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DB wrote:
does anybody know when the survivor stretch goal rewards have been given? from reading this forum it sounds like there has only been 1 reward in the last $400,000.00 made? and that was in the last week.... due to people complaining.... is that right?! if so what sort of stretch goal system is that? i think some people on here are right - this looks really unfair, and not what was promised by the owner of kingdom death. im thinking of putting my money into the next interesting KS arriving on the 1st jan now instead of keeping it in this one.

i think its important for someone in the know to update the new pic list with the details as to when each thing was released / earned - theres no way of knowing the real deal as to how KD has progressed, and how people have been thanked for their money - be it by being given stretch goals or by being offered the unique chance of buying yet more $40 sets to make the $100 full game actually complete....

you can probably tell from that that im in the slightly narked off group of investors

This is a stunning example of both greed and a real lack of understanding of what Kickstarter is for.

Argh jake, don't start us down that path here.

Kickstarter is a crowd-funding platform- it is what people make of it. It bothers me when people post on Either side of the issue saying "what Kickstarter is for".

Can we focus on the amazing offerings of Kingdom Death and leave the bigger issues for Dakka Discussions, please?


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 Alpharius wrote:
"The King" is still left out there for us to unlock - that's got to be the remaining 'Major".

As for the Minor... I've no idea!

I totally forgot about the King by now but you must be right!

I complied that list from the updates, but you're right they were included but at 420k extra box content was added for them. Extra heads and game content so that now they have their own game scenario and cards and you can use their heads with any of the the armor kits.

 RiTides wrote:
Argh jake, don't start us down that path here.

Kickstarter is a crowd-funding platform- it is what people make of it. It bothers me when people post on Either side of the issue saying "what Kickstarter is for".

I'm sorry it bothers you. Here's what bothers me. Adam has been extremely generous with this Kickstarter, offering the basic game with a very large amount of content at a great discount, expansions at a great discount, plenty of discounted single miniatures and a number of free miniatures at different levels. The base box by itself, with no extra stuff at all, is a fantastic deal (in my opinion). In addition to all that Adam has been quick to communicate and very upfront about his decisions throughout the entire Kickstarter. So what bothers me is when people complain that they aren't getting enough free stuff. That they're entitled to more free stuff. That they'll back out of the Kickstarter because they haven't received as much free stuff as they wanted. That Adam is somehow abusing his position by not offering even more free stuff.

This is greed. It bothers me that people feel this way. It bothers me that people feel like they can come on to Dakka and post these kind of complaints without looking like jerks. Not because they shouldn't be able to post whatever they want, but because they clearly believe that their greed is not only justified but shared by others. It bothers me even more that posts like that don't evoke more outrage.

Of course not everyone supports Kickstarter projects out of altruism. I imagine most of us support the projects that will produce things we want, and we're enticed to support those projects not just because we want to see the project succeed, not just because we want the end result in our hands, but because the creators of these projects offer us incentives that we couldn't otherwise get. There's nothing wrong with this. There is something VERY wrong with the massive sense of entitlement that would make someone think it was okay to complain that they aren't getting enough free stuff from an already very generous Kickstarter.

Anyway, I'm sorry this isn't something you want to discuss here RiTides. I think it's extremely relevant to this thread and this Kickstarter.

And with that, back to talking about Kingdom Death!

You've made your point, but not everyone is going to have the same definition of generosity or greed, as yours is quite strong on both counts. I appreciate your explaining your opinion but if you want to discuss it further you really should start a thread in Discussions.

 RiTides wrote:
And with that, back to talking about Kingdom Death!

You've made your point, but not everyone is going to have the same definition of generosity or greed, as yours is quite strong on both counts. I appreciate your explaining your opinion but if you want to discuss it further you really should start a thread in Discussions.

My comments are absolutely on topic, discussing Kingdom Death and Kickstarter as well as addressing other comments made in this thread. You've made it clear that this isn't something that you want to discuss, but since you're not the moderator of this thread (as far as I know) I don't think it's fair for you to try to decide what is and is not appropriate for discussion here. If this aspect of the thread bothers you I'd advise you to simply ignore it. Possibly you could even use the Ignore function. I believe that's what its for.

Edit: I don't mean to be antagonistic. Please don't think that. I do think this is a relevant part of the Kingdom Death discussion though, especially since it's a response to a kind of post and attitude toward this project which has become more and more common (although thankfully still just a small minority) in the last two weeks.

