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Ed really is a craftsman

Hope this features in the KS (or in Trollforged in the KD store soon)

 DaveC wrote:
interesting post by Ed from Trollforged on his KS update:

Hey everyone I wanted you to see a few samples we cast last week for us and also other possible clients. These are samples mind you quickly rushed but gives everyone the idea how these will work and look when finished. It also shows how planning can prevent a lot of issues in the casting process. I picked a very delicate sculpt from Kingdom Death (Hope Adam does not mind), and a very thick odd shaped base. This shows you more how everything will look. My sculpts are being done with the process in mind directly and will be some of the best around because of this.

Full update here: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/131182444/assimilation-alien-host/posts/375725

Pin Up Preacher test piece in Trollcast.



Looks very promising and I hope they can work together as it seems Ed has plans to further expand his business next year.

Yeah, if Adam ends up using Ed / Trollforged for ALL the casting I'm going to end up wanting way more of these minis than I had originally planned! I would definitely be much more excited about something like what is shown above, than what is seen in the "Experiment of Death" box and pics shown earlier in the thread.

Awesome . However, at the scale KD would need Ed would have to hire a significant number of people, so it'll be interesting to see if he is involved if it ends up being for all the casting, or just weapons as mentioned by Adam previously, etc.

I had sent Ed a message through Kickstarter asking for a few pics of Tre's stuff, but apparently all the casts already shipped... getting this sample shown is pretty sweet bonus though

 scipio.au wrote:
My Christmas Wish is for a well-laid out pictograph map of what you get in the base game and Survivor. Like the ones Unca McVey made.

Is this not good enough for you? The link is from the KD main KS page just below the game play video.
http://kingdomdeath.com/ks_images/kingdomdeathv750.jpg

There is also Adam's full text breakdown of the $100 game box.
http://kingdomdeath.com/ks_images/text-box-contents.jpg

*gasp* antalas, how dare you use common sense and logic!

does anybody know when the survivor stretch goal rewards have been given? from reading this forum it sounds like there has only been 1 reward in the last $400,000.00 made? and that was in the last week.... due to people complaining.... is that right?! if so what sort of stretch goal system is that? i think some people on here are right - this looks really unfair, and not what was promised by the owner of kingdom death. im thinking of putting my money into the next interesting KS arriving on the 1st jan now instead of keeping it in this one.

i think its important for someone in the know to update the new pic list with the details as to when each thing was released / earned - theres no way of knowing the real deal as to how KD has progressed, and how people have been thanked for their money - be it by being given stretch goals or by being offered the unique chance of buying yet more $40 sets to make the $100 full game actually complete....

you can probably tell from that that im in the slightly narked off group of investors

DB, look at the picture posted about two posts before your's.

Everything that isn't 'The Core Game', Paul, Aya, Adam, Anna, and a T-Shirt were stretch goal additions.

Although, weren't Paul and Aya stretch goals too?

Edit: I feel like this gets discussed every two pages. Adam has already given us a lot for the Survivor level, keep in mind the point of kickstarter is for us to help him fund his game, we get some sweet stuff for helping out, but it's not all about us. At least, that's my perception of kickstarter.

 Cyporiean wrote:
DB, look at the picture posted about two posts before your's.

Everything that isn't 'The Core Game', Paul, Aya, Adam, Anna, and a T-Shirt were stretch goal additions.

thanks for that - but that shows my worry to be correct - there has not been more than 1 stretch goal in the last $400,000.00 made by kingdom death - is that fair to everyone who believed the whole 'stretch goal' point that survivor was supposed to be?

DB wrote:

i think its important for someone in the know to update the new pic list with the details as to when each thing was released / earned - theres no way of knowing the real deal as to how KD has progressed, and how people have been thanked for their money - be it by being given stretch goals or by being offered the unique chance of buying yet more $40 sets to make the $100 full game actually complete....

Or you could, you know, read the updates?


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DB wrote:

thanks for that - but that shows my worry to be correct - there has not been more than 1 stretch goal in the last $400,000.00 made by kingdom death - is that fair to everyone who believed the whole 'stretch goal' point that survivor was supposed to be?

