I'd rather see CMoN handle the back end of the project then see it get lost to delays due to the good intentions of a one man operation.

I don't think your issues are unreasonable. Unfortunatly if you dig deep enough into almost any entity you can find some dirt.

**BrookM**

Only problem I have with CMoN regarding their projects is a severe lack of post-project communications.

**grefven**

Grot 6 wrote:
grefven wrote:
Grot 6 wrote:
Thank you for your response. I appreceate your position, and hope it goes well for you.

My issues/ concerns with the project are that you will end up having to rely on CMON to the extent that they are eventually going to take over the property and you end up outgunned and overwhelmed by a corperate entity.
One that on the surface seems quite happy on riding coat tails of one or two man operations who are struggleing through the actions, then taking credit where it isn't due on the conclusions of popular kickstarter projects.

If my issues with this project are unreasonable, I'm sorry to have brought them up.

They sound quite unreasonable to me. It would be like saying that I won't support the KD KS because the world will end 21th december.

Your post needs explanation. I don't get how it is supposed to be clever, entertaining, or funny.

How so?

There is nothing that would indicate KD to have to rely on CMoN so much that they will take over the property. KD has successfully build up its business over several years without CMoN and it now turnover enough money for Adam to dedicate fulltime on it. To me, you are just jumping on your own conclutions based on nothing but your own predictions without anything substantial to back it up. Thus, your issues sound to me quite unreasonable, which also my saying that I wouldn't support the KD KS because of the world will end 21th december. Just because you are saying something doesn't make it true, you know.

**RiTides**

BrookM wrote:
Only problem I have with CMoN regarding their projects is a severe lack of post-project communications.

Right, so this arrangement may in fact be the best of both worlds

I just wish the info had come out sooner / been laid out from the start. But now that it's out, imo, that's the end of it.

But I also think it will be good to see how many KS CMON is fulfilling (along with how many extended rewards into next year they need to fulfill from things like the later phases of Zombiecide, Sedition Wars, Guilds of Cadwallon, and the rumored upcoming Confrontation Kickstarter of theirs.

**Zweischneid**

RiTides wrote:

But I also think it will be good to see how many KS CMON is fulfilling (along with how many extended rewards into next year they need to fulfill from things like the later phases of Zombiecide, Sedition Wars, Guilds of Cadwallon, and the rumored upcoming Confrontation Kickstarter of theirs.

No need to bother with the rumored ones. CMON's officially doing it for Rivet Wars, as well as their own Wrath of Kings in early 2013. Probably more. And those are only the ones where the "news" have been released.

**Krinsath**

Yeah, even with the explanation it was a fairly weak analogy on the end of the world.

Grot has reasons for not backing the KickStarter, and while you can feel free to disagree with him on the strength of those reasons at the end of the day the value of a project is in the eye of the beholder. It's his money to do with as he sees fit, and he has said that this project doesn't fit any longer. How an individual spends their money is up to the subjective truths of the individual, not an objective threshold of "it's ok to pull your money out when..." that we all agree on. Adam cannot force people to buy his product, nor should he run around chasing every backer he can. Some people just don't want to be involved for whatever reason and that is their right.

Would it have been better in this case to just withdraw backing without saying anything? Yes, especially since it appears to be a case where there's nothing to be done to fix the issue. CMON is involved with the KS now, no matter how tangentially, and if their involvement at all is a deal-breaker then the deal is broken. Leave and move on. If it had been something that Adam might have been able to correct that would make it work, such as letting you swap armor kits, then it's worth posting. Adam has said that example isn't feasible for him, but if enough people said that they would pledge or enlarge their pledge then it might sway him to look into options.

**Dentry**

Let's continue on with the relevant topic.

With that in mind, there was a post that took a stab at describing more potential game elements on the KS comments section. It's an interesting read:

Götz Kirchhauser
@people who want to know more about gameplay - I got bored and took a closer look at the video again. I already figured out, how arranging the gear cards influences the survivors abilities (In case you missed that click on my profile and search my comments) Adam confirmed that one. I identified another color for the little squares that do the customizing. We also have green - so that's a minimum of 3 different colors now.
There were said to be two different kinds of resources: basic and monster-specific. Examples for basic resources: hide, bone, monster organ. Example for monster specific resources: white fur (from the white lion)
There are several things that can be done with resources:
1. some are consumable (e.g. monster organ - I have no idea, what consuming them does, other, that there is a 10% chance of catching a parasite)
2. you can craft gear with them at different settlement locations
3. you can upgrade (and presumably build) said settlement locations (Not all settlement locations seem to be upgradable)
4. you can trade them in for innovation cards at the Lantern Hoard
Settlement locations:
The basic game comes at least with:
1. Lantern Hoard kind of hard to read but it seems you can trade resources for innovation here.
2. Organ grinder seems to be the most basic craft - fashions trinkets out of organs and sometimes one other resource. Location is upgradable.
3. Skinworker - fashions 5 different pieces of rawhide armor out of one hide each as well as a weapon (whip) and a trinket (drum) out of one hide and one bone each. Location is upgradable.
4. Bone Smith - fashions 3 different hand to hand weapons, one ranged weapon and one peace of armor (skull helmet) out of bone (and in some cases one other resource). Location is upgradable. Interesting: The helmet can be fashioned out of either 2x bone or one skull.
5. Leatherworker - can produce leather (hard to read but presumably out of skin resources), can fashion 5 different pieces of leather armor out of leather (and in some cases other resources), as well as a shield, a weapon and a trinket. Appears not to be upgradable.
6. Catarium - this is where armor and other equipment is crafted out of lion specific resources. Again, we get 5 pieces of Lion Armor and 8 weapons/trinkets. Appears not to be upgradable.
Gear:
There seem to be 4 types of gear: armor, weapons, shields and trinkets (that's what I call them). There seem to be different classes of weapons e.g. dagger and sword. There are also ranged weapons. I have no idea, if there is a limit how many weapons a survivor my carry. There are 5 locations for armor arms, legs, torso, waist and head. Presumably only one piece of armor can be worn per location. There seems to be no limit to trinkets (other than the maximum of 9 gear cards). Probably a survivor can use only one shield. I identified an Item to be a cloak - no idea, if that counts as a piece of armor or a trinket.
Adam stated that the items in a survivors possession auto repair after a showdown - HOWEVER, there are items that are labeled as frail. These items have a chance to be destroyed in an encounter. After a showdown roll a D10 and if you fail the roll specified on the gear card the item is destroyed (discard the gear card)
As you all can see, there's quite a bit of information, if you only look hard enough

