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I still maintain it's the swarmlord. He's a giant monster so that makes him harder to fight against. He's got 4 swords embued with magical power from outside of the galaxy which he is extremely skilled with

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Well, it's obviously a Tau Gun Drone

Hmm.. the best fighter... Well, Khorne is the God of Murder and war...

Who has nothing on Gork or Mork...

The most powerful figure in 40k is me, I can literally smash any force apart with my bare hands.

Sanguinius, or Angron / Kharn...

MarsNZ wrote:
The most powerful figure in 40k is me, I can literally smash any force apart with my bare hands.

Despite how bothered I am by this, this is the most truthful thing I've read on this thread so far.

Well when it comes to draigo I always assumed his warp adventures had a lot to do with being in a place without rules. He's a match for demon princes in reality but he needs something reality warping to fight off infinite bloodthirsters as far as I can figure.

I remember C'Tan used to be pretty bad ass. I wonder where the fluff puts them these days. Eating stars is a neat trick.

It really is too bad how seriously they made chaos suck in the fluff. Humanity's greatest threat my behind. Apparently gork and mork, who everyone seems pretty unconcerned with, are the scariest of nasty powers in the universe. I always get sick of hearing that myself. It just seems like a dumb trope.


Can we assume that the cabal have been working on some super warrior?

 Void__Dragon wrote:
No but seriously, Draigo beats down Primarchs and their guards single-handedly, and he does it without mountain-shattering physical might that is characteristic of a Primarch.

Unless he has never actually done any of those things and its all in his mind because Tzeentch loves fething around with people.

This is so easy its not even funny, its obviously Gaunt ...


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but on a more serious note, i think swarmlord is pretty good bet or Abaddon (might be a tiny bit biased)

 Galdos wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
No but seriously, Draigo beats down Primarchs and their guards single-handedly, and he does it without mountain-shattering physical might that is characteristic of a Primarch.

Unless he has never actually done any of those things and its all in his mind because Tzeentch loves fething around with people.

Draigo is simply over-fluffed by he-who-must-not-be-allowed-to-make-more-crazy-fluff. You have to remember that Draigo specializes in anti-daemon fighting. The Primarchs you mention that he can beat are all Daemons which means his style is tailor made against them. If these Primarchs didn't have said disadvantage they'd kick Draigo in the nuts. The cost of power giving birth to new weaknesses is an endless cycle. Just look at Pokemon.

Draigo won't fare well against MC units like the Swarmlord, Avatar, or Mephiston. And, yes, Mephiston IS an MC. Try fielding Draigo against Dante. With the Death Mask of Sanguinius Draigo loses his effectivity by having the same initiative as a regular marine. Squish.

Mephiston is way better. Psyker Emo Vampire Gothic Rocker with wings.

No one cares about tabletop stats. lol

BlaxicanX wrote:
No one cares about tabletop stats. lol

I only made a reference to the stats as a way of showing how Draigo fairs against beings that are not Daemons or Chaotic in nature. He's nothing but a battle crazed maniac who could have just torn out Mortarion's heart instead of doodling his lover's name all over it. He's so stupid he doesn't even make himself useful by hunting Abaddong or going through the Eye of Terror so he can finally go home. All his fighting and tearing apart of Daemons just fuels Khorn's power.

On a side note he's probably a great fighter but not the greatest as the greatest fighters do not suffer from hubris but rather turn their hubris into a new power. Besides he's only at his best when he's against Daemons. Mephiston ftw.

Blood for the Blood G... Chalice! I was gonna say Chalice! Blood for the Blood Chalice!!!

Mephiston and Draigo are Mary Sues and a real wusses compared to any serious power in 40k (deamon and living primarch, top tier aliens, and chaptermasters)...so your obvious bias is boring and irritating....


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Hanith wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
The most powerful figure in 40k is me, I can literally smash any force apart with my bare hands.

