Can a Balrog be used as DP?

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**wolfmerc**

The title says it all. I've recently looked at the Balrog model from The Lord of The Rings, and I personally do not like some of the Daemon prince models for Chaos. But bottom line, if i do use a Balrog for DP, how worried should i be that people wont let me use it?

Thanks in advance.

-Wolf

**sarpedons-right-hand**

I don't see why not fella. If you kitbash it a little bit, at least so it looks more 'Chaos-y' and less Tolkien, it shouldn't be a problem. I certainly would have no problem playing against it...

**DeathReaper**

Friendly play you should not have an issue.

Tournaments, that is up to the TO.

**Andilus Greatsword**

Even in most tournaments it should be fine... it's a daemon, and more importantly, it's an official 100% GW model.

**kronk**

Is it about the same height? If so, I wouldn't have a problem with it, nor would most people.

For tournaments, I'd ask your local TO.

**BoomWolf**

Its a freaking CHAOS daemon.

It can look like a Nightmare (hellfire horse) Unicorn Minotaur as far as I care-as long the proportions are right and there is a rational representation of his chosen options on it.

**wolfmerc**

Gotcha, all of these make sense. proportions was one of the things i was curious about, because i do not want to be called for cheating or short cutting a model for advantage.

**kronk**

Does anyone have a picture of these side by side? I might take this idea as I like the Balrog model.

**Lobokai**

The Balrog is slightly larger and has significantly longer wings.

**Shrike325**

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ramas2k/6875721905/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Not sure how to copy an image from Flickr

**kronk**

So it would be a little harder to get cover? I'd be fine with that.

**Lobokai**

I'm going to run one as a helldrake (after a little kit bashing). I love that model.

**rigeld2**

kronk wrote:
So it would be a little harder to get cover? I'd be fine with that.

Not really - since you ignore wings on non-vehicles for determining cover.
It'd be about the same overall, just a pain to move around with wings that massive. I have issues with my Flyrant wings sometimes and they look smaller.

**timetowaste85**

GW used to not allow LOTR models into WH games, due to some copyright with New Lines Cinema. Since GW doesn't sponsor anything anymore, who gives a rat's ass if you use it? Show up, bring it to a tournament, and don't make a big deal out of it and they won't either. The Balrog is truly awesome, let it have some love in a game people actually play.

**tomjoad**

Looking at the side-by-side comparison, though, I will say that those wings could present a reasonable challenge to being able to move/deploy/use the Balrog, depending on your terrain.

**Grey Templar**

The Balrog should be perfectly legal in any tournament. Its a GW model.

As long as you put it on the proper DP base you should be cool.

It will have a harder time finding cover, but so what? Its an awsome model and is very Chaosy

I know people sometimes steal the Balrog's wings for their DPs. why not the whole thing?

**rigeld2**

Grey Templar wrote:
It will have a harder time finding cover, but so what?

It won't really, by the above side-by-side anyway.

**Grey Templar**

Hard-er

It will still be fairly easy.

**DakkaHammer**

I remember seeing three of them on a table at a 40k tournament a while back. I think they were being used as greater daemons, but as long as you explain what it is I don't see any problem with it.

**hobojebus**

I'd be surprised if anyone had an issue with it,

**wolfmerc**

Ok, thanks i know the Balrog is 61 dollars, being 20 dollars more expensive than the regular ole daemon prince, but heck, I got to say the balrog looks a thousand times better, and it being bigger might be more intimidating on the battlefield.

**OhNoItsNot**

I'd be surprised if anyone had a problem with it, as long as the dimensions aren't massively different.

**Mr. S Baldrick**

I say rock on. My buddy uses one as a Greater Daemon all them time and it works well.

**L'Etat C'Est Moi**

There is a friend of mine who uses one as his DP and he has never had an issue at local events or at GTs.

**ThatEdGuy**

I use one as my bloodthirster; love the conversion.

**Lord General Cheese**

I play with you wolf i give you a go on it it would be a fire magnent more then a regular DP because that thing is scary but that could work for you so your call

**kcwm**

I might have to look into this. That Balrog looks BAMF, and since wings don't count for cover, there's no power in the 'verse that can stop me.

**Spectrum**

I'm using the slightly less imposing Dweller in the Dark model as my Daemon Prince:

~Sp.

**captain collius**

Its awesome and fine as long you don't go into a store GW actually owns.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Here's my take on it.

Great model, I loved working with it.