Um, define fair? Not every stretch goal is free. Instead, they're discounted expansions. Not to mention the contents of the box have almost doubled.

DB wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
DB, look at the picture posted about two posts before your's.

Everything that isn't 'The Core Game', Paul, Aya, Adam, Anna, and a T-Shirt were stretch goal additions.

thanks for that - but that shows my worry to be correct - there has not been more than 1 stretch goal in the last $400,000.00 made by kingdom death - is that fair to everyone who believed the whole 'stretch goal' point that survivor was supposed to be?

Did he ever say that Survivor was the 'Set it and forget it' level?

DB wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
DB, look at the picture posted about two posts before your's.

Everything that isn't 'The Core Game', Paul, Aya, Adam, Anna, and a T-Shirt were stretch goal additions.

thanks for that - but that shows my worry to be correct - there has not been more than 1 stretch goal in the last $400,000.00 made by kingdom death - is that fair to everyone who believed the whole 'stretch goal' point that survivor was supposed to be?

Also the Savior - which was a free, recent addition, and the free Twilight Knight he gave everyone (not just Survivor+) last night as a Christmas present.

 gunslingerpro wrote:

DB wrote:

i think its important for someone in the know to update the new pic list with the details as to when each thing was released / earned - theres no way of knowing the real deal as to how KD has progressed, and how people have been thanked for their money - be it by being given stretch goals or by being offered the unique chance of buying yet more $40 sets to make the $100 full game actually complete....

Or you could, you know, read the updates?


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DB wrote:

thanks for that - but that shows my worry to be correct - there has not been more than 1 stretch goal in the last $400,000.00 made by kingdom death - is that fair to everyone who believed the whole 'stretch goal' point that survivor was supposed to be?

Um, define fair? Not every stretch goal is free. Instead, they're discounted expansions. Not to mention the contents of the box have almost doubled.

no disrespect mate but you are missing my point again - you are right - but that lot happened $400,000.00 ago....... whats happened between $400,000.00 and $800,000.00 about survivor stretch goals - is what i meant ... it appears that theres been only 1 actual single figure reward for SURVIVOR pledgers (the savior), with lots of 'buy more' expansions.

 The Fragile Breath wrote:


keep in mind the point of kickstarter is for us to help him fund his game, we get some sweet stuff for helping out, but it's not all about us. At least, that's my perception of kickstarter.

agreed bud - but he needed $35,000.00 for that - everything else is just gravy , $35,000.00 to $400,000.00 achieved all the free 25 figs t shirt etc and some 'additional spend' figs - so it looks like $400,000.00 to $800,000.00 has only afforded a few new 'additional spend' figures, and 2 free figs (1 survivor fig (the savior) and 1 general free fig (the chrimbo gift from last night))

does that make sense?

DB wrote:

 gunslingerpro wrote:

DB wrote:

i think its important for someone in the know to update the new pic list with the details as to when each thing was released / earned - theres no way of knowing the real deal as to how KD has progressed, and how people have been thanked for their money - be it by being given stretch goals or by being offered the unique chance of buying yet more $40 sets to make the $100 full game actually complete....

Or you could, you know, read the updates?


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DB wrote:

thanks for that - but that shows my worry to be correct - there has not been more than 1 stretch goal in the last $400,000.00 made by kingdom death - is that fair to everyone who believed the whole 'stretch goal' point that survivor was supposed to be?

Um, define fair? Not every stretch goal is free. Instead, they're discounted expansions. Not to mention the contents of the box have almost doubled.

no disrespect mate but you are missing my point again - you are right - but that lot happened $400,000.00 ago....... whats happened between $400,000.00 and $800,000.00 about survivor stretch goals - is what i meant ... it appears that theres been only 1 actual single figure reward for SURVIVOR pledgers (the savior), with lots of 'buy more' expansions.

Not to pile on, but the notion that there is some base pledge level where things simply get added on and on (ala Reaper's Bones campaign) is by no means universal. The campaign I would consider the single best example of what kickstarter can achieve is Dreamforge games, which gave people... uh, 2 free figures?