Despite how bothered I am by this, this is the most truthful thing I've read on this thread so far.

Yep, agree at least he isn't biased by his pathetic SM chapter like most of the fanboys....

 Garvy wrote:
Mephiston and Draigo are Mary Sues and a real wusses compared to any serios power in 40k (deamon and living primarch, top tier aliens, and chaptermasters)...so your obvious bias is boring and irritating....


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Hanith wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
The most powerful figure in 40k is me, I can literally smash any force apart with my bare hands.

Despite how bothered I am by this, this is the most truthful thing I've read on this thread so far.

Yep, agree at least he isn't biased by his pathetic SM chapter like most of the fanboys....

Everyone is entitled to be biased towards their armies. If it irritates you just keep scrolling down, no need to be snippy. Read back though as I personally put Angron as the best pure fighter and the Emperor (Pre-Heresy) as the best overall.

I apologize for flaming on him but Draigo is a fluff-powered-little-female-dog. Can't help it.

 Garvy wrote:
Draigo are Mary Sues and a real wusses compared to any serios power in 40k (deamon and living primarch

Yes I agree that it's over the top, but in the (albeit bad) fluff that we have for Draigo right now, he beats down Daemon Primarch Mortarion.

 Rampage wrote:

 Garvy wrote:
Draigo are Mary Sues and a real wusses compared to any serios power in 40k (deamon and living primarch

Yes I agree that it's over the top, but in the (albeit bad) fluff that we have for Draigo right now, he beats down Daemon Primarch Mortarion.

Mortarion was probably tired from killing Draigo's predecessor, the Supreme Grand Master Geronitan. Sure, he's a Daemon Primarch, but the Daemons can only use so much energy while manifesting in physical space. The amount of energy necessary to beat a Grey Knight, and the Supreme Grand Master at that, must have been exhaustive as Grey Knights are tailor made to beat down Daemons and were probably designed by the Emperor to counter the Daemon Primarchs specifically as the Loyalist Primarchs are either dead, wounded, or trolling across the universe.

@enooNaMI Ability-wise, Daemon Primarchs outclass regular Primarchs, but the former have the Daemons' weakness regarding their energy limitation. The regular Primarchs don't. In the long-run, they have the advantage - they just have to wear down the opposition and wait for the chance to strike.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
@enooNaMI Ability-wise, Daemon Primarchs outclass regular Primarchs, but the former have the Daemons' weakness regarding their energy limitation. The regular Primarchs don't. In the long-run, they have the advantage - they just have to wear down the opposition and wait for the chance to strike.

Dude, that's what I said, albeit I said it a way that its a comparison between the Daemon Primarchs and the Grey Knights. I also pointed out that the Grey Knights were made so the Imperium still has a counter measure against the Daemon Primarchs and other Daemon Princes since, as I pointed out before, the Loyalist Primarchs are either dead, wounded, or trolling around the galaxy.

Pointed out how this is the reason why Draigo managed to beat Mortarion as the Daemon Primarch had, logically, expended his energies in slaying Draigo's predecessor, Supreme Grand Master Geronitan.

Super off topic.

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Nope, Draigo still sucks against non-Daemon enemies. Angron is still the best fighter.

My list.
1. Yarrick
2. Gazgrull Thraka
3. Logan Grimnar and Every other Wolf Guard Space marines
4. Entire chapter of Angry Marines

 enooNaMI wrote:

 Rampage wrote:

 Garvy wrote:
Draigo are Mary Sues and a real wusses compared to any serios power in 40k (deamon and living primarch

Yes I agree that it's over the top, but in the (albeit bad) fluff that we have for Draigo right now, he beats down Daemon Primarch Mortarion.

Mortarion was probably tired from killing Draigo's predecessor, the Supreme Grand Master Geronitan. Sure, he's a Daemon Primarch, but the Daemons can only use so much energy while manifesting in physical space. The amount of energy necessary to beat a Grey Knight, and the Supreme Grand Master at that, must have been exhaustive as Grey Knights are tailor made to beat down Daemons and were probably designed by the Emperor to counter the Daemon Primarchs specifically as the Loyalist Primarchs are either dead, wounded, or trolling across the universe.

