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Hey Dakka.
We all know there were originally 20 Primarchs, the 20 generals to lead the Emperor's armies to the deepest darkest corners of the infinite galaxy. We also know 2 of those have dissapeared from Imperial records and that there is no trace of them, the so-called 'Forgotten' and 'Lost'. There is a theory that one of these was subsumed by the Ultramarines, but I don't believe that, the Ultramarines were as big as they were due to the size of Ultramar. Well anyway, apparently each Primarch is the same as a star-sign, as mentioned by Horus towards the end of Horus Rising. Does anybody possibly know what Primarch is equal to what? I would love to see what two are left over for the 'Forgotten' and 'Lost' because a friend of mine is attempting the II and a thought occured to me involving the Legion army list and the XI, nothing much but it really did perk my interest. So if anybody could help it'd be much appreciated.

crimson

The only Reference was that Horus was Sagatarius. There was no mention what the other would be. Plus there are only 12 star signs. Alpharius and Omegon would most likely be Gemini.

 chaos girl wrote:
The only Reference was that Horus was Sagatarius. There was no mention what the other would be. Plus there are only 12 star signs. Alpharius and Omegon would most likely be Gemini.

Hmmm yeh ok. I do believe I may have passed a thread somewhere that listed all 18 known Primarchs and each had a star-sign, e.g. I think Russ was 'The Wolf' so it seems there's a few 40k unique star-signs in there. Thanks anyway, and yeh I could see Alpharius/Omegon being Gemini.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/251557.page

I think this is what you are looking for at least in a previous post

Ultimately, the problem with doing the II or the XI is that as the Horus Heresy novels have expanded, the existence of the II and XI as functional legions in the Great Crusade is getting smaller and smaller.

We know now that the II and XI were long gone, before the Emperor had even found all of the Primarchs. Corax, for example, never met them. So really, the Betrayal Book doesn't even cover the time period for the II and XI, because they would have been long, long gone even at that point.

It's hard to nail down exactly where/when they were decommissioned/destroyed/whatever, because there's no official fluff on them. But when you start doing the math, you realize they probably didn't make it too terribly far into the Great Crusade.

The order of Primarchs being discovered isn't entirely clear, but we know that if the II and XI Primarchs were gone before Corax was found, around half of the Primarchs might not have even met their brothers. The Emperor also tells Corax that many of his brothers have also been found, which suggests that he was found somewhere near the middle, and that the II and XI were gone even before that.

I get that people want to do something "different" or "unique" in 40K, but the Heresy setting doesn't really allow for it. One way is to take a specific company or "chapter" of the legions, and giving it unique heraldy. Kinda like what Apologist did with his "Praetors of Calth" Ultramarines.

We do know that Dorn, Lorgar, and perhaps Magnus and Sanguinius met them, though.

I don't think you can really match the Forgotten and Lost Legions to a constellation. If I remember correctly, there was a strong emphasis that the Emperor himself wiped these legions from the face of history, and considering the powers listed of this man, it is all-together possible in my mind that aside from wiping out these legions, he very well wiped out any associated attributes, so as to never give mention of them again.

Is there reference to Lorgar having actually known them? Because from I can tell, Lorgar was in the second half of Primarchs found.

Though, if that is the case, I think it may come back to the classic Black Library problem of not having enough cohesive editorial vision.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Is there reference to Lorgar having actually known them? Because from I can tell, Lorgar was in the second half of Primarchs found.

Though, if that is the case, I think it may come back to the classic Black Library problem of not having enough cohesive editorial vision.

In First Heretic, Lorgar clearly mourned the loss of his two brothers, and implied he knew more about them than he would have had he not been around when they were put down.

This link ( http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/251642.page ) is semi-related and very interesting.
Hope it helps.

Guys let me tell you what ADB said about missing primarchs week ago...."They are teasers" nothing more...and BL will never get out with info on them, because there isn't one.....

I am just curious for the sake of curiousness. I just wanted to see what possibilites there were for their personalities and how they might have ticked. Thanks for all the stuff though guys.

Actually I think they will drop hints here and there, but there is intentionally nothing solid about them...

Thats why you can have SM chapters that nobody has ANY clue where they came from, and it still makes some sense.

There are plenty of explanations for mysterious Chapters. The whole Cursed and Dark Foundings are easy for that.

The II and XI Legions aren't that explanation. We know for sure that they are gone. At one point, long long ago, the missing legions weren't so rigidly defined, but those days are long gone.