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I have an unrelated question. Can anyone suggest a good glue for assembling Kingdom Death resin models. I'm hoping to put my Preacher together this weekend, but I don't want to test out a glue only to accidentally ruin the model. I've used Gale Force Nine Hobby Glue on Forgeworld models in the past, but I haven't always been satisfied with the results.

Any superglue will do.

 Fafnir wrote:
Any superglue will do.

Thanks. The reason I asked is because last time I glues a resin model together it just didn't take, and after a few hours would just fall apart. Hmm, in hindsight that may have been because I didn't clean them well enough before assembling.

We should hit the 850 Stretch goal today, I'm looking forward to the silhouette of the 900k Stretch Goal!

Yeah, I'm very interested in seeing what will be up for 900K... I have a feeling it will only be the minor expansion, with the major (the King!) saved for 1 MILLION

 RiTides wrote:
Yeah, I'm very interested in seeing what will be up for 900K... I have a feeling it will only be the minor expansion, with the major (the King!) saved for 1 MILLION

He said he had two more expansions left, but I don't remember him explicitly saying they were a Minor/Major one. Did he say that some point?

I don't think so, just speculation from the last page:

The Fragile Breath wrote:For some reason, when he said he only has two expansions left, I take it as one minor and one major, but I have nothing to back that up, only that usually we unlock a minor, then a major, then a minor, and so on in that fashion. I believe that was not the case for the last two expansions, however.

Alpharius wrote:"The King" is still left out there for us to unlock - that's got to be the remaining 'Major".

As for the Minor... I've no idea!

The excellent 'Death Toll' visual pledge calculator put together by Jamie has had to move web address as we 'ate up' all his free bandwidth stunningly fast. I belive it's now being hosted by another backer (sorry I can't give them credit but I missed that bit of the comments stream)

The new address is

http://kdm.bortian.net/

once again chrome/firefox for the PC work well (& IE does not). I'm not sure of Mac/Mobile functionality

It works in Firefox on the mac, but you can't scroll down to see all of the items in the right hand column for some reason (not sure if it behaves this way in other browsers) it just scrolls the centre column with all the options.

It's a neat little tool that would be good for other kickstarters to pick up and use as part of an official campaign. It'd save so many arguments of "I don't know what the options are"

 endtransmission wrote:
It works in Firefox on the mac, but you can't scroll down to see all of the items in the right hand column for some reason (not sure if it behaves this way in other browsers) it just scrolls the centre column with all the options.

It's a neat little tool that would be good for other kickstarters to pick up and use as part of an official campaign. It'd save so many arguments of "I don't know what the options are"

Or, you know, Kickstarter could simply start using a simply shopping-cart* plug-in for people to actually click through the options and add them to their pledge. Would probably take an Elance-Pakistani with some ecommerce background around 30 minutes to install.


*Obviously called something else to appease the "it's not a shop" crowd.

 endtransmission wrote:
It works in Firefox on the mac, but you can't scroll down to see all of the items in the right hand column for some reason (not sure if it behaves this way in other browsers) it just scrolls the centre column with all the options.

It's a neat little tool that would be good for other kickstarters to pick up and use as part of an official campaign. It'd save so many arguments of "I don't know what the options are"

I don't think I can scroll down the right hand column, either (which I assume would show what is in the currently selected item) in Chrome...

 Zweischneid wrote:

 endtransmission wrote:
It works in Firefox on the mac, but you can't scroll down to see all of the items in the right hand column for some reason (not sure if it behaves this way in other browsers) it just scrolls the centre column with all the options.

It's a neat little tool that would be good for other kickstarters to pick up and use as part of an official campaign. It'd save so many arguments of "I don't know what the options are"

Or, you know, Kickstarter could simply start using a simply shopping-cart* plug-in for people to actually click through the options and add them to their pledge. Would probably take an Elance-Pakistani with some ecommerce background around 30 minutes to install.


*Obviously called something else to appease the "it's not a shop" crowd.

The vast majority of Kickstarters wouldn't need to use it. Most Kickstarters just don't offer this amount of options, free or otherwise.

 jake wrote:


The vast majority of Kickstarters wouldn't need to use it. Most Kickstarters just don't offer this amount of options, free or otherwise.

So what? In those cases, it would be indistinguishable from the current system. You just add 1 "pledge-item" to your "cart" and you're set. You could also have various shipping costs calculated easily.