He must have been pretty tired if him at full strength makes his defeater look like a real wuss.

 Lord General Cheese wrote:
My list.
1. Yarrick
2. Gazgrull Thraka
3. Logan Grimnar and Every other Wolf Guard Space marines
4. Entire chapter of Angry Marines

This^ and I will add Yriel and BJORN...

Lukas the Trickster - nothing beats brawn and brains.

 Rampage wrote:

 enooNaMI wrote:

 Rampage wrote:

 Garvy wrote:
Draigo are Mary Sues and a real wusses compared to any serios power in 40k (deamon and living primarch

Yes I agree that it's over the top, but in the (albeit bad) fluff that we have for Draigo right now, he beats down Daemon Primarch Mortarion.

Mortarion was probably tired from killing Draigo's predecessor, the Supreme Grand Master Geronitan. Sure, he's a Daemon Primarch, but the Daemons can only use so much energy while manifesting in physical space. The amount of energy necessary to beat a Grey Knight, and the Supreme Grand Master at that, must have been exhaustive as Grey Knights are tailor made to beat down Daemons and were probably designed by the Emperor to counter the Daemon Primarchs specifically as the Loyalist Primarchs are either dead, wounded, or trolling across the universe.

He must have been pretty tired if him at full strength makes his defeater look like a real wuss.

As you yourself said, the fluff surrounding Draigo is pretty bad. Logically, no fighter is truly at a hundred percent right after a battle. Even more so if he/she was fighting an opponent tailor made to beat him down. Mortarion just killed a Supreme Grand Master (wow I've said this more than 5 times throughout this hijacked thread I'm using to boost my post count), the best of the Grey Knights armed with stuff dipped in awesome sauce (if you believe their fluff). Grey Knights were made to specifically combat the agents of Chaos who have battery packs that last as much as a gaming laptop does unplugged.

So, do I think Mortarion and his retinue weren't at their best when Draigo assailed them? Yes, I believe so because its logical in terms of the current fluff.

Do I think Mortarion could have won against Draigo considering the circumstances? Yes, agents of Nurgle have FnP which, though nerfed this 6th Ed, is still awesome. He probably forgot to roll this...

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Lukas the Trickster - nothing beats brawn and brains.

and stasis bomb

 DarthMarko wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Lukas the Trickster - nothing beats brawn and brains.

and stasis bomb

Naturally

The problem with threads like this is that it all depends on how big you are willing to think:

Mt top 3 contesters for best fighter in the 40K setting would be:

3 A whole C'tan
2 Khorn (the warp entity)
1 The hive mind

While I might not know 100% for shure about the C'tan I am pretty shure that both Khorn and the Hive mind would be abel to take on every other entry sugested so far.

Gork ....aaand we're done


Non-Deity level it's more of a toss-up

I highly doubt that the Ork god would be stronger then Khorn the god of war and killing unending. It would be funn to see Gork vs the whole might of the hivemind however. That would be some funn houers to watch if it was possible to get a good vantage point to watch from.

He is

The ork gods are divine powerhouses, which the other Gods can't even hurt

That would be an awesome fight

It would be ab awesome fight, we agree on that. :-)

Gork or Mork would be a better opponent for Khorne as he is cunningly brutal. Mork or Gork is brutally cunning which would be a better match against Tzeentch.

The Hive Mind, as I read it, is a disembodied entity that exists only in the minds of the Tyranids. If it has a body of its own, it might be in a different galaxy altogether. That, or it manifests itself as the Swarmlord. The Swarmlord is very, very killy and shreddy though most of its opponents will probably have a hard time engaging it in combat as it regards the entire battle as more important than challenges of honor.