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Ouze wrote: Also, how does he get into this costume by himself?
His super speed, and a bottle of mineral oil(thats actually what he's keeping in his trousers)
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I think when putting back the red undies starts looking like a good idea you've got real problems with your costume design. It's those lines above his crotch that cause problems for me, they're basically pointing at the super wang. Change the direction of those lines and I think it'd change stuff nicely.
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Does anyone really like Superman? Besides Shaq of course. I never got a superhero with one flaw. And even thats not even a major one. How do your write a guy that is basically instawin everything?
Every superhero is guaranteed to win in their own story. Did anyone watch Wolverine thinking 'oh man this guy is only a minor power, so there's a chance he could actually in his own movie'? That's why stories of 'will he beat this villain with his special powers?' pretty much always suck, no matter who the superhero is. It's why the best stories are about a lot of other stuff, and the action is just part of telling that story. The Dark Knight was great, but it wasn't great because we didn't know if Batman was going to beat the Joker, it was great because we were watching what it cost Batman and what it cost Gotham for that to happen.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
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But most super heroes arn't invincible. You know they will win, but it is a given that they are not invincible and could lose in a hypothetical situation.
Superman has one weakness, every other hero is simply super extraordinary. But they could still be killed and beaten by "realistic" opponents.
With Superman, you had to have equally outlandish villians for him to fight. And it was never Superman who was in danger, it was other people, unless Kryptonite was involved.
Plus his superhero abilities were all over the place. he can fly, he has super strength, he is bullet proof, he has x-ray vision, he has super hearing, telikinesis, etc...
Quite unimaginitive. Its far cooler to have a hero like Spiderman. Who has a specific set of abilities that he has and has to find clever ways of using them.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
sebster wrote: Every superhero is guaranteed to win in their own story. Did anyone watch Wolverine thinking 'oh man this guy is only a minor power, so there's a chance he could actually in his own movie'?
....
I think you sort of just killed super hero movies for me.
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Grey Templar wrote: But most super heroes arn't invincible. You know they will win, but it is a given that they are not invincible and could lose in a hypothetical situation.
Superman has one weakness, every other hero is simply super extraordinary. But they could still be killed and beaten by "realistic" opponents.
With Superman, you had to have equally outlandish villians for him to fight. And it was never Superman who was in danger, it was other people, unless Kryptonite was involved.
As I already said, every hero will win. Even if its some guy with the ability to see through corn, it's his movie, he's going to win even though his power is almost completely pointless. So there's no 'oh I hope he wins this fight' no matter how limited or powerful his powers are. Of course he'll win, it's his movie. That leaves you with 'oh how will he win this fight?' which sounds like a promising option for storytelling, but is hardly ever used that well, and really just comes down to fight choreography, meaning there's still about 115 minutes of screen time to fill up.
Which is why the best films have never been as simple as 'this guy with superpowers is fighting this other guy with superpowers'. It's about what that fight costs the hero and those around him. It's about what he has to become to win that fight. Which is just as straight forward to write for Superman as it is for Spiderman or anyone else.
Superman II is good (or at least a lot of it is good) because it shows Superman's conflict over wanting to lead a normal life, and being duty bound to keep his powers to protect the Earth. That's a great basis for a story.
And yeah, Superman has a stupidly long and often goofy laundry list of superpowers... if you think every forgotten but drudged up by the internet pre-war Superman comic is unchallengable canon. But they're free to retcon the guy back to the core powers, and especially to drop that stupid time travelling thing from Superman II.
I think you sort of just killed super hero movies for me.
Good. They're getting boring anyway.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Apparently removing the panties makes Supe's cock...well a super cock.
But I suppose they could have made arrows point to it, so it could be worse...he could be in a banana hammock.
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Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
kronk wrote: Heh. I didn't notice Dr. Manhattan as much on the TV at home, but at the movies on the big screen...
Blue Wang. Blue Wang, everywhere.
And never were the Smurfs more jealous that their return to the big screen wasn't met with colossal blue wang...
Am I the only one who though that his penis was average?
It was average, but it was average wang on a large screen... that's like 3 foot wang!
I like how the he's bent foreward slightly.
Its like he's saying "I can knock the earth out of orbit with a single punch. But even I, the man of steel, struggle under the weight of my own massive steel c k and b s.
Having an invincible hero is fine as long as he's funny or showy enough to be enjoyable to watch despite the lack of drama. Soon I Will Be Invincible did this well, as its descriptions of its invulnerable characters were fun to read in themeselves.
That's why my favourite scene of all the Superman movies I've seen is this one.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
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I believe the explaination was that the field that protects him is just above his skin, thus allowing his skintight suit to be protected.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
In the post crisis reboot the telekinesis idea was, kinda, pushed as for how his powers worked in general and indeed how his suit didn't get damaged -- note this didn't extend to his cape which was frequently shredded and damaged.
Prior to that the whole suit was made from super tough/indestructible kryptonian ..err... super fabric I guess ?