**squall018**

That is quite a bit of information that I would NEVER have gathered just from looking at some videos. Thanks for posting that!

**kingdomdeath**

@Albino Squirrel

I have several partners lined up, but I have yet to finalize anything. I must ensure that fulfillment happens smoothly and that means doing a lot of homework both before during and after the kickstarter.

**Alpharius**

Considering the time you've allotted yourself (not due to ship until November 2013!), I have confidence in you on this!

EDIT:

Also, $700K hit!

**squall018**

Just saw we hit 700k. That was quick!

**Fafnir**

RiTides wrote:
Buzzsaw wrote:
Adam, thank you so much for taking the time to communicate with the community, it's much appreciated!

Whether your extensive answer is satisfactory to people with issues I cannot say, but one thing that becomes crystal clear from your situation is the scale of the task ahead of you. Looking at Kicktraq, it's very likely that (presuming steady growth and the usual ending uptick), it's entirely possible that in autumn of 2013, Kingdom Death (that is, you) will be in a position to pack and ship as many orders in a short time as through the entirety of the rest of KD's existence.

Don't envy you that job, heh.

I too really appreciate the thorough response.

However, from what you said about fulfillment and packing center, etc, it sounds as if you've been leaning towards having CMON do this for some time, and are even planning on it, unless something changes.

This is fine, I just wish you'd been upfront about that aspect. It makes it much more like a Sedition Wars type campaign on the back end. Which again, is fine. I do wonder, though, if the idea was to avoid "CMON Kickstarter fatigue" by not mentioning that they will likely be doing fulfillment at the start.

Facts are good, thank you for the informative post on your (still evolving) plans! More information sooner is Always better, so it's good to reveal this now instead of after the campaign ends.

I think that using CMON wasn't really something that he intended on doing until the KS became so ridiculously large. I would imagine that, had it stayed to the small level he expected, he could have taken care of it personally.

**Dentry**

Been working on a pledge calculator and decided to post it. Let me know if there's anything missing or if you have any suggestions.

I'd also recommend downloading it to make changes.

You can find it here.

**DaveC**

Spidicules is in $40 expansion with the Silk Armour kit.

Next up Savior at $725k with a $40 expansion to fund her that should get done today

Adam seems to be making these graphics longer and longer

**scarletsquig**

That's spidiculous!

**Absolutionis**

I love the dichotomy between the horrific angler-spider-man-abomination and the pretty-looking Arabian Noble silk armor.

**DaveC**

Creator Kingdom Death 1 minute ago
The 725K goal will be a survivor level upgrade! There is also a bit more behind it, but I'll explain when the time comes.

**Alpharius**

Excellent!

I can appreciate another 'freebie', and so can my wallet!

**lucasbuffalo**

A bit sad to not see a silky pin up :(

**cincydooley**

Can anyone save and relink these pictures? For whatever reason, they're no longer working for me on KS. Different image host?

**Zweischneid**

lucasbuffalo wrote:
A bit sad to not see a silky pin up :(

Going by the previous patterns, I am pretty sure that this is what the 725K goal will be.

**cincydooley**

Just for clarification: All Pin-Ups will be available later, correct? I really have to put a hard limit on this thing for myself or it will spiral into oblivion.

**Alpharius**

I think most of the Pin Ups from this campaign will be available later, but best to check to be sure.

Also, it looks as if the $725K model is the "Savior", and not a Spidecules Pin Up?

So, this model?

Seems to match the silhouette...

**Fafnir**

Zweischneid wrote:
lucasbuffalo wrote:
A bit sad to not see a silky pin up :(

Going by the previous patterns, I am pretty sure that this is what the 725K goal will be.

Nope. The 724k goal is most definitely a reissue of the old Saviour model. What's more, this model and whatever expansion is included with it will be automatically included in any Survivor packages at no additional cost.

This is the Saviour.

**Zweischneid**

Ahh. To bad. Would've loved a "free" pin-up

**The Fragile Breath**

Perhaps the silk armor pin-up could be free with Spidicules like the Regeneration Suit with the Gorm expansion? It's a stretch, I'll admit, but you never know. On the topic of Spidicules, the expansion looks awesome, loving the silk armor.

**greywulf**

I'm guessing the pinup will be coming at the 750k mark.

**grefven**

I am a bit disappointed if it is the Savior that is the next stretch goal. Why not use the money from this KS to actually commission new miniatures? There is a year until the expected shipping, and so much more could be done rather than re-using older items.

This stretch is a bit meh for me. :/