You also have to realize, when you get into the thousands of backers like this has, adding anything is a tremendous expense. Just consider the Twilight Knight gift: assuming an end around 5,000 backers, that's around $75,000 worth of product he's going to be sending out. Now, it's certainly a lot less then that in terms of the cost to him, but it's no small sum because it not only needs to be produced, shipped, then repacked and shipped again. This is why when you look at the stretch goals for Reaper's Bones, the additions to the Vampire pledge level started getting really far apart, and started including things like free PDF's.

 Cyporiean wrote:
DB, look at the picture posted about two posts before your's.

Everything that isn't 'The Core Game', Paul, Aya, Adam, Anna, and a T-Shirt were stretch goal additions.

This is incorrect- Adam, Anna, and the T-shirt are listed in the Survivor pledge level description (just look on the right of the Kickstarter page). They were included since Day 1. Paul and Aya were stretch additions, however.

And while I completely agree with Buzzsaw that a KS is not at all obligated to make a "sweet spot" pledge level where freebies are added, Adam actually stated that that's what the Survivor level would be (paraphasing: "the level to get most of the stretch rewards"). It is in fact that, as is Herald of Death, as is the base box game and really any pledge if you want the Twilight Knight

Basically, I can see both sides and don't think it's worth fighting about. People will vote with their wallets, and most are voting "yes". If I knew for a fact (as it's still a huge unknown) that Adam were going with Trollforged instead of Super Dungeon Explore-type plastic, I'd say it's a much better deal. As it is, it just really depends on the quality of the figures whether it's a good deal or not (imo) and of course the game.

Many people have faith that Adam will deliver on both aspects. For me, if the game turns out to be good I'll pay more and buy it then or if the gameplay doesn't appeal to me but the plastic does, I can buy the figures I like when they're available or failing BOTH of those, I can hunt down a few resins for a better quality. There's no way to know until he reveals more details, so it's going to be a bit of a shot in the dark based on what you know so far... just like most kickstarters.

There's already quite a tremendous amount of value in just the boxed game alone. Why complain that you're not getting enough freebies?

Anyway, I would certainly cast my vote for Trollforged, if it's possible.

DB wrote:

no disrespect mate but you are missing my point again - you are right - but that lot happened $400,000.00 ago....... whats happened between $400,000.00 and $800,000.00 about survivor stretch goals - is what i meant ... it appears that theres been only 1 actual single figure reward for SURVIVOR pledgers (the savior), with lots of 'buy more' expansions.

I promise you, I fully understand what your point is. It's just not a rather good one.

RITides made the point that Survivor was supposed to be the 'get the most rewards' level. And it is, except for maybe Herald of Death, which is a price point, not a pledge level.

You seem to believe that (More money raised = more free additions to the Survivor level). While that was the initial focus, (and, it can be argued, the recent focus with two new additions), the focus of the Kickstarter now well beyond the funding achievement has seemingly shifted to expanding the model line and universe. It's a stretch goal, not a stretch reward.

A most disturbing (and amazing) update appears!

800K on Christmas Day! 850k Stretch Goal here We Go!
Update #36 · Dec. 26, 2012 · 5 comments

Good (late) evening everyone!

I will try my best to be brief, as the holiday gift update got a bit long winded. I hope everyone whom is celebrated the holidays is having a wonderful time, eating plenty and playing with lots of new toys.

The Wii U has been a shocking hit around these parts, no one expected to be yet, I can hear everyone yelling at it from across the apartment!

The Sunstalker is a monster that can "swim" through light. A known technique to hunt these dangerous entity is to travel with a strongly dyed piece of fabric and monitor it closely for strange color shifts and desaturation patterns. Ancient Sunstalkers will sleep for centuries at a time, floating high in the sky and pulse with vibrant rays of light as they slowly and deeply breath. The expansion comes with rules for starting out as a tribe of humans that worship an ancient sunstalker much like people of our history worshiped the sun. By doing so your starting settlement setup will be different, as will your final goal and you can earn access to the People of the Sun gear list. In addition to an Adult Sunstalker Miniature and the Sunstalker Armor kits, I'll be including a unique Priest ( not picture as of yet ) & Miko. These two miniatures will not be armor kit compatible, as they are unique ceremonial characters and the tribe does not allow their outfit to be mixed with other armor sets.