IIRC there was, for a while, a minor plot point with his costume being enhanced by 30thC technology from/during his adventures with the Legion of Superheroes. This was certainly the case when he was adventuring as Superboy although he didn't appear to use this costume when he was an adult.
Currently his cape is made from a nigh on indestructible material and wears some form of kryptonian battle armour.
.. Magneto a hero ..?
Magneto, surrounded by his followers and original Brotherhood member Toad, takes over New York City. Magneto lays waste to the city and engages in multiple acts of mass murder, killing thousands of humans trapped in the city. Magneto also reveals his grand scheme: reversing Earth's magnetic field and remake the planet as "Planet X" in which mutants, the possessors of the "X-gene", ruled over ordinary humans.
"What people often forget, of course, is that Magneto, unlike the lovely Sir Ian McKellen, is a mad old terrorist gakker. No matter how he justifies his stupid, brutal behaviour, or how anyone else tries to justify it, in the end he's just an old bastard with daft, old ideas based on violence and coercion.
quite.
... so there we have it. Frazz supports terrorists !
Quick ! Inform Fox "News" !
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Magneto, surrounded by his followers and original Brotherhood member Toad, takes over New York City. Magneto lays waste to the city and engages in multiple acts of mass murder, killing thousands of humans trapped in the city. Magneto also reveals his grand scheme: reversing Earth's magnetic field and remake the planet as "Planet X" in which mutants, the possessors of the "X-gene", ruled over ordinary humans.
"What people often forget, of course, is that Magneto, unlike the lovely Sir Ian McKellen, is a mad old terrorist gakker. No matter how he justifies his stupid, brutal behaviour, or how anyone else tries to justify it, in the end he's just an old bastard with daft, old ideas based on violence and coercion.
quite.
What Grant Morrison forgets is that that Magneto is an interesting character because he's an extremist with valid complaints. Sabotaging that with character assassination (like having an Auschwitz survivor roll out the crematoriums) is offensively stupid.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
Not least as I don't Magneto has been an interesting character for at least 20 odd years.
Magento, from his very first appearance -- you know when he took over the cape Citadel missile base and tried kill loads of people with missiles -- has always been a warped extremist.
The dark irony being that his actions really make him no better than the nazi regime -- all of which was crowbarred in much later of course -- that did such terrible things to him.
I know Stan lee keeps trying to draw comparisons with him and professor X with M.L.KIng and Malcom X, but I don't recall the latter ever trying to wipe out 99% of the worlds population at various times ...? Perhaps that says more about the paucity of lee's writing than anything else though. Was a different era after all and, well... they were/are just comic books.
What is ridiculous is the ham fisted attempts by Marvel over the years to make him into an anti hero or , at times, a good guy, as the character does sell comic books.
Money talks louder than "artistic merit" of course.
IMO the worst "character assassination" he underwent was his appearance in the 9/11 tribute/fund raising issue where he and Dr. Doom appear -- the latter crying IIRC -- and fret about how terribly sad it all is.
WTF ?!
Still given the worthy cause the issue was for one cannot or rather will not complain too much.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Not least as I don't Magneto has been an interesting character for at least 20 odd years.
I think the Magneto of the first two X-Men movies is interesting, and not just because he's played by an actor like Ian McKellen.
Magento, from his very first appearance -- you know when he took over the cape Citadel missile base and tried kill loads of people with missiles -- has always been a warped extremist.
His very first appearance was in the bad old days of the Comics Code Authority, and before they'd come up with his backstory.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
DutchKillsRambo wrote: Does anyone really like Superman? Besides Shaq of course. I never got a superhero with one flaw. And even thats not even a major one. How do your write a guy that is basically instawin everything?
Exactly. There's literally nothing on earth that can take him, except maybe the Ang Lee version of the Hulk (just keeps getting angrier and stronger like a rising storm surge). You have to practically go Star Trek to touch him (would disruptors work on him?) plus he can go back in time. OK.....
Been round this before, but all of that is also dependent upon his power level -- which has fluctuated quite a bit over the years.
Also, the DCU actually doesn't lack for characters -- good and evil -- around his general power level. Heck, you can throw Helspont (formerly of the Wildstorm universe) on that pile now too.
Yep, and emotional attachments are also a key point here.
In the post crisis reboot the telekinesis idea was, kinda, pushed as for how his powers worked in general and indeed how his suit didn't get damaged -- note this didn't extend to his cape which was frequently shredded and damaged.
Prior to that the whole suit was made from super tough/indestructible kryptonian ..err... super fabric I guess ?
IIRC there was, for a while, a minor plot point with his costume being enhanced by 30thC technology from/during his adventures with the Legion of Superheroes. This was certainly the case when he was adventuring as Superboy although he didn't appear to use this costume when he was an adult.
Currently his cape is made from a nigh on indestructible material and wears some form of kryptonian battle armour.