A simple "shopping-cart" system isn't any less comfortable if you just add one item. The only thing different from ... say .. Amazon .. would be that instead of clicking a "buy now"-button, the whole thing would only lock-in upon completion.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 jake wrote:


The vast majority of Kickstarters wouldn't need to use it. Most Kickstarters just don't offer this amount of options, free or otherwise.

So what? In those cases, it would be indistinguishable from the current system. You just add 1 "pledge-item" to your "cart" and you're set. You could also have various shipping costs calculated easily.

A simple "shopping-cart" system isn't any less comfortable if you just add one item. The only thing different from ... say .. Amazon .. would be that instead of clicking a "buy now"-button, the whole thing would only lock-in upon completion.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice or useful, just that Kickstarter is probably not going to implement a feature that most Kickstarters won't use. The Kickstarter back end is notoriously bare bones. It's fine for relatively simple stuff, but I don't think it was designed with Kickstraters like Reaper Bones, Relic Knights or Kingdom Death in mind. Hopefully it will get an upgrade at some point.

In order to bring this back on topic, we've just breached the 850k mark...

Hopefully that means silhoutte of the 900K expansion revealed tonight / early tomorrow morning (east coast US time).

 endtransmission wrote:
In order to bring this back on topic, we've just breached the 850k mark...

Heck Yeah!!!

awaken the Poots

awaken the Poots

(then run for your wallets!)

!!!

The "death toll" pledge calculator is amazing! Does anyone know who made it? I would happily host it and give them ftp access.

Kickstarter Shopping Cart / Ecommerce Plugin
I highly doubt we will ever see this happen. Kickstarter is not a store and they are trying very hard to make sure that their users and the general public are aware that it is not a store. People that pledge on a kickstarter are referred to as backers and there is no mention anywhere in kickstarters fine print that they are either customers or investors. They are just that "backers". I wouldn't be surprised if in in the future kickstarter further defines their rules and does not allow campaigns to have options.

But who knows?

Hey Adam. Any word yet on if any of your new items will be released in resin at a later date? I much rather want to spend the money on later resin releasing than on the plastic expansions (Dung Beetle Knight, Spider, Gorm, etc.).

Adam, the writer is a KS user called Jamie

http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/699869208

Taken From the KS comments

You can contact Jamie at : kdmdeathtoll@gmail.com.

We have reached 850k in pledges!
Update #37 · Dec. 28, 2012 · 1 comment

Well guys, we've done it... yet again! My mind is totally blown and I am not even sure what to say really!

So while I recover from the shock, let me just skip straight to the good stuff :

850k - We've unlocked the Sunstalker Dancer! You may add her to your rewards by increasing your Pledge by +$15 for a plastic version or +$25 for the resin version. She will be sculpted by Jon-Troy Nickel, the same artist that sculpted the original White Speaker, Pinup Twilight Knight, Pinup Preacher and Pinup Architect!

Second Gameplay Video
This is still a work in progress. I assure you it will be available before the campaign ends and will be uploaded ASAP.

900k - This is indeed a minor gameplay expansion, but the monster itself is not minor at all! Sculpted by Allan Carrasco and its... a bit nightmarish!

Questions - I apologize, the holidays put me behind on these, thanks!

I have to say that I have followed that sculptor a bit (HazardousArts on deviantArt), and can say that his precious work is simply amazing.

Yeah I watch Jon-Troy Nickel on da his sculpts are fantastic. Can't wait to see his finished Sunstalker Dancer.

Danny Cruz (deviant art id: dannycruz4) did the concept for the 900k monster, if anyone feels like looking. Not sure what it is, but I'll be picking one up.

Thanks for the heads up antalas, found it



Comments from the artist below it (he also did the Forge god and forge priest for KD)

last of the weird, sexualized creature designs from me..

thanks! unfortunately, i was dumped off this project a few months ago...but, i do have some more warped creature designs in my head...and also been on a giger kick as of late too. so just a matter of finding time for that..

ha thanks. truth be told, a lot of these designs were art directed to me and actually, the top creature was more or less already created. i worked from another artists sketch and aside from some tweaks here and there, they basically just wanted to have the creature done up in my style

The $900K Stretch 'Minor' Expansion monster silhouette looks awesome!

Can't wait to see it, and my wallet dreads what's coming soon!

And the King must be the One Million Dollar stretch...