I am still working on the second gameplay video, I still cannot offer a firm date on when it will be complete, but I can promise everyone it will be before the campaign ends. Everyone is on vacation right now so slowed things down more then I initially expected.

I have only 2 more gameplay expansion planned! If there is more demand for gameplay content after that, I'll have to get very creative as the production pipeline is pretty much pack! Adding any more large content will make the nov 2013 date nearly impossible to hit and I will really have to be extra careful! I think some super small stuff can get squeezed in, but certainly no more major expansions!

Thank you all again!

Right on Buzz. This stretch is simply amazing. I'm pretty sure ill be in for $300; how I'm going to divvy that up is the real question.

DB wrote:

no disrespect mate but you are missing my point again - you are right - but that lot happened $400,000.00 ago....... whats happened between $400,000.00 and $800,000.00 about survivor stretch goals - is what i meant ... it appears that theres been only 1 actual single figure reward for SURVIVOR pledgers (the savior), with lots of 'buy more' expansions.

agreed bud - but he needed $35,000.00 for that - everything else is just gravy , $35,000.00 to $400,000.00 achieved all the free 25 figs t shirt etc and some 'additional spend' figs - so it looks like $400,000.00 to $800,000.00 has only afforded a few new 'additional spend' figures, and 2 free figs (1 survivor fig (the savior) and 1 general free fig (the chrimbo gift from last night))

does that make sense?

Here is a list of what has been added for FREE so far. Granted not all of the free stuff has been to the Survivor Pledge level. There have also been free expansions for pledges over $300 and free minis added to some of the additional expansions. Still there has been plenty additions to the Survivor box between 400k and 800k.

55k - Unarmored Armor Kit added to basic game box
80k - Rawhide Armor Kit doubled in Survivor box
105k - Phoenix model doubled in Survivor box
140k - Lantern Armor Kit added to basic game box
185k - Watcher model doubled in Survivor box
200k - Phoenix Armor Kit doubled in Survivor box
225k - 5 King’s Men models added to the Survivor box
275k - Paul the Survivor added to the Survivor box
285k - Fur Armor Kit added to the basic game box (listed as ‘the last expansion for the core box’ in update #10, 24th Nov)
350k - Lion Armor Kit doubled in the Survivor box
400k - Aya the Survivor model added to the Survivor box
- Canadian shipping lowered to $30
420k - Adam & Anna kickstarter exclusive models added to the Survivor box
425k - 10 Stone Face base inserts added to basic game box
475k - Extra Survivor Heads added to the Survivor box
- Man Hunter Expansion free for ‘Herald of Death’ pledges of $300 or more
500k - Rawhide Whip added to basic box
535k - Regeneration Suit added to Gorm Expansion for free
585k - Lion Knight Expansion free for ‘Herald of Death’ pledges of $300 or more
600k - Lion Court added to the Lion Knight Expansion
625k - King’s Men Painting Tutorial added to rule book
725k - Snow the Savior model added to the Survior box
780k - Twilight Knight model added to all pledges with physical goods (Merry Chrismas!)


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The best value is still to get the game box expansions.

Expansions:
+ $15 Flower Knight Expansion (MSRP $30)
+ $20 Man Hunter Expansion (MSRP $30) OR FREE with a $300 or more pledge.
+ $25 Lion Knight Expansion (MSRP $35) OR FREE with a $300 or more pledge.
+ $25 Dung Beetle Knight Expansion (MSRP $35)
+ $30 Dragon King Expansion (MSRP $60)
+ $40 Gorm Expansion (MSRP $60)
+ $40 Spidicules Expansion (MSRP $65)
+ $45 Sunstalker Expansion (MSRP $70)

With this current stretch goal $350 will get you the Survivor box plus all the expansions so far which is roughly a $800 MSRP value. $500 retail for the basic box and expansions and $300+ worth of free stuff that has been added to the Survivor level pledge.