At first I didn't like the return to the "indestructible suit" concept. But it's really grown on me just by declaring it to be a type of armor. The idea that it was made of some self-regenerating hyperadvanced miracle material was never a big stretch (slight pun intended) in the context of Superman and the DCU in general. I think I just had a hard time with that old silly suit sewn together by Ma. It's more clearly a piece of technology now, and that somehow makes it work in my mind. *shrug*
I'm honestly surprised by the negativity to the lack of red underwear. What do people think of his new costume in the comics? I think they really nailed it.
kronk wrote: Heh. I didn't notice Dr. Manhattan as much on the TV at home, but at the movies on the big screen...
Blue Wang. Blue Wang, everywhere.
Wolverine noticed that as well....
Solve a man's problem with violence and help him for a day. Teach a man how to solve his problems with violence, help him for a lifetime - Belkar Bitterleaf
Indeed we have. Every time a Superman thread pops up people run in with the same misconceptions about the character. At this point I don't even think it is worth replying.
gorgon wrote: What do people think of his new costume in the comics? I think they really nailed it.
I was skeptical at first, but I like it as well.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
I like the superman character. He wasn't my favorite (Hal Jordan, Green Lantern was), but I did find him interesting. My biggest issue was in the mid or late 90s when he had 4 monthly comics and the storyline would be followed in each one. You had to get all 4 to stay current.
gorgon wrote: I'm honestly surprised by the negativity to the lack of red underwear. What do people think of his new costume in the comics? I think they really nailed it.
See, that looks good. Snyder's doesn't. The suit in that concept art has enough hard lines to look like body armour - like it does more than stop him violating public indecency laws. If you're not going to wear armour, at least wear something that lets you maintain your dignity.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
sebster wrote: Every superhero is guaranteed to win in their own story. Did anyone watch Wolverine thinking 'oh man this guy is only a minor power, so there's a chance he could actually in his own movie'?
....
I think you sort of just killed super hero movies for me.
Its a problem. Of course in most movies the hero wins.
Not least as I don't Magneto has been an interesting character for at least 20 odd years.
Magento, from his very first appearance -- you know when he took over the cape Citadel missile base and tried kill loads of people with missiles -- has always been a warped extremist.
The dark irony being that his actions really make him no better than the nazi regime -- all of which was crowbarred in much later of course -- that did such terrible things to him.
I know Stan lee keeps trying to draw comparisons with him and professor X with M.L.KIng and Malcom X, but I don't recall the latter ever trying to wipe out 99% of the worlds population at various times ...? Perhaps that says more about the paucity of lee's writing than anything else though. Was a different era after all and, well... they were/are just comic books.
What is ridiculous is the ham fisted attempts by Marvel over the years to make him into an anti hero or , at times, a good guy, as the character does sell comic books.
Money talks louder than "artistic merit" of course.
IMO the worst "character assassination" he underwent was his appearance in the 9/11 tribute/fund raising issue where he and Dr. Doom appear -- the latter crying IIRC -- and fret about how terribly sad it all is.
WTF ?!
Still given the worthy cause the issue was for one cannot or rather will not complain too much.
Thats all comic book crap. I've never read an Xmen comic and frankly don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: Its a problem. Of course in most movies the hero wins.
Which is why 'will the hero beat the baddie?' is a terrible question for movies to be asking. And therefore 'oh no the hero is too powerful it won't be hard for him to beat up the baddie' isn't really a problem for movies that are half good.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
gorgon wrote: What do people think of his new costume in the comics? I think they really nailed it.
I was skeptical at first, but I like it as well.
I think the belt helps alot.
Without anything breaking up the natural lines of the body (as well as certain features of the custome in that particular picture) all draw your eyes at the crotch.
The comic has less of the organic lines that your eyes are automatically going to follow to the groin, but it also has a nice bright belt that serves as a natural contrast that your eyes will focus on. I t hink having him wear a belt IRL would help out a lot.
Without anything breaking up the natural lines of the body (as well as certain features of the custome in that particular picture) all draw your eyes at the crotch.
Yeah, like I said earlier, it's the lines pointing to the crotch that does it.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
gorgon wrote: What do people think of his new costume in the comics? I think they really nailed it.
I was skeptical at first, but I like it as well.
I think the belt helps alot.
Without anything breaking up the natural lines of the body (as well as certain features of the custome in that particular picture) all draw your eyes at the crotch.
The comic has less of the organic lines that your eyes are automatically going to follow to the groin, but it also has a nice bright belt that serves as a natural contrast that your eyes will focus on. I t hink having him wear a belt IRL would help out a lot.
Here is a super crappy photoshop with the idea:
You're 100% correct actually.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I havnt looked into this too much, I just hope the villain isnt Lex Luthor AGAIN. This is something that just annoys the ever living gak out of me with these super hero movies lately. Rather then go for a villain thats worth his/her fething salt, they go with a safe, more realistic villain. NO! STOP THAT!! FFS STOP!!!!! Im watching a super hero movie, the guy/gal can fly or toss a tank around or shoot laser beams from their fething eyes, I dont want some random normal guy going toe to toe with them, no matter how clever and rich they are, super strong guy will jump over to them, snatch them up, and toss them a mile. Youre dead being thrown a mile away. Period.
Seems there'll be lots of robots to smash as well.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
k and b 
-- and fret about how terribly sad it all is.