The pinups are nice and I want them all but I'll probably wait to pick them up down the road. They are $15 now or $18 after the kickstarter for plastic and $25 for the resin now or later. Might have to but extra armor kits and bases though, as Adam has said that those will not be available after the kickstarter.

antalas wrote:
The best value is still to get the game box expansions.
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The pinups are nice and I want them all but I'll probably wait to pick them up down the road. They are $15 now or $18 after the kickstarter for plastic and $25 for the resin now or later. Might have to but extra armor kits and bases though, as Adam has said that those will not be available after the kickstarter.

Aye. I think that's the general consensus of those of us without too much money to spare.

I'm slightly concerned on the issue of availability after the kickstarter ends. Kingdom Death miniatures have never been produced in great quantity and are often sold at premiums because of their scarcity. Also, I believe Adam's stated he currently has no plans to change this manufacturing strategy post-kickstarter or post-launch. So we could be in for a wait if we can't grab 'em now.

All said, I'm sure it's not a real issue to most. Just food for thought.


Edit: Must have missed it, but where was the retail price on the plastic pinups stated?

Dentry wrote:


Edit: Must have missed it, but where was the retail price on the plastic pinups stated?

The top right corner of every "entry" has a listed Kickstarter price with MSRP listed underneath it.

Schmapdi wrote:

Dentry wrote:


Edit: Must have missed it, but where was the retail price on the plastic pinups stated?

The top right corner of every "entry" has a listed Kickstarter price with MSRP listed underneath it.

I'll be damned. Don't spend much time on the front page but, sure enough, there it is as you've said.

Thanks for the info.

Well, if I'm going to stick to my $300 limit I guess I need to start picking and choosing expansions...
Dragon King and Spidicules are definitely in, and the Sunstalker looks awesome too.

Leaving me with $30 bucks left. This could get tough.

I'm at 350 on the dot right now, so it looks like I'm going to get pushed into the 400$ range if we have two more major expansions left.

The Sunstalker one is really cool as well, Probably my favorite expansion so far!

Can't wait to see what we have left to go!

Adam has indeed blessed us with lots of cool stuff to pledge for

so we will bless him with loads of cash

seems a fair deal to me

Amazing campaign, right now we're at $395 ourselves (My brother decided to take on half the load) and from the look of it, we will be heading into the lofty $400 territories as well.

I'm at 300, I think I'm gonna have to move up to get the sunstalker. This will be the third "limit" I've put on myself for this project.

My girlfriend is also going halfsies with me on this, we're up to 315 currently. But I really want the Dung Beetle Knight and I've already axed the Dragon Sacrifice. I was tempted to change my pledge from Survivor back down to normal, but I don't think I can turn down all the nice things in Survivor. I could very easily see us getting to 400 as well, especially since we're still on the fence about the Gorm (she does want the Regeneration Suit anyways, otherwise we might not be so tempted).

For some reason, when he said he only has two expansions left, I take it as one minor and one major, but I have nothing to back that up, only that usually we unlock a minor, then a major, then a minor, and so on in that fashion. I believe that was not the case for the last two expansions, however.

"The King" is still left out there for us to unlock - that's got to be the remaining 'Major".

As for the Minor... I've no idea!

antalas, this is why it would be good if Adam would himself make a graphic (or even just text list) for the Survivor contents, there's so hard to keep track of. Your list has Adam and Anna supposedly added as an add-on to Survivor at 420K, but as I already pointed out above, they are listed in the text description under the Survivor pledge level and were included since Day 1!

An intrepid fan made that text list, as well as the graphical one. However, for days people were quoting the graphical one, and a quick glance at it showed several errors which I pointed out to the person and they got fixed...

Hopefully this doesn't come across snarky (I don't intend it to be) but there's a bit of an echo effect in here with what is in Survivor- most people are copying/pasting what one person jotted down, and it's not totally correct!